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[C0uncil0rTev0s]

You know - I always liked both ME2 and DA2 for their pure companion focus. It isn't a "BIG BADASS STORY", yeah, but it's fine in it's own little way. And party banter always was a part of creating a charm about every companion. In DA2 it was genius. This. Genius.

 

Merrill - my fav - being cute:

 

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Merrill: Ser Pounce-a-lot... who knighted him?

Anders: Is that a serious question?

Merrill: Did he have a little sword, or just his claws? I bet he had a dashing cap with a feather in it!

Anders: Would you stop making fun of my cat?

Merrill: Oh... no hat, then?

 

Merrill: You must really like the Hawke family.

Aveline: Why do you say that?

Merrill: You came all the way from Lothering with them, didn't you? And they're not even your clan.

Aveline: Humans don't have clans, Merrill.

Merrill: Exactly! You came so far together, and you didn't even have a Keeper to make you get along.

Aveline: So your Keeper tells you to stop kicking each other, or she'll turn the aravel around?

Merrill: Sometimes she also warns us to stop pulling hair.

 

Merrill: I would like to know more about being a guard, Aveline.

Aveline: I don't think that's the job for you.

Merrill: I know, but it might help me not get caught.

Aveline: You probably shouldn't have said that part.

Merrill: Why?

Aveline: Just... never mind.

 

Merrill: Your armor is very shiny, Sebastian. Doesn't that make you an easier target?

Sebastian: The Light of the Maker is my armor, Merrill. I am not afraid.

Merrill: Maybe you could ask Him to make His Light less shiny? Then you wouldn't need as much armor. 

 

See? Both naive and cute. And kind. Emotionally engageable. That's the one side that comes with a character.

 

Another thing: banter was built to be continuous. Characters live their lives in the world, they're not dolls that are only alive when PC is near. They have debates on their own that work over time, things that bother them as if they were live people. It is what makes literature precious!

 

Spoiler

Anders: So, when you first did blood magic, it was... just an accident, right?

Anders: You cut yourself and realized the power? You didn't actually deal with a demon?

Merrill: Oh, no. I did.

Anders: Why would you do that?

Merrill: I needed his help. He was really very nice about it.

Anders: Of course he was! He's using you to get a foothold in a mortal brain!

Merrill: He's a spirit. He offered me his aid. I hardly think you're one to criticize.

 

Anders: Maybe you don't really understand the difference between spirits and demons.

Merrill: Did I ask you?

Anders: Spirits were the first children of the Maker, but He turned his back on them to dote on His mortal creations.

Anders: The ones who resented this became demons, driven to take everything mortals had and gain back the Maker's favor.

Merrill: Your "Maker" is a story you humans use to explain the world.

Merrill: We have our own stories. I don't need to borrow yours. 

 

Anders: Do Dalish honestly not recognize the difference between demons and beneficial spirits?

Merrill: We've never thought of the Fade as the home of our gods.

Merrill: It is another realm, another people's home. No different or more foreign than, say, Orzammar.

(If Varric is in the party)

Varric: You can say that again.

Anders: But have you never studied the types of demons? They break down very clearly into different sins—

Merrill: Spirits differ from each other, just as you and Hawke and Isabela are all human.

Merrill: More or less...

 

Anders: You must join us. Do you see that now? You must stand with Kirkwall's mages.

Merrill: It's not my fight.

Anders: You can't hide in Sundermount.(If the Dalish were killed during A New Path)

Anders: Your clan is dead.(Otherwise)

Anders: There is no place for you among the Dalish.

Merrill: No! My clan is all I ever cared about! Everything I did, I did for them!

Anders: On second thought, maybe don't try to help us.

 

Merrill: You really believe don't you?

Anders: What are we talking about?

Merrill: Believing. You do I can tell, in freedom, in mages, in good spirits and bad templars. With more fire than the sun.

Anders: And your point is?

Merrill: I miss it sometimes, things being certain.

Anders: Some things are certain.

Merrill: Not anymore.

 

So banter was both continuous, live, and describing the companions once. And still it isn't everything about banter as it was. Banter was highly dependant on player's choices every when companions discuss situation with a choice.

 

Spoiler

Merrill: Aveline, what's in your mirror?

Aveline: What do you mean?

Merrill: In your mirror. What do you see?

Aveline: A warrior. A wife. All the mistakes I made to get here and make it right.

Aveline: Why? What have you decided to see?

(If after A New Path and Merrill decided to break the Eluvian)

Merrill: My mirror is broken. But I think... I think I see good things.

Merrill: Maybe a headband...

(If after A New Path and Merrill did not break the Eluvian)

Merrill: Demons. And... cracks.

(Otherwise)

Merrill: Sometimes it's hard to tell. Cracks, mostly.

Merrill: Maybe I'll borrow yours sometime. If that's all right?

Aveline: It's all right.

 

3 choices voiced.

 

Aveline: I didn't expect you to stick around for this mess Merrill. This has nothing to do with your elves.

(If Hawke is romancing Merrill)

Merrill: I love Hawke, I wouldn't go anywhere.

Aveline: But it's not your fight.

Merrill: I love Hawke.

Aveline: You said that.

Merrill: I say it a lot. It makes things clearer, takes away doubt when everything is crazy and people are dying.

Aveline: I understand.

Merrill: Oh, good. Someone should.

(If not romanced)

Merrill: Everything affects everything. We were born, a bunch of things happened, and now we're in a mess with our friends.

Aveline: That seems too simple.

Merrill: Simple is good. It sneaks up on you, makes you smile.

Merrill: Maybe that should be enough once in a while.

Aveline: Simple it is.

(If after A New Path)

Aveline: That seems too simple.

Merrill: Simple is good. It sneaks up on you, makes you smile.

Merrill: Or it says "Hey over there!" And kills with a pin.

Aveline: Merrill?

Merrill: Simple Aveline. Not stupid.

 

3 ways again. Romanced/Not romanced/Not romanced and after completing a quest)

 

(If Hawke and Merrill are in a romance in Act 2)

Bethany: You're a cute couple. Do you have pet names?

(If Hawke has a diplomatic personality)

Hawke: That's a little awkward.

Bethany: Only if it's true, and I think I have my answer.

Merrill: I missed something again, didn't I?

(If Hawke has a humorous/charming personality)

Hawke: What, like Little Griffin and Baby Dragon?

Merrill: Oh, definitely a Griffin! You can't really pet a dragon, can you? They're all scaly.

Bethany: I'm kind of sorry for asking.

(If Hawke has an aggressive personality)

Hawke: No.

Bethany: You do!

Hawke: Not your business.

Merrill: I missed something again, didn't I?

 

3 choices again, based on the most used personality dialogue lines.

 

Developers used to be making jokes about their poor design choices. Ones went into voicing in the very base game, ones came later with a Community feedback:

 

Spoiler

Merrill: It's so exciting to be out of Kirkwall! It seems we haven't left there in ages!

Hawke:

(If Hawke has a diplomatic/helpful personality) We go to lots of places.

(If Hawke has a humorous/charming personality) We do seem to spend a ridiculous amount of time in the city.

(If Hawke has an aggressive/direct personality) I suppose.

Merrill: I needed this break. I was starting to think every part of Kirkwall looked alike.

 

(In the dungeons)

Merrill: Oh, caves! I like caves!

Hawke: No, you don't, Merrill.

Merrill: Oh, right! Giant creepy spiders and things live in caves! What is it I'm thinking of, then? Ruins?

 

Merrill: Aveline? Remember how you told me to tell you if I noticed anything peculiar?

Merrill: Well, we've passed the same cracked floor tile nine times now.

Aveline: We've been walking in circles and you only tell me now?

Merrill: I wasn't sure. Maybe there are a lot of tiles broken in exactly the same way!

 

Merrill: How come you never get lost?

Hawke: I do. Sometimes.

Merrill: I've never seen it! And everybody follows you, and you always seem to know where you're going.

Hawke: Just act like you know where you're going, that's usually enough.

Merrill: I try that sometimes! But there's no amount of confidence that makes up for walking into the Grand Cleric's airing cupboard.

Hawke: What about that time I led us in circles around the Wounded Coast for 3 hours?

Merrill: Oh! I thought you were just admiring the view! Eh, it was a lovely day at least.

 

Most pressing problems of DA2 - repetitive content and level design, and weird Wounded Coast level design - are there. Now go, find ANY pressing problems of DA:I in the banter. Funny, isn't it?

 

Now I gouess I need to draw a line:

 

Long, long ago in a far, far away land named DA2 there were characters that acted like live persons. They had their motivations, their own morals, their personal POV on the world and events around them, things that were bothering them along the time passed. They were even engaging discussions about those things, which progressed over time. Their personality was revealed not only in long bla-bla talks in Skyhold, but in daily, mundane situations, too. Called party banter.

 

How about a magic trick, huh?

 

*Places DA:I copy on the table*

 

TADA! It's gone...

[Biotic Flash Kick]

the wicked grace scene seem so broken and forced especially if you game got choppy and you needed to press x to get to the next person 

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

And Varric? That guy used to be a genius writer back at Kirkwall. He used to be acting like that. Look at these lines:

 

Spoiler

Merrill: Do your stories ever have griffons in them?

Varric: Kind of tricky because they're extinct. You can work a griffon attack into a town but it takes skill.

Merrill: I was thinking more like... heroic griffons. The sort that swoop in and save the day.

Varric: Daisy, haven't you heard? Swooping is bad.

Merrill: Oh.

Varric: I could do heroic charging, though. You want me to call him "Feathers"?

Merrill: Yes! And make him extra fluffy!

 

Merrill: Am I in your stories Varric?

Varric: Daisy, everyone is fair game for my stories.

Merrill: I never hear any stories with me in them! What sorts of things do I do?

Varric: Well, you get lost a lot. You wind up in the middle of a dog racing track in Darktown. Or in the viscount's bathing room.

Merrill: So they're true stories?

Varric: Daisy, I could never make that stuff up. Nobody would believe it.

 

Merrill: You remind me of Hahren Paivel, Varric. Only younger. And shorter. And not as serious.

Varric: So it's a close resemblance, then.

Merrill: Well, he tells stories. And you tell stories. Although none of his begin, "No ****, there I was."

Varric: I'll have to give him some better stories, then.

 

Merrill: Thank you very much for the help earlier, Varric!

Varric: You made it back to the Alienage in one piece, then?

Merrill: I don't know how I wound up in Darktown. There are just too many corners in Kirkwall.

Varric: Still got that ball of twine?

Merrill: I left it at my house. Don't worry! I won't get lost while we're following Hawke.

Varric: Bring it next time, Daisy. Just in case.

 

Varric: Daisy, for my sake, please quit cutting through the alleys in Lowtown alone at night.

Merrill: Nothing ever happens. I'm perfectly safe, Varric.

Varric: Yes, I know. And that nothing is costing me a fortune.

 

Varric: So, I hear you've been visiting the viscount's garden, Daisy.

Merrill: They're enormous! And they're always empty. Why don't more people go to see them?

Varric: Probably because they're private and surrounded by guards.

Merrill: I thought all those men looked a bit cross.

 

(If you complete Family Matter)

Merrill: I'm sorry about your brother, Varric. Have you any other family?

Varric: (Snorts) I have family like a rat has fleas, Daisy.

Merrill: Does that mean you have a lot of family, or that they make you itch a lot?

Varric: Both.

(Alternatively)

Varric: I'm sure any priest who would pray for Bartrand would burst into flames.

Merrill: Oh, I didn't know priesthood was so dangerous.

Varric: Don't worry Daisy, the chantry keeps a lot of water on hand.

 

Varric: Why a mirror?

Merrill: I don't understand the question.

Varric: If your people were going to make a magical whatever for talking to each other, why choose a mirror?

Varric: Do elves spend a lot of time talking to their own reflections?

Merrill: I suppose the ancient elves would have felt silly talking to a wardrobe or an urn. 

 

Even. ******. Philosophies!

 

Merrill: How do you do it, living in the city without picking a side? Doesn't it matter to you?

Varric: Of course it does. That's why I don't take sides.

Merrill: That doesn't make any sense.

Varric: I've got you and Aveline, Fenris and Anders. Hawke. Isabela.

Varric: I've got friends in the Circle and drinking buddies in the templars. All of them matter.

Merrill: But you're going to fight. If it comes to that, I mean.

Varric: I fought my own brother, Daisy. Nobody said this was going to be happy story.

 

How, how did we end like that in DA:I? It isn't Varric.

[Wolfie]

I have no banter.  Hours of silence.  I was so looking forward to update fixing this.  Did not happen.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

I have no banter.  Hours of silence.  I was so looking forward to update fixing this.  Did not happen.

Well I don't know if it is a bug but my banter ran off at the very start, in Hinterlands. Maybe if so much people are experiencing this there's simply no banter?

 

[Cespar]

Some people get the banter bug and others don't. Patch 3 should had increase the chance of banter. 

 

The party banter in Inquisition is way better than 2. 

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Some people get the banter bug and others don't. Patch 3 should had increase the chance of banter. 

 

The party banter in Inquisition is way better than 2. 

Yeah?
Please give me an example of anything that can be even on par with the lines I've cited?

[Keitaro57]

Yeah?
Please give me an example of anything that can be even on par with the lines I've cited?

Well, I don't have a lot of banter but I remember one that I get early one (one of my very rare banter I get).

 

Varric : So! Who is the toughest in the Inquisition?

Solas : What?

Varric : Josephine, Lelliana or Cassandra?

Solas : Cullen doesn't run for the title?

Varric : Curly? Nah, he is here only for the show!

Cassandra : I'm here, you know...

Varric : You still run for the title!

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Well, I don't have a lot of banter but I remember one that I get early one (one of my very rare banter I get).

 

Varric : So! Who is the toughest in the Inquisition?

Solas : What?

Varric : Josephine, Lelliana or Cassandra?

Solas : Cullen doesn't run for the title?

Varric : Curly? Nah, he is here only for the show!

Cassandra : I'm here, you know...

Varric : You still run for the title!

 

Nothing even remotely comparable to Varric's gentle jokes of DA2, it's jestering and not a humor. Remember his 'invisible shops'?

[Cespar]

Yeah?
Please give me an example of anything that can be even on par with the lines I've cited?

You cited like a million of them. I like a lot of the Varric/Cassandra or Cassandra/Cole, but I can only remember one I just had.

 

Spoiler

Varric: Seriously? Sword & shield? How did you find that serial? Scrape it off the bottom of a barrel in Dust Town?

Cassandra: It was research! I… thought I might learn more about the champion.

Varric: I did write a book about the Champion. You might remember it. Had you knife stuck through it. Last I saw.

Cassandra: I'd already read that one twice. 

[Keitaro57]

Nothing even remotely comparable to Varric's gentle jokes of DA2, it's jestering and not a humor. Remember his 'invisible shops'?

The main problem lies in the fact I don't have a lot of banter of DAI.

 

As long the party remain silent, I don't have enough material to start a comparaison.

[Cespar]

Just got another one…. Cole/Cassandra

 

Spoiler

Cole: Warden-Commander Clarel wasn't like you, Cassandra.

Cassandra: Thank you, Cole… I think.

Cole: She fell because she fell. That's how Erimond convinced her to hurt people. He made it look like bravery.

Cole: She called it a choice, but it was lie, She was afraid. 

Cole:You aren't afraid. You won't fall. 

Cassandra: Thank, you, Cole. I appreciate that.

Cassandra: What of Magister Erimond? Do you sense a secret pain in him?

Cole:No, Erimond is an *******.

Cassandra: (Laughs.) Well said. 

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

The main problem lies in the fact I don't have a lot of banter of DAI.

 

As long the party remain silent, I don't have enough material to start a comparaison.

Same here. But I doubt it's a bug they've fixed third time already. I think that's all banter we have.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Just got another one…. Cole/Cassandra

 

Spoiler

Cole: Warden-Commander Clarel wasn't like you, Cassandra.

Cassandra: Thank you, Cole… I think.

Cole: She fell because she fell. That's how Erimond convinced her to hurt people. He made it look like bravery.

Cole: She called it a choice, but it was lie, She was afraid. 

Cole:You aren't afraid. You won't fall. 

Cassandra: Thank, you, Cole. I appreciate that.

Cassandra: What of Magister Erimond? Do you sense a secret pain in him?

Cole:No, Erimond is an *******.

Cassandra: (Laughs.) Well said. 

That was supposed to be funny or sort of philosophy?

[Cespar]

That was supposed to be funny or sort of philosophy?

Philosophy, and then funny at the end. Tone of voice is the key. 

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Philosophy, and then funny at the end. Tone of voice is the key. 

No offense, but it's secondary. Utterly secondary.

Have you ever tried fantasy classics like 'the Chronicles of Amber'?

[Rawgrim]

I get some banter, but no music.

[AlexiaRevan]

Hum...

 

I think one of the thing that DAI couldve used from DA2 would be the system of Friend/Rival . As well as a more defined tone for your Inquisitor (especially considering we had more Emotions icons on the dialogue Wheel) . 

 

Instead the Inquisitor come out boring no matter what reply you pick . And there is no Rival/Friend System so that cut on trying a new playtrough to see how they will react if ya do it differently . Wasted potential . 

[dirk5027]

Banter in DAO and DA2 was ridiculously clever and entertaining, DAI however a 12 year old could have done better, very sad and disappointing

[SporkFu]

Hum...

I think one of the thing that DAI couldve used from DA2 would be the system of Friend/Rival . As well as a more defined tone for your Inquisitor (especially considering we had more Emotions icons on the dialogue Wheel) .

Instead the Inquisitor come out boring no matter what reply you pick . And there is no Rival/Friend System so that cut on trying a new playtrough to see how they will react if ya do it differently . Wasted potential .

I'd have loved a return of the friendship/rivalry system from DA2! Sera's romance begs for it if you're playing an elf inquisitor.... Also, I dislike basing my decisions on who will like it and who won't sometimes.

[Fast Jimmy]

Wow. It seems after dividing the fanbase with DA2, they've divided it even further with DA:I.


I guess that's the problem when you try to re-invent your franchise every game and have simply zero sense of brand identity.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Wow. It seems after dividing the fanbase with DA2, they've divided it even further with DA:I.


I guess that's the problem when you try to re-invent your franchise every game and have simply zero sense of brand identity.

They didn't truly 'divide' the fanbase with DA:I. They've scared some of the fanbase off.

[Xhaiden]

One word: Inquisibutt.

[Fast Jimmy]

They didn't truly 'divide' the fanbase with DA:I. They've scared some of the fanbase off.

Yeah, that seems believable to me.