I meant in terms of Mass Effect 2 in and of itself. I don't think anyone would argue the failure of ME2 to advance the overarching plot. And yeah, the Collectors were handled poorly all the way around. Personally I wish the Reaper threat ended with ME1 and ME2 was about the Batarian Rebellion.
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#227
Posté 29 janvier 2015 - 08:42
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NWN, KOTOR and DA:O are turn based RPGs.
DA:I isn't. DA2 isn't too likely.
I partially forgot how Jade Empire gameplay was. I just remember the martial arts.
DA:O and DA2 are both RTwP. Their combat systems, despite what some people say, are also very similar.
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#228
Posté 29 janvier 2015 - 08:50
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What is this obsession with plot? Should a small plot game with great character developing and story expanded be considered garbage?
I prefer that to a great plot game that has mediocre characters and story elements. (Oblivion anyone!?)
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#229
Posté 30 janvier 2015 - 12:28
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NWN, KotOR and Dragon Age were turn based RPGs. Wow. Okay sure.
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Posté 30 janvier 2015 - 02:59
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Also, I have a problem with RPGS in general. In my opinion, I think they are too conservative. They have established systems already in place and their idea of improvement or complexity is throwing more variables at these systems to create a different flavor of an archaic construct that was already in place. Let us take turn based mechanics, it is like chess in a watered down state but with more information about the pawns. Turn based as a mechanic is robust and very easy to implement. I haven't seen any innovation with turn based mechanic when it comes to improving the mechanic. The improvements comes with introducing another layer that the systems responds to but not in the actual mechanic of how it works. In terms of A.I I don't even find it impressive. It is basically just an input and a response to that input by invoking certain rules. Given one of the beauties of these systems is that the rules are easily interchangeable and expanded upon but the core algorithm remains the same. Actually, you could even know the output or decision of an enemy actor if you have played them enough. Let us take a look at old infinity engine games, their idea of increasing difficulty is giving variable advantage of enemy characters. Which is kind of lazy to me but with such a system in place what more can you do?
I love rpgs they are my favorite genre but they are too afraid of change. Thus they usually end up with old archaic constructs translated to newer platforms. I mean look at the structure of the dialogue trees? How long have these people been using that same system for the dialogue tree.
Where is the contextual analysis? Where is the tracking of the previous dialogue choices? Variable changing responses? That is something for another day though.
Also, shadow of modor's system is one of the most impressive and well executed mechanics I have seen in a long time.
Indeed, it seems like most of gaming is retreading old solutions.
That's part of why I think games like The Force Unleashed, and ME1 or KotOR to an extent, are interesting, because they change your interaction with the world into something that's pretty unique in gaming.
it's the same idea as a destructable environment, but not nearly so much work (because it's mainly on enemy units, not on the setpieces).
#231
Posté 30 janvier 2015 - 03:12
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Oooh, could I list two. In that case. It would be GTA V and the Witcher. GTA just rubs me the wrong way. To me it just seems extremely sexist, racist, and homophobic. Sadly, any attempt to actually bring up this point is always brought up with the excuse that ¨NOONONONO, ITS A SATIRE deetadah¨. No, simply mocking something doesn't make it a satire, unless it has a point. For example, Family Guy vs South Park. Family Guy is just ¨LOOK AT THESE IDIOTS PUTTING THEIR HEADS IN JARS¨, while South Park is much more of ¨Why I do say dear chap, don't you think these fools should be putting their heads into fixing the economy, rahter than those dreadful jars, aha¨. Satire needs to have a point, than just a target.
Also, WItcher. WOrst fanbase ever. Same mysogony complaints, get anrgy taunting/homophobic slurs/ weird dream logic. First game has literal sex cards, and the 2nd has terrible female characters. They are A)Kidnapped and worthless, B)Won't have sex with you and evil, C)Randomly has sex with you, D)Stuffed into the Fridge, or E)Is a mccguffin. Not ok Cdredproject! That said they do do dlc and drm right.
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Posté 30 janvier 2015 - 03:13
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What is this obsession with plot? Should a small plot game with great character developing and story expanded be considered garbage?
I prefer that to a great plot game that has mediocre characters and story elements. (Oblivion anyone!?)
Wait, Im confused. You say it has a great plot, but then state it has a terrible sotry. Could you elaborate?
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Posté 30 janvier 2015 - 03:16
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Wait, Im confused. You say it has a great plot, but then state it has a terrible sotry. Could you elaborate?
Plot and story are two different things. Plot is the overarching structure of the game. Story is the actual detail. The plot of ME3 is that you gather allies to take back Earth. The story is what that entails--garnering Turian, Krogan, Quarian, and Asari support, fighting Cerberus, etc.
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Posté 30 janvier 2015 - 03:21
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Plot and story are two different things. Plot is the overarching structure of the game. Story is the actual detail. The plot of ME3 is that you gather allies to take back Earth. The story is what that entails--garnering Turian, Krogan, Quarian, and Asari support, fighting Cerberus, etc.
Fascinating (no sarcasm). I generally get those two confuse. Thanks for the clarification.
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Posté 30 janvier 2015 - 03:39
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Oooh, could I list two. In that case. It would be GTA V and the Witcher. GTA just rubs me the wrong way. To me it just seems extremely sexist, racist, and homophobic. Sadly, any attempt to actually bring up this point is always brought up with the excuse that ¨NOONONONO, ITS A SATIRE deetadah¨. No, simply mocking something doesn't make it a satire, unless it has a point. For example, Family Guy vs South Park. Family Guy is just ¨LOOK AT THESE IDIOTS PUTTING THEIR HEADS IN JARS¨, while South Park is much more of ¨Why I do say dear chap, don't you think these fools should be putting their heads into fixing the economy, rahter than those dreadful jars, aha¨. Satire needs to have a point, than just a target.
Also, WItcher. WOrst fanbase ever. Same mysogony complaints, get anrgy taunting/homophobic slurs/ weird dream logic. First game has literal sex cards, and the 2nd has terrible female characters. They are A)Kidnapped and worthless, B)Won't have sex with you and evil, C)Randomly has sex with you, D)Stuffed into the Fridge, or E)Is a mccguffin. Not ok Cdredproject! That said they do do dlc and drm right.
GTA is racist? Point it out so I can be offended for minorities everywhere.
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Posté 30 janvier 2015 - 03:41
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Fascinating (no sarcasm). I generally get those two confuse. Thanks for the clarification.
Yep.
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Posté 30 janvier 2015 - 03:53
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Oooh, could I list two. In that case. It would be GTA V and the Witcher. GTA just rubs me the wrong way. To me it just seems extremely sexist, racist, and homophobic. Sadly, any attempt to actually bring up this point is always brought up with the excuse that ¨NOONONONO, ITS A SATIRE deetadah¨. No, simply mocking something doesn't make it a satire, unless it has a point. For example, Family Guy vs South Park. Family Guy is just ¨LOOK AT THESE IDIOTS PUTTING THEIR HEADS IN JARS¨, while South Park is much more of ¨Why I do say dear chap, don't you think these fools should be putting their heads into fixing the economy, rahter than those dreadful jars, aha¨. Satire needs to have a point, than just a target.
Also, WItcher. WOrst fanbase ever. Same mysogony complaints, get anrgy taunting/homophobic slurs/ weird dream logic. First game has literal sex cards, and the 2nd has terrible female characters. They are A)Kidnapped and worthless, B)Won't have sex with you and evil, C)Randomly has sex with you, D)Stuffed into the Fridge, or E)Is a mccguffin. Not ok Cdredproject! That said they do do dlc and drm right.
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#238
Posté 30 janvier 2015 - 03:56
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GTA is racist? Point it out so I can be offended for minorities everywhere.
I don't know about racist but GTA IV committed the worst crime of all...
Spoiler
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#239
Posté 30 janvier 2015 - 04:10
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Plot and story are two different things. Plot is the overarching structure of the game. Story is the actual detail. The plot of ME3 is that you gather allies to take back Earth. The story is what that entails--garnering Turian, Krogan, Quarian, and Asari support, fighting Cerberus, etc.
This actually isn't what I was taught about the difference, but that might be attributable to the fact that I learned the definitions in Film School, as they pertained to film. I just assumed that those definitions would transfer to video games.
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Posté 30 janvier 2015 - 04:11
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This actually isn't what I was taught about the difference, but that might be attributable to the fact that I learned the definitions in Film School, as they pertained to film. I just assumed that those definitions would transfer to video games.
Please tell me your definitions, I may be wrong.
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Posté 30 janvier 2015 - 04:18
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the 2nd has terrible female characters. They are A)Kidnapped and worthless, B)Won't have sex with you and evil, C)Randomly has sex with you, D)Stuffed into the Fridge, or E)Is a mccguffin.
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Posté 30 janvier 2015 - 04:21
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Also, WItcher. WOrst fanbase ever. Same mysogony complaints, get anrgy taunting/homophobic slurs/ weird dream logic. First game has literal sex cards, and the 2nd has terrible female characters. They are A)Kidnapped and worthless, B)Won't have sex with you and evil, C)Randomly has sex with you, D)Stuffed into the Fridge, or E)Is a mccguffin. Not ok Cdredproject! That said they do do dlc and drm right.
It is almost as if you WANT to have bad taste.
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#243
Posté 30 janvier 2015 - 04:26
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Final Fantasy VII and Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. I greatly enjoyed both of them, they're highly influential to games that came after...
...but I'd never say they were 10 out of 10 games. Cus Reasons
...but I'd never say they were 10 out of 10 games. Cus Reasons
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#244
Posté 30 janvier 2015 - 04:27
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Please tell me your definitions, I may be wrong.
I'm certain the film ones are different from the literary definitions.
In film, plot refers to everything that occurs on screen, including non-story elements, like the credits, but not anything that occurs off-screen (which can include story.)
Story refers to everything that relates to the story, whether it appears on-screen, or not.
So... (thinking of a good example) in Star Wars, the opening scrawl would be both part of the plot, and part of the story, but the end credits would only be part of the plot.
The events leading up to Emperor Palpatine's disbanding of the senate would be part of the story, even though it happens off-screen.
It's a very technical distinction, and is definitely not the same as the older literary definition. But as to what would apply to video games - to be honest, I'm not sure (although I'm inclined to guess that the film definitions would be more transferable.)
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Posté 30 janvier 2015 - 04:28
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I almost replied to that first post but then I realized that there would be a dozen people trailing me doing it 
Hmm interesting.
Edit: it seems like there's a lot of conflicting information but here's this:
http://en.wikipedia....lot_(narrative)
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I'm certain the film ones are different from the literary definitions.
In film, plot refers to everything that occurs on screen, including non-story elements, like the credits, but not anything that occurs off-screen (which can include story.)
Story refers to everything that relates to the story, whether it appears on-screen, or not.
So... (thinking of a good example) in Star Wars, the opening scrawl would be both part of the plot, and part of the story, but the end credits would only be part of the plot.
The events leading up to Emperor Palpatine's disbanding of the senate would be part of the story, even though it happens off-screen.
It's a very technical distinction, and is definitely not the same as the older literary definition. But as to what would apply to video games - to be honest, I'm not sure (although I'm inclined to guess that the film definitions would be more transferable.)
Hmm interesting.
Edit: it seems like there's a lot of conflicting information but here's this:
http://en.wikipedia....lot_(narrative)
Wikipedia! The college student's friend and professor's greatest rival.
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Posté 30 janvier 2015 - 04:43
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I don't know about racist but GTA IV committed the worst crime of all...
Spoiler
Ain't that the truth. Its flaws became even more apparent when I played Saints Row 2 later in that release year.
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#247
Posté 30 janvier 2015 - 04:45
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"A game that everyone else seems to love" - Legend of Zelda series, it´s really ov-
It´s really overra-nnt-bafft pff-b.
No, I can´t do this.
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Posté 30 janvier 2015 - 05:04
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There's so much potential there for fully integrating the PC into the world instead of just being a limited (where they have to fill in the reactivity) avatar for the player.
I totally agree.
#249
Posté 30 janvier 2015 - 05:37
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Philippa is hawt. Hopefully Geralt can set her straight in the third game.
And contrary to the previous users' assertion, neither she or Sile are evil.
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#250
Posté 30 janvier 2015 - 05:37
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It is almost as if you WANT to have bad taste.
She should be in her late 30s / early 40s. Am I right?
Still good. Most women look good till 45, then they get old-ugly.
