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[DarkSun09]

Maybe I missed a detail somewhere, but I really don't understand that whole thing with meeting Fiona in Val Royeaux. Could someone explain it to me? We met her first at Val Royeaux, then later at Redcliffe. Buuuuut it wasn't really her because she was at Redcliffe the whole time... right? So was it a time travel thing? If so, who sent her to meet us, and how? Or did she use time magic herself so she could contact us? I thought only Alexius could mess with time. I really don't understand what happened... 

[Helmetto]

I imagine it was like...

 

Only Redcliffe was affected by time travel shenanigans. When Fiona returned to Redcliffe, area was hit with Time travel, therefore creating a seperate time stream and -

 

Or demons

 

Basically shitty writing.

[Dio Demon]

It's weird... Alexius created a paradox and two separate timelines and combined them. It seems the magic only affected Redcliffe.

 

There were two Fiona's at one point. One in Redcliffe from another timeline and one in the original timeline whom was erased from existence sometime after meeting the Inquisitor.

 

Or it could've just been a demon. Sorry Choice. Spirit.

[Feranel]

Wibbly wobbly timey wimey.

 

Alexius cast the spell to go back in time at Redcliff after Fiona met you. Apparently the time magic is initially localized and so you remember meeting her in Orlais but in Redcliff she never actually left.

[Dio Demon]

Basically shitty writing.

Not really. The time magic is supposed to be unstable and untested. So of course it would create weird things like time Fade Rifts, multiple timelines.

[actionhero112]

That whole time travel segment is honestly pretty confusing. 

 

She went to meet you to ally with the inquisition, Alexius traveled back in time, met with her, thus eliminating the future where she meets you. This is suppossedly why she doesn't recall meeting you, because to her it never happened, a completely different sequence of events occurred. 

 

I see what you mean, why can you remember meeting Fiona, but she can't? If Alexius altered time so that Fiona never came to meet you at Val Royeaux, then why can you remember the meeting? If it's because you bear the mark, then why can your party members recall the meeting? How far does the time travel reach, is it just around Redcliffe, or is it worldwide? If it's worldwide, as suggested by the plot then why is anyone surprised that Tevinter forces are in Redcliffe, as they've been there for several weeks?

 

It's pretty weird. I think it's kind of weak writing. 

 

I want a mod where all the lines that Alexius says are changed to, "Marty! We have to go back!"

 

My solution was to just to go to the templar sidequest. More Enterprise, less Voyager.

 

Though I love Captain Janeway. 

[Feranel]

 

My solution was to just to go to the templar sidequest. More Enterprise, less Voyager.

 

Though I love Captain Janeway. 

 

That's what the temple of Mythal is for.

 

Honestly, show me a time travel storyline in -any- fiction that doesn't contain paradoxes or plot inconsistencies, and I'll find at least 2.

 

Time travel stories only work when you don't think about them.

[Helmetto]

Not really. The time magic is supposed to be unstable and untested. So of course it would create weird things like time Fade Rifts, multiple timelines.

 

Yes, Time Magic is unstable and untested. Yes, it created weird time Fade Rifts.

 

Having two different time streams going on is never addressed again after you recruit the mages. It's like having Fiona showing up at Val Royeux has absolutely no effect on that time line and therefore would lead to a slightly different timeline than the one that occurs in Redcliffe. Eventually the timelines will fork into different directions, and therefore cause something really, really convoluted, or merge together, ignoring casualty.

 

Except nothing apparently happens or changes.

 

Shitty writing.

 

That's what the temple of Mythal is for.

 

Honestly, show me a time travel storyline in -any- fiction that doesn't contain paradoxes or plot inconsistencies, and I'll find at least 2.

 

Time travel stories only work when you don't think about them.

 

I'd argue Steins;Gate does a really good job at portraying Time Travel, but that's just me.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

I read it as a specific zone impact sort of thing because of what Dorian said about the limitations of the spell.  Instead of affecting the whole of Thedas, the time rifts Alexius used would only affect everyone at Redcliffe. Since he had brought the Venatori, he would be able to create a rift that big with their help. With the mage rebellion ensconced in the stronghold, there is little reason for them to make much contact outside.

[DarkSun09]

Oooh, I see. So she actually met with us first at Val Royeaux. But then sir dragon fruit went back in time and conscripted her, erasing the future where she met us. Thus, Fiona doesn't remember... which is fine. The inquisitor remembers.... but we can rationalize that as having to do with the ancor attached to her/his hand. And the only weird thing unaccounted for is why your party members also remembers... which we can chalk it up to bad writing. Oh, and the part where nothing else seems to be affected by that whole time traveling business... also a result of bad writing. Ok. Thanks guys. 

[actionhero112]

 

Honestly, show me a time travel storyline in -any- fiction that doesn't contain paradoxes or plot inconsistencies, and I'll find at least 2.

 

 

Sonic 06.

 

Flawless game with an amazing story about time traveling talking hedgehogs. 

 

I do better with time travel stories when there is stuff to distract me. Usually this is sex, explosions and Joseph Gordon Levitt. 

 

 

If you look closely this image has all 3. 

[Helmetto]

Sonic 06.

 

Get out. That's not even funny as a joke.

[Genuine UK]

i can't remember but was the inquisitor the only one who remember her at val royeaux when meeting here at red cliff, i don't think the other charecter acknowledged it, if so maybe the Anchor(Mark) protected the inquisitor from the change in time

[Eyes_Only]

I may be wrong but I believe I recall someone in the game saying it was not Fiona at all but a demon disguised as her to lure the inquisitor to Redcliffe. I can't recall who said this, or even where I encountered the dialog.

 

But I don't think it was Fiona that you meet.

[In Exile]

Yes, Time Magic is unstable and untested. Yes, it created weird time Fade Rifts.

 

Having two different time streams going on is never addressed again after you recruit the mages. It's like having Fiona showing up at Val Royeux has absolutely no effect on that time line and therefore would lead to a slightly different timeline than the one that occurs in Redcliffe. Eventually the timelines will fork into different directions, and therefore cause something really, really convoluted, or merge together, ignoring casualty.

 

Except nothing apparently happens or changes.

 

Shitty writing.

 

 

I'd argue Steins;Gate does a really good job at portraying Time Travel, but that's just me.

 

It's not supposed to be addressed. The magic is literally ripping reality apart. The whole point is that you get completely nonsensical paradoxes that seem to break reality because the magic isn't so much "time travel" in the conventional sense as it is "time fisting". Many portrayals of time travel try and come up with ways to explain how it can exist without tearing apart existence and not making sense. In DA:I, its tearing apart existence and for that reasons it makes no sense. 

[Examurai]

I may be wrong but I believe I recall someone in the game saying it was not Fiona at all but a demon disguised as her to lure the inquisitor to Redcliffe. I can't recall who said this, or even where I encountered the dialog.
 
But I don't think it was Fiona that you meet.

Same here. I thought it was some demon potraying her. Afterall Alexius wanted the Inquisitor there. Never thought of it as some paradox.

[Helmetto]

It's not supposed to be addressed. The magic is literally ripping reality apart. The whole point is that you get completely nonsensical paradoxes that seem to break reality because the magic isn't so much "time travel" in the conventional sense as it is "time fisting". Many portrayals of time travel try and come up with ways to explain how it can exist without tearing apart existence and not making sense. In DA:I, its tearing apart existence and for that reasons it makes no sense. 

 

It must have an internal logic and rules, because there are instances when it does have logic and rules. For instance, Alexius states that he can't travel back to save his family, or fix the events at the conclave, because that would create a timeline in which the powers themselves do not exist. You can't have them exist in one part and then completely not in others. You can't have rules and then pretend "its not suppose to make sense guys, totes random." 

 

If your answer to time travel is "lol I dunno randomz", you bet your ass it's **** writing. You're adding an entirely useless element when there are better things out there that

1) have way better internal consistency and don't have nearly as many implications

2) don't have your readers going 'but wait what'

3) don't have your characters going 'but wait what'

 

I wouldn't have such a problem if it weren't for the fact that Time Travel is the end all be all solution to a multitude of problems (which is why a lot of morals in time travel fiction is usually to accept things and move on because we're not supposed to be fixing things.) Why don't we use time travel to recruit the templars as well (since we know how that goes)? Why don't we use time travel powers to warn the others ahead of time that Cory is coming to wipe the floor with Haven? Why don't we use time travel powers when we realize to our wonderful surprise that the Lucius of Val Royeux was a demon? The only explanation we're given is "Well it'd tear the fade a new *******", and yet, given that there are absolutely 0 consequences for what Alexius did in Redcliffe, I'm not so inclined to believe that in the slightest.

[DarkSun09]

I may be wrong but I believe I recall someone in the game saying it was not Fiona at all but a demon disguised as her to lure the inquisitor to Redcliffe. I can't recall who said this, or even where I encountered the dialog.

 

But I don't think it was Fiona that you meet.

Oh, really? God, I don't recall that conversation at all. It would make a lot of sense if that was the case, though. I prefer this explanation over the whole time traveling thing, which isn't well-established and requires the players to assume a lot about what happened. Thanks, mate. 

[draken-heart]

Oooh, I see. So she actually met with us first at Val Royeaux. But then sir dragon fruit went back in time and conscripted her, erasing the future where she met us. Thus, Fiona doesn't remember... which is fine. The inquisitor remembers.... but we can rationalize that as having to do with the ancor attached to her/his hand. And the only weird thing unaccounted for is why your party members also remembers... which we can chalk it up to bad writing. Oh, and the part where nothing else seems to be affected by that whole time traveling business... also a result of bad writing. Ok. Thanks guys.

 

In regards tot he bold: I agree. Even if the magic itself only hits Redcliff, it's effects should expand to other places. IF Fiona never met in the inquisition, then the inquisition's companions should never remember the meeting. My crackpot theory is that Fiona got mind wiped when she returned to Redcliff, or simply acted dumb to avoid suspicion of us meeting her.

[TK514]

Given what we saw of Fiona, dumb wouldn't require acting.

I hate Time travel, so I prefer the Templars.

[IanPolaris]

Here's another possibility:  Fiona was Mind-Controlled with bloodmagic when she met the Inquisitor (since Alex really wants to lure the Inquisitor in).  IMHO that would also explain why Fiona doesn't remember and feels strange when it's brought up.

[Antergaton]

I've never understood it myself but if what you guys are claiming is true then that's worse. I just kinda ignored it and put it down to someone pretending to be Fiona. Best case, Dorian was using magic to make him look like her so he could get the Inquisitor there easier that some random Tevinter guy showing up.

 

Time travel is a funny thing but spoke to Fiona and then timetravel changed so you didn't is confusing and definitely not explained...

 

... so yeah, bad writing.

[Aimi]

Honestly, show me a time travel storyline in -any- fiction that doesn't contain paradoxes or plot inconsistencies, and I'll find at least 2.

I thought Caine's Law did an excellent job, mostly because it depicts the paradoxes as intrinsic to the concept of time travel and therefore a problem to be solved, rather than an unfortunate plot inconsistency to be swept under the rug.

[Antergaton]

 

Honestly, show me a time travel storyline in -any- fiction that doesn't contain paradoxes or plot inconsistencies, and I'll find at least 2.

 

Time travel stories only work when you don't think about them.

 

Marvel comics, each time someone time travels they jump one reality. No paradoxes can happen.  

[Recidiva]

This is how I think it goes:

 

Original Timeline:  Fiona meets the Inquisitor in Val Royeaux.

 

Second Timeline:  After the original timeline happened, Alexius goes to Redcliffe and goes back in time to before she goes to Val Royeaux, offering Fiona his deal before the Inquisition is well known at all, in order to lure the Inquisitor in.  The Fiona in that timeline has never met the Inquisitor.

 

Fiona doesn't need to forget anything.  The Inquisitor experienced the original timeline and then the later stages of the second timeline.  Only the people Alexius contacted and influenced changed.