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[MisterJB]

There's no proof of any of these things. Just as there is no proof of Solas saying almost all Templars are criminals. People just use it to make a point. 

The hell?

[Hellion Rex]

There's no proof of any of these things. Just as there is no proof of Solas saying almost all Templars are criminals. People just use it to make a point. 

Dafuq? When did he say that?

[Milan92]

You surprised he holds that view?

 

Yes and at the same time no.

 

I know that Solas likes it when the inquisitor looks at things with a grey perspective. Which makes one assume thats how Solas's mind works as well. Yet he treats the mage/templar issue as black & white.

[Hellion Rex]

Yes and at the same time no.

 

I know that Solas likes it when the inquisitor looks at things with a grey perspective. Which makes one assume thats how Solas's mind works as well. Yet he treats the mage/templar issue as black & white.

Same with the whole GW thing. To him, that's pretty black and white.

[Ryzaki]

Yes and at the same time no.

 

I know that Solas likes it when the inquisitor looks at things with a grey perspective. Which makes one assume thats how Solas's mind works as well. Yet he treats the mage/templar issue as black & white.

 

Solas being a hypocrite. News at 11. (sorry but srsly Solas has some serious blinders on at times).

[Br3admax]

I'm guessing Blackwall and Solas aren't the go to team for most people.

[Hellion Rex]

I'm guessing Blackwall and Solas aren't the go to team for most people.

I'll bring Solas and Blackwall on occasion, but listening to Solas take potshots at the Grey Wardens w/ no basis for his claims gets kinda old after a while.

[Bullets McDeath]

Well, we don't actually have census numbers, but as someone pointed out above, most of the Grey Wardens we have met or known about in the games have had shady pasts. Several have been murderers, most have been criminals, nearly all were sure to be dead soon otherwise. As being a Grey Warden is a death sentence and even the Joining itself can be fatal, you can see why they would often pick from amongst those who were already doomed. It just makes sense.

 

Although there are those who consider being a Grey Warden an honor and a privilege, like Alistair, Ser Gilmore, Ser Jory, Carver Hawke... I imagine there's a fair mix of both kinds. Although, obviously, Ser Jory had his second thoughts...

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

If I recall correctly. I don't think Solas outright says that most templars are criminals, though he does still say that the great majority of them are either thugs looking for an excuse to abuse power and hurt people or individuals all too willing to just "follow orders".

 

Granted, that is not much more positive.

[Br3admax]

I'll bring Solas and Blackwall on occasion, but listening to Solas take potshots at the Grey Wardens w/ no basis for his claims gets kinda old after a while.

Solas: Blackwall, you're great, but here's why everything you believe in is wrong. Oh, and Orlais used to be a dump.

Yeah, I can see that getting old pretty fast.

[Hellion Rex]

Solas, granted, obviously knows a hell of a lot more about the Blight than anybody else, but in the game, no one know his true identity, so Solas just comes off as a pretentious ass when he takes shots at the Grey Wardens.

[Br3admax]

If I recall correctly. I don't think Solas outright says that most templars are criminals, though he does still say that the great majority of them are either thugs looking for an excuse to abuse power and hurt people or individuals all too willing to just "follow orders".

Granted, that is not much more positive.

He just says "But most are," then goes down the list.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Yes and at the same time no.

 

I know that Solas likes it when the inquisitor looks at things with a grey perspective. Which makes one assume thats how Solas's mind works as well. Yet he treats the mage/templar issue as black & white.

 

I was not too surprised when I heard it, though that was because I already saw this on youtube.

 

S:

Are you glad to have the templars back at your side? A strong, proud organization founded on the fear of magic. What a wonderful job it has done!

 

Inq:

The templars protect people!

 

S:

Yes, from thinking!

 

Solas has a pretty low opinion on templars.

[Feranel]

Solas: Blackwall, you're great, but here's why everything you believe in is wrong. Oh, and Orlais used to be a dump.

Yeah, I can see that getting old pretty fast.

 

They get along mostly well actually, there's a lot of thinly veiled talks about how solas has seen more than his share of battlefields and he recognizes that in blackwall, considering him a kindred spirit as someone whose seen horror on the battlefield, though solas gets dodgey when blackwall asks him when he participated in battle. (this convo is part of the evidence for the Solas=Shartan theory).

 

After Blackwall's revelation Solas gets uppity about how he was wrong, and that they are "Nothing alike."

[Catwall]

I was not too surprised when I heard it, though that was because I already saw this on youtube.

 

S:

Are you glad to have the templars back at your side? A strong, proud organization founded on the fear of magic. What a wonderful job it has done!

 

Inq:

The templars protect people!

 

S:

Yes, from thinking!

 

Solas has a pretty low opinion on templars.

If Solas were real and alive today, he would probably be the kind of person who uses the word "sheeple" un-ironically. This is why I always slap him.

[Br3admax]

They get along mostly well actually

I don't think anybody denied that.

[Feranel]

I don't think anybody denied that.

 

Ah.  I mostly just meant that Solas doesn't spend all his convos with Blackwall harping on the Wardens, he also doesn't really spend a ton of his convos with Cassandra harping on Templars.

 

He does spend like, 80% of his conversations with Bull complaining about the Qun, that gets old fast.

[Bigdoser]

They get along mostly well actually, there's a lot of thinly veiled talks about how solas has seen more than his share of battlefields and he recognizes that in blackwall, considering him a kindred spirit as someone whose seen horror on the battlefield, though solas gets dodgey when blackwall asks him when he participated in battle. (this convo is part of the evidence for the Solas=Shartan theory).

 

After Blackwall's revelation Solas gets uppity about how he was wrong, and that they are "Nothing alike."

I recall that he apologizes afterwards for being uppity afterwards. XD

[Sifr]

I think that Solas' problem with the Wardens, Templars and Qunari is due to the lack of free-thinking that each employ.

 

He's right when he points out that the Warden's entire game plan is to seek out Archdemons to slay in the hope that once they've killed them all, the Blights will finally be over... when there's absolutely no evidence that this will work and that the Blights won't simply continue, regardless?

 

He's right when he points out that the Templars far too often fall prey to dogma and overzealousness in how they go about their job, treating mages as guilty until proven innocent and any mage outside the Circle as a potential maleficar, regardless of whether or not they are or have been actively presenting a danger to anyone?

 

He's also right when points out that the Qun is very restrictive when it comes to free thinking, to the extent that they have re-educators in place to prevent anyone questioning or thinking too far outside the box? Under the Qun, you're allowed to think only what the Qun allows you to think, or as Hawke noted in DA2, "You're free to choose to obey..."

[Br3admax]

Propaganda at its finest.

[Master Warder Z_]

Propaganda at its finest.

From an uppity self proclaimed god no less...didn't we spend the entire game trying to stop the insanity of another one of those?

[Broganisity]

Wardens welcome, recruit, or conscript (rarely) anyone they think can provide a special skill or talent to their organization...besides combat, of course:

- Ser Jory won the Grand Melee he was partaking in when Duncan recruited him.
- Daveth was swift and good at pickpocketing (which could be trained into throatcutting and scouting)...and supposedly had a silver-tongue of some sort. He was conscripted by Duncan.

 

...Then look at their reactions to 'The Joining'.

The 'all wardens are criminals' argument is hyperbole and stereotyping; It's no different from saying 'all Qunari wish to conscript you to the Qun'...the people with this argument will blissfully ignore the existence of the Tal-Vashoth because they don't fit into their argument.

Honestly, I think Bioware just think it's 'interesting' for most their notable warden characters to have less-than-savory backgrounds.

We could also talk about the concept of 'labelling' and but that's a big whopping topic for another time, so in summary: just because someone is/was a criminal, doesn't mean they are a bad person. (EX. Daveth, Tom Rainier, Duncan ETC) Grey Wardens see past that concept and look at one's skills and character. They wouldn't conscript someone they didn't think was reliable or trustworthy, no matter their skills.

Do you remember the story Nan used to tell you?

[Master Warder Z_]

Long ago in a dark grainy world there was this smelly cook...

[SgtSteel91]

They get along mostly well actually, there's a lot of thinly veiled talks about how solas has seen more than his share of battlefields and he recognizes that in blackwall, considering him a kindred spirit as someone whose seen horror on the battlefield, though solas gets dodgey when blackwall asks him when he participated in battle. (this convo is part of the evidence for the Solas=Shartan theory).

 

After Blackwall's revelation Solas gets uppity about how he was wrong, and that they are "Nothing alike."

 

Just wanted to add that Solas eventually apologizes for what he said and likes that Blackwall is truly trying to redeem himself now and not doing it by 'wearing another man's face.'

[MikeJW]

I think that Solas' problem with the Wardens, Templars and Qunari is due to the lack of free-thinking that each employ.

 

 

Of course, to be a free thinker one only has to agree with Solas. Doesn't cross his mind that maybe the people are free thinkers but join organizations with ideals that they already believe in. Solas is a condescending jerk. He prattles on about the virtues of free thinking but only if that free thinking leads them to the ame ideas he has.