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[The Devlish Redhead]

OK I use my PC nearly every day for the internet, games, even watching DVDs, bluray disks.

What I want to know is this.

Is my regular mechanical hard drive good for regular all day usage or is an SSD just as good?

Pros and cons for each?

[Kantr]

Use the ssd for the os and a few games. Regular hardrive for everything else.

 

SSD's are fast but low in storage and not cheap.

 

Although there are hybrid drives

[The Devlish Redhead]

Use the ssd for the os and a few games. Regular hardrive for everything else.

 

SSD's are fast but low in storage and not cheap.

 

Although there are hybrid drives

 

Are hybrid drives any good though? They feel like some kind of frankendrive

[Deathangel008]

Are hybrid drives any good though? They feel like some kind of frankendrive

i wouldnt buy one of them, rather one SSD and one HDD, if needed.

pro SSD: much faster than a HDD, absolutley noiseless
contra SSD: much more expensive than HDDs

[Aaleel]

I have a SSD but at this point they're still a luxury item and not a necessity for having a good system.

 

I'd spend the extra money on something else in your system.  You can get a lot more CPU or GPU for the difference between a SSD and a SATA drive, and you're probably still going to need a SATA drive anyway so the SSD is just an extra.  

 

If you're playing a game would want to be able to play the game on higher settings or have faster loading times for example if you put the money into a GPU and not a SSD.

 

I guess I'm saying don't cut back on something like a CPU or GPU to have a SSD.  If you can afford to get it all, then go for it, but SSDs are a luxury item IMHO.  

 

Also if you get a SSD get a good one, not some budget one, larger size.  SSD degrade the more you write to them, the larger the drive the slower this process.  Only put the OS and the applications on the SSD, store your files on a SATA drive, which was why I said you'll need one of those anyway.  

 

I would read up on them though before you buy one.

[The Devlish Redhead]

I have a SSD but at this point they're still a luxury item and not a necessity for having a good system.

 

I'd spend the extra money on something else in your system.  You can get a lot more CPU or GPU for the difference between a SSD and a SATA drive, and you're probably still going to need a SATA drive anyway so the SSD is just an extra.  

 

If you're playing a game would want to be able to play the game on higher settings or have faster loading times for example if you put the money into a GPU and not a SSD.

 

I guess I'm saying don't cut back on something like a CPU or GPU to have a SSD.  If you can afford to get it all, then go for it, but SSDs are a luxury item IMHO.  

 

Also if you get a SSD get a good one, not some budget one, larger size.  SSD degrade the more you write to them, the larger the drive the slower this process.  Only put the OS and the applications on the SSD, store your files on a SATA drive, which was why I said you'll need one of those anyway.  

 

I would read up on them though before you buy one.

 

 

Thanks will do.

 

I thought the issue with constant writes is really a non issue. Some brands claiming 30 years if used the same way you use a normal drive.....

[Deathangel008]

I thought the issue with constant writes is really a non issue. Some brands claiming 30 years if used the same way you use a normal drive.....

most SSDs are good for several 100 TB of writing. should be enough

[Fidite Nemini]

SSD for OS or very loading/writing intensive utilities, HDD for everything that you simply need lots of data capacity for.

 

There's no point in storing music, etc. on a SSD for example. It won't load substantially faster than compared to any decent HDD, and whilst SSDs with high data capacities are now starting to get affordable they are still ridiculously expensive compared to HDDs.

 

A couple of the bigger games can be sped up a good chunk by loading them from a SSD, but they won't run any better, just load up faster.

 

 

Basically, if you want to get a SSD and have a little room for juggling a couple GBs get a 240-256GB SSD, after you put your OS and other assorted system programs on it, you should have enough space left to put one or two big games on it, for everything else a HDD offers much, much, MUCH better value. Or get a 480-512GB one if you really want some headroom and got the money to spend on it. But if you want to store a huge library of music, movies, etc. pp., 1+TB HDDs are your best friend.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I have 3 rams (2x2GB + 1x4GB), 2 HDDs (older: Seagate, newer: WD green. the older is crappier) and 1 Samsung SSD. It seems my system has confusion in transferring Data between drives.

So the Maxim of today is:

 

Never put more than 2 rams and 2 Drives (1 SSD + 1 HDD) on your PC.

 

I suggest a 120~250 SSD drive plus a 3 or 4 TB HDD (Western Digital Red and Purple are expensive and good)

[Deathangel008]

So the Maxim of today is:

 

Never put more than 2 rams and 2 Drives (1 SSD + 1 HDD) on your PC.

lol

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

lol

 

They let me down, OK?

[Deathangel008]

They let me down, OK?

its just the thing that there are tons of people who have 4 or more RAMs in their computer (i btw have 4 too), and also tons of people who have much more than 2 HDDs/SSDs and dont have problems with that at all.

[Fidite Nemini]

I have 3 rams (2x2GB + 1x4GB), 2 HDDs (older: Seagate, newer: WD green. the older is crappier) and 1 Samsung SSD. It seems my system has confusion in transferring Data between drives.

So the Maxim of today is:

 

Never put more than 2 rams and 2 Drives (1 SSD + 1 HDD) on your PC.

 

I suggest a 120~250 SSD drive plus a 3 or 4 TB HDD (Western Digital Red and Purple are expensive and good)

 

 

As long as you mainboard comes with enough SATA connectors (or Thunderbolt, or M2 depending on what your drives use), you can put as much drives into your system as you've got connectors.

 

I do however find your RAM configuration interesting. 2x 2GB + 1x 4GB isn't exactly optimal. What you want is a symmetrical configuration based on how your CPU/mainboard handles RAM (most current combinations are dual channel and quad channel for the enthusiast ones, triple channel went out of date with the X58 chipset).

[Taliryn]

heh, my entire system is just SSD's (death to the mechanical drive!)

I do have a 5TB external USB3 drive, I guess that counts.

gaming and load intensive programs (like adobe) benefit the most from SSD. 

even so, a SSD will still be the slowest throughput device in a PC

 

[Endurium]

After fine-tuning my PC for gaming and whatnot, here's what I settled on for the current build:

 

OS (C:) is a 256GB SSD

Modern Gaming (D:) is a 1TB SSD

DOSBOX Gaming, mods, music, etc. (E:) is a 1TB HDD carried over from former PC configuration

 

Having SSD on the OS guarantees really fast startups and snappy OS performance. I let MS Office, PowerDVD, and other larger apps install to C: as well.

 

Putting modern games on an SSD really helps with load times and read accesses for spawns, meshes, and whatnot. Mostly removes one source of lag in games.

 

Everything on the HDD is not heavily influenced by modern drive performance, or is data that would only clog up the SSD. This includes Steam (games go on D:), Origin (games on D:), and other front-ends. I keep minor game-related apps on this drive. Stuff I used to keep in My Documents is now kept on E: and My Documents is used solely by games for save files and whatnot. I have zero personal stuff on C:.

[bmwcrazy]

Get both.

I wouldn't recommend hybrid drives either as using SSD for HDD caching kills it pretty quickly.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

SSD for OS or very loading/writing intensive utilities, HDD for everything that you simply need lots of data capacity for.

This, in a nutshell.

An SSD for the Operating System greatly reduces start up and shut down times, while games and applications load much faster (load, not run - you won't get an fps boost but you'll have decreased loading times).

Beyond that, you'd better off having a large capacity mechanical drive to store data that doesn't benefit from faster write/read speeds (movies, music, etc).

I use a 240gb SSD for the OS, vital applications (Photoshop, VideoStudio) and half a dozen "priority" games, depending on what I'm playing at the time.

Then I have a 1TB hard drive for the bulk of my games, data, downloads and the like.

Finally, I've got a 2TB hard drive exclusively for recording and editing videos/podcasts since uncompressed file size pre-handbrake gets stupidly large.

I won't claim my setup is optimal for you OP, but SSD for OS and a few programs/games + mechanical HDD for the rest is the best price/performance configuration for most users.

Also, Arian, you theoretically shouldn't have problems with that setup, but your RAM configuration is unorthodox. Ideally, you'd have a RAM configuration equal or double to your motherboard's specs with RAM of identical size (and timing/frequency, though that can be manually enforced through BIOS).

I.E, a dual channel motherboard (which is the majority of consumer grade boards) should have 2 or 4 sticks of RAM that are identical in capacity, a triple channel motherboard would have 3/6 RAM sticks, a quad channel motherboard would have 4/8, etc.

[The Devlish Redhead]

OK instlal the OS onto the SSD but how do I move folders like "My documents" and "My music" to the mechanical hard drive instead as those folders contain a lot of media which I don't need on the SSD? Can those locations be changed form the C:/ drive easily?

 

Can "program files" and "program files x86" folders also be relocated?

[Fidite Nemini]

Anything that isn't actually installed on your PC is simple data that can be moved without issues. You can also move installed programs if you work on your PC's registry, though its much easier to uninstall and then reinstall in the wanted drive.

 

However, do not move folders that contain installed data.

 

 

 

Do not move the program files folder! That one is tied to your OS and moving it would mess up your PC royally unless you carefully work out your registry!

[The Devlish Redhead]

Anything that isn't actually installed on your PC is simple data that can be moved without issues. You can also move installed programs if you work on your PC's registry, though its much easier to uninstall and then reinstall in the wanted drive.

 

However, do not move folders that contain installed data.

 

 

 

Do not move the program files folder! That one is tied to your OS and moving it would mess up your PC royally unless you carefully work out your registry!

 

 

A lot of programs tend to dump themselves into that folder and often don't give you an option to change destination folders..... That's why I asked about relocation?

 

Games are notorious for this and some games, not all don't give you the option of changing location..

[Fidite Nemini]

Long story short, pretty much everything in that folder is installed on your PC and can't be moved without modifying a couple things. Better leave it be until you've read up on advanced use, modifying registry keys, etc. pp..

 

If you have a program that doesn't let you decide where to install it to, it's most likely an extension to an already existing program located in that folder. I am no expert, but firsthand experience says that nearly every program I chose to install on my PC the last couple years offered me the option to install it in a directory of my choosing (make sure to use advanced/custom installation if you can select it, the standard/basic installation will almost always just dump it into the program files folder). At the very least I haven't had a game all that time that I couldn't install where I wanted it. If you're installing those through other programs like Steam or Origin, check their application settings, they allow you to select a custom standard installation folder (otherwise they will too just dump it ont the program files folder).

 

 

My advice is, don't touch the program files folder. That's a hornets' nest to play with.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I do have a 5TB external USB3 drive, I guess that counts.
 

 

Huh?

I haven't seen anything with more size than 2 TB in our Computer Markets.