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I've long wondered if the world of Dragon Age could take place in the same universe as Mass Effect, and it was that pondering that really got me thinking on the subject of whether or not qunari were actually aliens. I know this sounds strange, but bear with me (and keep in mind that when I say 'qunari,' I mean the people with horns rather than those that follow the Qun).

 

Reason 1: Using our planet as an example (since it's the only known planet with an example of life to work off of), it is fairly clear that there can really only be one dominant race at a time.

 

There may be many rival races vying for power and control (humans, elves, dwarves), but eventually only one will emerge victorious (humans). In Thedas, human numbers are strong while dwarf population is in a terrible decline. The same can be said of elves, although their situation differs somewhat from the dwarves. Either way, humans are the ones that are definitely prospering while their counterparts suffer. Qunari seem to be exempt from this rule, however, which doesn't make sense based on what we know of our own planet. They are an incredibly strong and formidable force that show no signs of slowing down. As a side note, this also seems to be true in Mass Effect: nearly every planet has only one dominant race on it.

 

 

Reason 2: Humans, elves, and dwarves are all pretty similar to one another despite the diversity of each race. They definitely do have their differences between them, but they certainly have more in common with one another than they do with the qunari. Why are the qunari so different from them, then?

 

Qunari do not really share any traits with the other races outside of pointed ears and being bipedal. They also lack diversity. Qunari are all supposed to have eyes of the same color, and the hair on their heads is meant to be white. And, unlike any other known race in Thedas, they have horns. Qunari claim this is because of their "dragon blood," but is that is hardly more plausible than them being from another world. Going back to Mass Effect again: most of the alien races in the game also lack diversity, with only slight color variations.

 

 

Reason 3: Qunari practice selective breeding.

 

They say it's for job purposes, but it might also be in part because of reason 2. Maybe they are all so similar to one another because they have a fairly small gene pool? Perhaps this is why they are so conscious of who is paired with who- to prevent a bottleneck in the population?

 

 

Reason 4No one knows where they came from.

 

We know that they came from somewhere in Thedas, but nothing much more specific than that. It's also theorized that they have not had contact with the "mainland" for quite some time. Could it be that they may be the surviving spawn of an alien ship that crashed on the planet some time ago? A divide in their ranks might mean that part of the survivors of the crash went one way while the rest stayed put, and perhaps it is those that stayed put on "the mainland" that died. Could this be why the qunari no longer have contact with them? If they did come from a crashed ship, this may also be another reason why #3 is so important to them.

 

 

Reason 5: Qunari mages don't really enter the Fade.

 

They're seen there sometimes, it's true, but qunari claim that the Fade is a very different place from the one humans and elves enter. This seems to be true, as human and elf mages report that qunari are very rarely encountered in the Fade. And yet qunari get their magic from somewhere, don't they? Where would that be, if not from some special Fade-like place that only they can access? If only they can access it, why would that be?

 

 

Reason 6: Their technology is advanced and of a different 'sort' than the other races.

 

Each race can build some pretty awesome stuff, and although it is said that the dwarves are the most technologically advanced, the qunari create things of an entirely different caliber. They have black powder, which means it's likely they have cannons. Iron Bull's original concept art also shows him with what is basically a gun, which means that the qunari probably have firearms in their near future if they don't have them already. Dwarves have yet to figure out how to make black powder. They have clocks and golems instead, which isn't really the same sort of technology, I'd say, as what the qunari are producing. Is it possible that their advances are relics of their alien past? Assuming they did crash land on the planet Thedas, it's possible that much of their original technology was lost and forgotten over the generations. Cannons and warships and guns could just be the scary leftovers.

 

 

These are just some of the reasons I was able to think up in favor for the idea, but I'm sure more will eventually come to me. Anyway, what do you guys think? Does it still sound crazy and impossible?

 



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I think I would say its just .. unnecessary.    

 

Personally, I am not a fan of crossing the fantasy/science fiction boundary.     I love fantasy and I love science fiction, but I don't like them mixed together.


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I have always softly head cannon the idea thaf Jade Empire and Dragon Age share the same universe with JE taking place in the future and DA being in the past.
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If I remember correctly there is a Krogan head mounted on a wall somewhere in game ill see if i can find the screen shot lol

 

http://gamerant.com/...ect-easter-egg/


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If I remember correctly there is a Krogan head mounted on a wall somewhere in game ill see if i can find the screen shot lol

 

http://gamerant.com/...ect-easter-egg/

That's actually pretty funny. :P



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I have always softly head cannon the idea thaf Jade Empire and Dragon Age share the same universe with JE taking place in the future and DA being in the past.

I've thought of something like that, though it doesn't really work.

 

To answer the OP, I don't think they necessarily are. They are simply exotic and different.



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If I remember correctly there is a Krogan head mounted on a wall somewhere in game ill see if i can find the screen shot lol

 

http://gamerant.com/...ect-easter-egg/

 

And there are Dragon Age references in Kasumi's loyalty mission in ME2. An Ogre, for example.


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I always had this inkling that the Qunari were the outcome of Tevinter experiments on dragons gone wrong. Don't know why I keep thinking that...

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I don't think they are, no. I can't prove it, but my gut tells me that's a sci-fi/fantasy line that BioWare isn't going to cross in Dragon Age. Easter eggs like the Ogre statue in ME2 and the model for planet Klendagon being the moon in Thedas' sky notwithstanding. I think they simply come from "somewhere else", which is alien enough in Thedas.

 

My personal theory is they came from another continent, perhaps one that has a thriving and entirely different and unknown civilization on it. Maybe they were forced out, or civilization collapsed and they fled or perhaps they just sought out new lands to bring into the Qun. I think of it kind of like the Seanchan in the Wheel of TIme (with whom, actually, the Qunari share a few similarities, including leashing their mages)... you spend the bulk of the series in this sort of Tolkien-esque typical fantasy world and then it's revealed there's a land across the sea where things are COMPLETELY different and way more advanced.

 

If they are cribbing notes from the Seanchan, then perhaps like them it will be revealed the Qunari were actually here long ago as well and left, founding a new civilization across the sea and staying there for a long time before eventually coming back to their original homeland as "conquerors".

 

In any case, I do think the truth and origins of the Qunari/Kossith/Whateveryouwannacallems is something they plan to delve into and reveal more about one day (hopefully in the next game).

 

But I don't think they're space aliens.


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I don't think they are, no. I can't prove it, but my gut tells me that's a sci-fi/fantasy line that BioWare isn't going to cross in Dragon Age. Easter eggs like the Ogre statue in ME2 and the model for planet Klendagon being the moon in Thedas' sky notwithstanding. I think they simply come from "somewhere else", which is alien enough in Thedas.

 

My personal theory is they came from another continent, perhaps one that has a thriving and entirely different and unknown civilization on it. Maybe they were forced out, or civilization collapsed and they fled or perhaps they just sought out new lands to bring into the Qun. I think of it kind of like the Seanchan in the Wheel of TIme (with whom, actually, the Qunari share a few similarities, including leashing their mages)... you spend the bulk of the series in this sort of Tolkien-esque typical fantasy world and then it's revealed there's a land across the sea where things are COMPLETELY different and way more advanced.

 

If they are cribbing notes from the Seanchan, then perhaps like them it will be revealed the Qunari were actually here long ago as well and left, founding a new civilization across the sea and staying there for a long time before eventually coming back to their original homeland as "conquerors".

 

In any case, I do think the truth and origins of the Qunari/Kossith/Whateveryouwannacallems is something they plan to delve into and reveal more about one day (hopefully in the next game).

 

But I don't think they're space aliens.

Thank you for posting the first thoughtful response!



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I don't think they are, no. I can't prove it, but my gut tells me that's a sci-fi/fantasy line that BioWare isn't going to cross in Dragon Age. Easter eggs like the Ogre statue in ME2 and the model for planet Klendagon being the moon in Thedas' sky notwithstanding. I think they simply come from "somewhere else", which is alien enough in Thedas.

 

My personal theory is they came from another continent, perhaps one that has a thriving and entirely different and unknown civilization on it. Maybe they were forced out, or civilization collapsed and they fled or perhaps they just sought out new lands to bring into the Qun. I think of it kind of like the Seanchan in the Wheel of TIme (with whom, actually, the Qunari share a few similarities, including leashing their mages)... you spend the bulk of the series in this sort of Tolkien-esque typical fantasy world and then it's revealed there's a land across the sea where things are COMPLETELY different and way more advanced.

 

If they are cribbing notes from the Seanchan, then perhaps like them it will be revealed the Qunari were actually here long ago as well and left, founding a new civilization across the sea and staying there for a long time before eventually coming back to their original homeland as "conquerors".

 

In any case, I do think the truth and origins of the Qunari/Kossith/Whateveryouwannacallems is something they plan to delve into and reveal more about one day (hopefully in the next game).

 

But I don't think they're space aliens.

 

For clarification's sake, I agree with you. Brought up the Krogan in ME2 because someone mentioned a ME reference in Inquisition.



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I just wonder if what drove the qunari out of their homeland will eventually show up in Thedas.



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 For clarification's sake, I agree with you.

 

 

 

Right on. I didn't figure you were earnestly asserting that, I just thought it was worth pointing out for the sake of discussion that they were just Easter Eggs and not real links between settings.



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According to the wiki, there was a kossith colony in the Korcari Wilds briefly around the first blight, so they must have had some way of reaching Thedas even back then.  I'd like to learn more about their origins and how they got to where they are.  

 

These are some of the most interesting things about Dragon Age to me.  There are so many mysteries about the past and the various races.  I don't know if I think they'll ever give definitive answers for them, but it would be neat to get more info on them.  I'd like to know what the deal with the qunari is, where humans actually came from, what's beyond the Korcari Wilds and the blighted lasts in the Western Approach.   Lots of cool stuff to learn about.


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I've long wondered if the world of Dragon Age could take place in the same universe as Mass Effect, and it was that pondering that really got me thinking on the subject of whether or not qunari were actually aliens. I know this sounds strange, but bear with me (and keep in mind that when I say 'qunari,' I mean the people with horns rather than those that follow the Qun).

 

Reason 1: Using our planet as an example (since it's the only known planet with an example of life to work off of), it is fairly clear that there can really only be one dominant race at a time.

 

There may be many rival races vying for power and control (humans, elves, dwarves), but eventually only one will emerge victorious (humans). In Thedas, human numbers are strong while dwarf population is in a terrible decline. The same can be said of elves, although their situation differs somewhat from the dwarves. Either way, humans are the ones that are definitely prospering while their counterparts suffer. Qunari seem to be exempt from this rule, however, which doesn't make sense based on what we know of our own planet. They are an incredibly strong and formidable force that show no signs of slowing down. As a side note, this also seems to be true in Mass Effect: nearly every planet has only one dominant race on it.

 

 

Reason 2: Humans, elves, and dwarves are all pretty similar to one another despite the diversity of each race. They definitely do have their differences between them, but they certainly have more in common with one another than they do with the qunari. Why are the qunari so different from them, then?

 

Qunari do not really share any traits with the other races outside of pointed ears and being bipedal. They also lack diversity. Qunari are all supposed to have eyes of the same color, and the hair on their heads is meant to be white. And, unlike any other known race in Thedas, they have horns. Qunari claim this is because of their "dragon blood," but is that is hardly more plausible than them being from another world. Going back to Mass Effect again: most of the alien races in the game also lack diversity, with only slight color variations.

 

 

Reason 3: Qunari practice selective breeding.

 

They say it's for job purposes, but it might also be in part because of reason 2. Maybe they are all so similar to one another because they have a fairly small gene pool? Perhaps this is why they are so conscious of who is paired with who- to prevent a bottleneck in the population?

 

 

Reason 4No one knows where they came from.

 

We know that they came from somewhere in Thedas, but nothing much more specific than that. It's also theorized that they have not had contact with the "mainland" for quite some time. Could it be that they may be the surviving spawn of an alien ship that crashed on the planet some time ago? A divide in their ranks might mean that part of the survivors of the crash went one way while the rest stayed put, and perhaps it is those that stayed put on "the mainland" that died. Could this be why the qunari no longer have contact with them? If they did come from a crashed ship, this may also be another reason why #3 is so important to them.

 

 

Reason 5: Qunari mages don't really enter the Fade.

 

They're seen there sometimes, it's true, but qunari claim that the Fade is a very different place from the one humans and elves enter. This seems to be true, as human and elf mages report that qunari are very rarely encountered in the Fade. And yet qunari get their magic from somewhere, don't they? Where would that be, if not from some special Fade-like place that only they can access? If only they can access it, why would that be?

 

 

Reason 6: Their technology is advanced and of a different 'sort' than the other races.

 

Each race can build some pretty awesome stuff, and although it is said that the dwarves are the most technologically advanced, the qunari create things of an entirely different caliber. They have black powder, which means it's likely they have cannons. Iron Bull's original concept art also shows him with what is basically a gun, which means that the qunari probably have firearms in their near future if they don't have them already. Dwarves have yet to figure out how to make black powder. They have clocks and golems instead, which isn't really the same sort of technology, I'd say, as what the qunari are producing. Is it possible that their advances are relics of their alien past? Assuming they did crash land on the planet Thedas, it's possible that much of their original technology was lost and forgotten over the generations. Cannons and warships and guns could just be the scary leftovers.

 

 

These are just some of the reasons I was able to think up in favor for the idea, but I'm sure more will eventually come to me. Anyway, what do you guys think? Does it still sound crazy and impossible?

If you listen to what Bull says about his people you will learn that they came from a race called Kossith who live far to the north. The Quinari have lost contact with them and Bull didn't seem to want to talk about them. He said they don't look like he does but he was very reluctant to say what they do look like or maybe he just didn't know.


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If you listen to what Bull says about his people you will learn that they came from a race called Kossith who live far to the north. The Quinari have lost contact with them and Bull didn't seem to want to talk about them. He said they don't look like he does but he was very reluctant to say what they do look like or maybe he just didn't know.

 

Which tells me the devs have plans for these guys in the future, but they dont want to set anything in stone.



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I've long wondered if the world of Dragon Age could take place in the same universe as Mass Effect, and it was that pondering that really got me thinking on the subject of whether or not qunari were actually aliens. I know this sounds strange, but bear with me (and keep in mind that when I say 'qunari,' I mean the people with horns rather than those that follow the Qun).

 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

 

That idea of a shared universe is my WORST nightmare! I lie awake at night, dreaming this ... because .. because this might actually mean the dreadful Spacechild is the Maker!!!!! And if Bioware takes drugs again DA4 will have us visiting the Maker telling us bullshiate again about why he left and came back and ...

 

*shudders* ...

 

Aliens? Nah, I thought they were created a long time ago? Like some warrior-slave-race by some ancient beings? Something like that? They realyl feel a bit artificial and robotic, not as they have evolved naturally.


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That's ridiculous because Dragon Age is the same universe as Jade Empire not Mass Effect!



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I think your pot is cracked.

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Short awnser... No

 

Long awnser...No, you fruitloop



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got me to thinking I know who the maker is now SHEPARD



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No.

 

Thedas is only one continent on the planet and it is not even fully explored and charted. The Qunari came from a different land to the east. Bull talks about this along with his theory on what Qunari have horns ( selective dragon breeding/infusing dragon blood ). As for their technology, there's nothing impressively alien about it. They have 9th century tech ( black powder ) 15th century artillery ( naval cannons and dreadnaughts. Although given the very short range of their cannons it may be more like 10th century without the development of rifling ) and 7th century BC engineering ( Aquaducts, etc ). 

 

They are also less technologically advanced than the Dwarves. Are the Dwarves aliens?



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The first Qunari were 'Kossith' Reavers who either A: consumed way too much blood from dragons, B: Bred with dragons or C: As Xhaiden just said, infused themselves with dragon blood somehow. This caused them to mutate, and as such, they were cast out by their kin, buggering off to Par Vollen and southern Ferelden. That's partially one of the reasons they see Dragons as holy, because their blood recognizes dragons as a form of origin or something. It also makes sense that the Qunari tale of the first human Reaver is that he drank the blood of a dragon and became powerful, because the Qunari themselves did the same thing and became powerful in their own eyes after leaving the Kossith. The reason they have horns and stuff is because they have literal dragon's blood, and that's why they have the Qun, to give them something to occupy themselves with, and stop them from going around murdering each other like Tal-Vashoth, whom have left the Qun and let their blood take over their bodies. They've continued their war with Tevinter in Seheron, ect for so long, so they can send off the more violent, bloodthirsty Qunari who can't properly control their heritage but haven't dishonoured themselves enough to justify naming them Tal-Vashoth or denounced the Qun off to fight an enemy who can handle it rather than casting them out like T-V.

 

As for Magic, the reason they don't dream, or draw from the Fade for their magic, could simply be because of the dragon's blood in their veins. Every dragon is apparently able to draw on some form of basic elemental magic, fire, ice, electric, ect. This could be similar to Qunari, but bare in mind, with the addition of ACTUAL Qunari Mages in Inquisition, I'm not too certain. As far as I remember, the only magic Qunari were seen doing in DA2 was elemental, so... Yeah.

 

That's the jist of it, really. Or something along those lines, anyway. At least, that's my general opinion on it. This isn't canon at all.