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[Kantr]

Cory says Qunari were a mistake. Implying the Ancient Tevinter Magisters knew something about them

[JadeDragon]

Since it seems that kossith look different from qunari i wonder that if hornless qunari like sten look closer to the kossith, so horned qunari view them as imposing or scary because of this. That could kinda mean some qunari are possible born with less dragon blood or genes?

[Qoojo]

No. Qunari are the result of this:

 

1: We need another race.

2: Gnomes?

1: Nah. Gnome sex scene. Enough said.

3: How about a big dude with horns on his head?

2: Where do they come from?

1: Who cares.

[Feranel]

Cory says Qunari were a mistake. Implying the Ancient Tevinter Magisters knew something about them

That's a tough one because he says that about every race but Human.

[X Equestris]

That's a tough one because he says that about every race but Human.

Not really, he says, about the qunari specifically, something to the effect of "What are you, a qunari? Your race is not even a race, it is a mistake." Combine this with Kieran's comments about the blood of the qunari not being their own, and you get a lot of theory fodder.

[leaguer of one]

Dragon Blood Drinking Elves.

^this.

[leaguer of one]

Cory says Qunari were a mistake. Implying the Ancient Tevinter Magisters knew something about them

Yes. A Magester who talked to an ancient elven sealed god told you that.

[Punahedan]

I always had this inkling that the Qunari were the outcome of Tevinter experiments on dragons gone wrong. Don't know why I keep thinking that...

Dragon Blood Drinking Elves.

 

Pretty much what I was thinking, though there are timeline/geographical issues. Though it's not like there isn't a huge information gap for qunari, so we can't say it's not true either. 

 

IMO:

 

They're called oxmen in reference to horns + their bodies looking like more muscular humans, but we don't call dwarves some version of "stout human". For elves and humans, the biggest point of reference and insult is the shape of the ears. That's more telling, I think. 

 

Tevinter logic: run tests on elven slaves since there's more of them than there are magisters. Probably an early attempt to achieve godhood, all gone awry. Corypheus calls a the qunari "not a race" but a "mistake" in the final battle. Solas is convinced Qunari can't think for themselves, and he would have been present for their initial arrival; perhaps their strict worldviews originate from a slave's mindset. He shows similar disdain for both city and dalish elves. Certainly not the only possibility, though. We don't know enough to say for sure. 

 

Early non-Alamarri tribe humans that eventually settled Tevinter, the Neromenians (codex entries sometimes spell this as Neoromenians and Necromenians), also came via the north -- specifically via Par Vollen, as well, with large ships. They left behind temples devoted to "horned beings" -- dragons, probably. They were animists at first, and dragons are animals, technically. Personifying them later when encountering powerful spirits like the ones of the elven pantheon would result in the early Tevinter worship, I think. Anyway, the local and primitive fex later adopted this as their own religion. I'm not sure why the passing humans didn't enslave them then, but I assume the slave trade begins later; if they were marginalized previously in their homeland culture, which aside from potential trade routes is the other main reason to leave a place, then they may not have been eager to become what they left behind (Pure speculation though).

 

Mixing people with dragon blood could have been common practice in "the homeland" (which is stated in the Qun excerpts to be decadent, something Tevinter also is); abandonment of the tradition / leaving the homeland may have resulted in losing the knowledge. Trying to bring it back in a bid to reach the gods / achieve your own godhood via blood magic experiments on slaves (not the first time Tevinter has done that), and having it backfire spectacularly? Plausible. Adds another dimension to the animosity between Tevinter and Qunari, as well. A case of "everyone is angry and no one remembers why". 

 

Kossith could be a racial term, but Iron Bull's tone implies he's not sure. Gaider's said that among the Tamassrans, it's more of an obscure philosophical/religious term. Perhaps the early versions of dragon-worship, imo, another word for the animist beliefs the Neromenians came with. It could well be the shared tradition in the north. Also of note: Rivaini traditions mesh well with Qunari traditions, and Rivaini also originate from the northe, albeit from islands farther west. There's nothing denying there was trade between them. There's also nothing in the codex entries (that I've found) indicating when they settled Rivain. They've largely stayed out of mainland Thedas conflicts. 

 

The only thing this theory doesn't jive well with is the kossith that landed in the south just before the First Blight, which is used to explain why there are ogres among the darkspawn (though you'd think they'd run out between the First Blight and the arrival of the Qunari nearly 800 years later... There weren't that many kossith around, not when it was likely more of an explorative venture than a settlement venture). Then the Qunari land in the north? It's important, I think, that the Qunari arrive with such precision onto Par Vollen, and then invade, when their kossith predecessors landed all the way on the bloody south end of Thedas. That's a huge difference. It seems purposeful. 

 

But if the backfired experiments theory is true, then what did the Tevinter mages do after? Mail them back to the homeland? That's sort of where my idea falls apart, there'd have to be some back-and-forth between the north and Thedas, and while there's nothing denying that's true, there's also nothing confirming it, so I'm hesitant to throw myself completely into this. 

 

Ultimately, my biggest takeaway from codex entries is that there's some kind of link between early Tevinter and Qunari, but I don't have enough information on the Qunari that isn't military-centric to determine the extent of it besides "dragons probably." 

 

 

(marginally related: there's a codex entry from one of the astrariums, the one on Draconis, that talks about the depiction being more serpentine, almost like a sea dragon. AKA a cetus? AKA aban-ataashi, literally sea-dragon in Qunlat? Which are more common in the northern oceans???) 

 

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Not really, he says, about the qunari specifically, something to the effect of "What are you, a qunari? Your race is not even a race, it is a mistake." Combine this with Kieran's comments about the blood of the qunari not being their own, and you get a lot of theory fodder.

 

THIS TOO. I forgot about it, I didn't have Kieran in my first PT so I heard this second-hand. I forgot. Thank you. 

[Ashagar]

That's a tough one because he says that about every race but Human.

 

What now? He threw a insult yes, something about dwarves being glorified dirt grubbers but he didn't call dwarves a mistake in my dwarven play-through, don't know about elves as I've yet to finish a elven play-though.

[Hair Serious Business]

There is that original Kossith were actually Protheans(from ME series) theory...as much as crazy it sounds it does actually make lot of sense when you put two and two together.This could be pretty much same "easter egg" as it was in ME about DAO(the ogre statue in one of ME2 DLCs),same could be here about Protheans being Kossith.

 

*For all who have no clue who are Protheans and never played ME franchise I will just give quick version why is highly possible that they are Qunari's so famous Kossiths:

 

-As we know Kossiths had an "Empire" that was legend and that had many different races in it that all eventually just called themselves "Kossiths".Kossith also didn't looked like Qunari and for unknown reasons Qunari had to leave them.

 

-Now Protheans from ME series had legendary Empire as well with different races in it that all eventually called themselves Protheans(does this sounds familiar ?).Also they are infamous for creating and experimenting on their "Sub-servant" races,like asari,then creating rachni to simply unleash them on enemies and many other races that were not real Prothean(bug looking people) who were just called "Protheans" by joining the empire or the slaves were all genuine pigs for Protheans to experiment on them to develop modifications in races or to evolve or create something new out of them.

 

Now as we all know Qunari are possibly experiment as well...and since they say that "Kossith" were ones that made them...then put who Protheans were and their history together with what Kossith were...then this theory of Protheans being "Kossith" does make most sense and as I said this could be an "easter egg" that BW gave in here as they did once in ME2 about DAO

[JadeDragon]

Well since Dragons are resistant to the Blight and seem to prevent it from spreading maybe the Kossith after encountering the Blight in the wilds experimented with members of there race to make them more tolarent to it. Kind of like explorers finding a sickness in a new land and finding a cure for it so they can explore it. So years and years of testing dragon blood on there own resulted in qunari. Qunari seem to be unable to be grey wardens maybe the dragon blood rejects the darkspawn blood. And Kossith probably forced out Qunari because they were going mad because of the dragon blood so they could have seen them as failed experiments and drove them out or once they had enough uses for the qunari and now have a cure for the taint they drove. I can see our Warden going to the lands of the Kossith to find a cure for the calling. Or if the ancient elves did know of the blight they could have used those they enslaved and used dragon blood for the same reasons i stated. But i think it was more so the kossith who could have done this if this is the case. Either way I would love to see when they do explain the qunari blood thing how it will effect the culture of the Qun, with a religion and system based off so much order infomation like this could sake there system if members of the Qun went into a rage about it.

[leaguer of one]

Well since Dragons are resistant to the Blight and seem to prevent it from spreading maybe the Kossith after encountering the Blight in the wilds experimented with members of there race to make them more tolarent to it. Kind of like explorers finding a sickness in a new land and finding a cure for it so they can explore it. So years and years of testing dragon blood on there own resulted in qunari. Qunari seem to be unable to be grey wardens maybe the dragon blood rejects the darkspawn blood. And Kossith probably forced out Qunari because they were going mad because of the dragon blood so they could have seen them as failed experiments and drove them out or once they had enough uses for the qunari and now have a cure for the taint they drove. I can see our Warden going to the lands of the Kossith to find a cure for the calling. Or if the ancient elves did know of the blight they could have used those they enslaved and used dragon blood for the same reasons i stated. But i think it was more so the kossith who could have done this if this is the case. Either way I would love to see when they do explain the qunari blood thing how it will effect the culture of the Qun, with a religion and system based off so much order infomation like this could sake there system if members of the Qun went into a rage about it.

Nothing says qunari can't be grey wardens. It say the people who fallow the qun never joined the grey wardens.

[X Equestris]

Well since Dragons are resistant to the Blight and seem to prevent it from spreading maybe the Kossith after encountering the Blight in the wilds experimented with members of there race to make them more tolarent to it. Kind of like explorers finding a sickness in a new land and finding a cure for it so they can explore it. So years and years of testing dragon blood on there own resulted in qunari. Qunari seem to be unable to be grey wardens maybe the dragon blood rejects the darkspawn blood. And Kossith probably forced out Qunari because they were going mad because of the dragon blood so they could have seen them as failed experiments and drove them out or once they had enough uses for the qunari and now have a cure for the taint they drove. I can see our Warden going to the lands of the Kossith to find a cure for the calling. Or if the ancient elves did know of the blight they could have used those they enslaved and used dragon blood for the same reasons i stated. But i think it was more so the kossith who could have done this if this is the case. Either way I would love to see when they do explain the qunari blood thing how it will effect the culture of the Qun, with a religion and system based off so much order infomation like this could sake there system if members of the Qun went into a rage about it.

Those who follow the Qun never become Wardens, though there were rumors back in Origins of Tal-Vashoth trying the Joining. We just don't know if any were successful.

[JadeDragon]

Those who follow the Qun never become Wardens, though there were rumors back in Origins of Tal-Vashoth trying the Joining. We just don't know if any were successful.

That was what I was more talking point. The rumored Tal-Vashoth who tried. Maybe there success rate is lower because I know they arnt immune to the taint. But I am sure Grey Wardens in Anderfels at least may have tried to get some Tal-Vashoth to join not saying they agreed but when you have a chance to recruit A giant merc i doubt they would pass it up.