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[Above Good and Evil]

Seriously when I look at various threads there are people claiming that the Warden's numbers are mostly criminals conscripted from jail and there are rare non-criminal wardens. Where did this come from? I mean I know they can conscript, but Wardens hire from the best they can find, not go to Fort Drakon and have everyone go through the Joining. Remember that the cocktail requires archdemon blood so they can't just give it to every criminal and risk 90% of their recruits running away or dying on the first fight cause they want Wardens capable of surviving. 

I'm sorry, I know the Wardens screwed up in this game but that's no reason to call them an army of murderers and rapists. The Legion of the Dead are made of criminals, but Wardens can be both conscripted from anyone (and this includes more than just prisons) and join voluntarily. 

[Insaner Robot]

Hyperbole, vitriol and too much game of thrones probably.

[Colonelkillabee]

They read way too much into what the inquisitor asks blackwall.

 

Which was "I heard a lot of grey wardens were once criminals."

[Sifr]

Take a look at some of the Wardens (or conscripted Wardens) we've seen thus far;

 

Origins:

 

Duncan: Former thief, accidental murderer.

Daveth: Pickpocket and thief.

Surana/Amell: Possible accomplice to blood mage.

Brosca: Carta thug.

Aeducan: Possibly guilty of fratricide, arranging murder of political rivals, slaying of heir to House Dace in Proving.

Mahariel: Possibly guilty of murdering up to three unarmed humans.

Tabris: Murder spree through Arl of Denerim's estate, and possible murder of Bann Vaughn.

Loghain: Guilty of Regicide via desertion. Complicit in attempted assassination of Arl Eamon, Warden and Alistair. Sold citizens into Slavery.

 

Awakening.

 

Anders: Serial Escapee from Circle.

Velanna: Vigilante and murderer of human caravans.

Nathaniel: Attempted assassin of the Warden-Commander.

Sigrun: Former Carta Thug from Legion of the Dead.

Oghren: Alcoholic, disgraced member of the Warrior Caste.

 

Hardly the most reputable bunch, if we're being honest?

[LightningPoodle]

Well, criminals would be the quickest way to find any recruits. Most of them would have some skill that the Wardens could use. Some of them aren't criminals but most of them have at least done something worth questioning.

[Br3admax]

There's no proof of any of these things. Just as there is no proof of Solas saying almost all Templars are criminals. People just use it to make a point. 

[Deanna]

Its not mostly criminals, they only recruit people who they believe are capable. Grey Wardens come from all walks of life. Men and women, elves and dwarves, barbarians and kings. It also bugs me a little that most people think Grey Wardens are just a bunch of criminals cuz that is not always the case. I would say its 50/50

[Luckyanna]

I think it just morphed from 'Grey Wardens accept everyone, even criminals'.

[Sifr]

Well, criminals would be the quickest way to find any recruits. Most of them would have some skill that the Wardens could use. Some of them aren't criminals but most of them have at least done something worth questioning.

 

Especially since inbetween Blights, it's not like they have many people who are clamouring to join the ranks? In Awakening, it was just after the Blight and people were singing the Wardens praises left and right, yet we only had one person who wanted to join of their own violition, since people know it's a difficult, often thankless job that requires you fighting the stuff of nightmares until the day you die?

 

Criminals make sense for the types of people they'd peg for recruitment, because regardless of their crimes, the Wardens need to maintain their manpower and it's not like those criminals have any other options available to them at that point?

[Aimi]

Do Grey Wardens pay their troops or simply feed, house, arm, and armor them? If the latter, why would anybody join? If the former, where does the money come from?

How did Rainier survive on his own outside the order without these things? Did he continue to draw Warden-Constable Blackwall's allotments somehow, or did he just live off of donations and/or theft?

[Br3admax]

Well most people actually think he's Blackwall, so it's not that farfetched to think they still gave him supplies and the like. Where he currently lives, is someone else's old summer home.

[MikeJW]

I think it's the association people have of the Wardens being like the Nights Watch in ASoIaF. In reality I could see a group like the Wardens getting a lot of good recruits from experienced swordsmen and second and third or fourth sons of noble houses who wouldnt inherit anything anyway. No one outside the order knows the true price of joining but they would see an organization that offered a living. I mean, if I lived in that time, not knowing the truth of the Wardens, I'd join them in a heartbeat rather than slave in the fields or mines as a serf or die as soldier for some petty noble.

[Aimi]

Well most people actually think he's Blackwall, so it's not that farfetched to think they still gave him supplies and the like. Where he currently lives, is someone else's old summer home.

It's hard to imagine that, though, because when he's recruited he says he doesn't have contact with the Wardens, and he doesn't know about their disappearance several months back which doesn't make sense if he's drawing supplies from them. You'd think he'd notice the his meal ticket vanishing. That'd also circumscribe his movements a lot, because Warden bases are few and far between even in places where they are relatively strong, and in Ferelden they are pretty weak.

[Arvaarad]

The Wardens, as (debateably) neutral as they are, still have to pay attention to politics. Sure, they can technically conscript anyone, but do it too often and you'll get run out of the country, darkspawn or no.

So if possible, they're going to want to focus on people who join willingly or who have no other options. Outside of Fereldan, no one's seen a Blight in years, so it wouldn't even occur to people to join the Wardens - most are only dimly aware of them at best.

So that leaves the people with no other options. Mostly criminals, of some kind or another.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Do Grey Wardens pay their troops or simply feed, house, arm, and armor them? If the latter, why would anybody join? If the former, where does the money come from?

How did Rainier survive on his own outside the order without these things? Did he continue to draw Warden-Constable Blackwall's allotments somehow, or did he just live off of donations and/or theft?

More likely the latter. People join because the Grey Wardens are seen as heroes thus think joining is a great honor. 

 

Most likely he was self-sufficient. Made camps, hunted, etc. 

[Milan92]

There's no proof of any of these things. Just as there is no proof of Solas saying almost all Templars are criminals. People just use it to make a point. 

 

Lol, did Solas really say that? Man that guy is crazy.

[Bob Walker]

It is curious because Grey Warden's task demands a sense of duty and self-sacrifice not normally expected from criminals. Considering the Blight is a menace to everyone, does all the population would expect to be saved by a group consisted of outlaws?

[Sifr]

Do Grey Wardens pay their troops or simply feed, house, arm, and armor them? If the latter, why would anybody join? If the former, where does the money come from?

How did Rainier survive on his own outside the order without these things? Did he continue to draw Warden-Constable Blackwall's allotments somehow, or did he just live off of donations and/or theft?

 

I figure that the money they get comes from donations, trading, and the odd job posting found on chantry boards.

 

Most Wardens seem to be taught to be self-sufficient and hunt for their food, which fits with Alistair comments in Origins about his infamously bad cooking and unappealing rabbit stew, coupled with Morrigan's annoyance when the dog left a dead rabbit in her knapsack suggesting that the party often hunted for their food.

 

As a former soldier himself before he took Blackwall's name, it would make sense that Rainier would be used to living rough and probably how to hunt and live off the land, especially when he was short of a few bob and couldn't afford a decent meal at a tavern. Having squandered the money he won in the Grand Tourney in under two years and being not adverse to a hefty bribe, one can assume that Rainier has a tendency to squander his cash like Gamlen, forcing him to find other ways to make the quick bit of cash on the side?

[Bigdoser]

It is curious because Grey Warden's task demands a sense of duty and self-sacrifice not normally expected from criminals. Considering the Blight is a menace to everyone, does all the population would expect to be saved by a group consisted of outlaws?

I think its the nightmares that normally get the criminals to realize the full extent of what they are doing and fighting. 

[BraveVesperia]

I think it's less that they 'mostly take criminals' and more that they're 'happy to take criminals'. Riordan says something like that to Alistair, that the Wardens aren't going to judge people for past crimes if they can help fight the Blight. I imagine criminals are simply ideal because their only alternative to the Wardens is imprisonment/death (wasn't that to be Daveth's fate, and he was more prepared for the Wardens than Jory). Plus, they may have skills that the Wardens can use, different to soldiers, knights and mages. Finally, criminals might be more willing to 'do what must be done' than noble souls (again, Jory).

[Sifr]

I think its the nightmares that normally get the criminals to realize the full extent of what they are doing and fighting. 

 

Plus like the Legion of the Dead, fighting darkspawn on a regular basis would make any Grey Warden quickly realise that those things must never be allowed to make it to the surface or wherever their loved ones currently are.

[Br3admax]

Lol, did Solas really say that? Man that guy is crazy.

To Blackwall of all people. Thugs, petty criminals, and third sons; all doing what they're told to hurt people or just to follow.

[Milan92]

To Blackwall of all people. Thugs, petty criminals, and third sons; all doing what they're told to hurt people or just to follow.

 

Wow.

[Br3admax]

It's hard to imagine that, though, because when he's recruited he says he doesn't have contact with the Wardens, and he doesn't know about their disappearance several months back which doesn't make sense if he's drawing supplies from them. You'd think he'd notice the his meal ticket vanishing. That'd also circumscribe his movements a lot, because Warden bases are few and far between even in places where they are relatively strong, and in Ferelden they are pretty weak.

I meant minor nobles and such in and around Ferelden. Just wave one of the treaties and eat for a day.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Wow.

 

You surprised he holds that view?

 

Though he does in the same speech to Blackwall Br3admax mentioned, that there are a few good people in the order, using Ser Barris as an example.

 

In short, even the elven god of rebellion thinks Ser Barris kicks ass.