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[Cantina]

I agree the enviroments are beatiful as are the characters within the game. However as much as there is beauty in this game there is just as much ugly.

 

Lets make a list shall we?

 

Armor:

 

We all have are own ideas on what is nice looking armor, but from reading a lot of feedback it seems like a majority of players are not happy with how armor looks in this game. Yes, it was bad in DA2 and yet for DAI instead of the developers looking at MODs and/or reading threads on what players are expecting they decided to continue their “Ugly Armor Streak.”

 

I for one play a mage and I am horrified even after several play-throughs of how ugly the armors are. My character has a choice what to wear: ugly, butt ugly or dear Maker what the hell is that?

 

Look at the Orlelisan Mage Armor you can purchase in Val R. It looks like Dragon Age’s own version of a Snuggie. 

 

Oh sure, the mage armor in The Hissing Wastes is the least ugly out of all of them, but you can see that ugly pj outfit showing through. Basically its just a coat with some hooker boots. Oh lovely. No five dollars please.

 

If the developers were using Skyrim for inspiration, why did they not use Betheda’s armor designs as inspiration too. .

 

Armor does not need to have ugly bits sticking out of it all over the place, like that ugly Kirkwall Champion Armor. Simple and nice can and does go a long way.

 

I also like to point out that apparently the developers did not listen to people when it comes to faction armor. I am NOT a Grey Warden, I do not need to wear or even get three damn drops of Warden Battlemage armor. Only thing it is good for is going to a store and selling it.

 

 

Skyhold Outfit:

 

Yep it has been said to death on how horrible this look is, but it needs to be said over and over until we get some sort of change.

 

Sure, there are MODs to fix this problem, but alas not everyone plays on the PC. 

 

So let me say this again: Developers the beiege PJ outfit is UGLY.

 

What is the solution?

 

First: Remove the “lock” not letting players choose what to wear while at Skyhold. Its idiotic to have it on.

 

Second: Remove the beige PJ outfit from the game all together and go back to the main character having under garments beneath their main outfit.  If a player wants to judge someone or run around Skyhold in their knickers-who cares.

 

Third: Add in a store allowing characters to purchase everyday clothing. People who role play would greatly appreciate this, me included.

 

 

Leathers and Fabrics:

 

The colors of leathers and fabrics are just down right awful. I spend more time making sure my armor looks good oppose to the stats it gives.

 

Like I really want my mage running around in a plaid boots, with a purple coat and some green mixed in. I am not The Joker.

 

But its not just the armor, its also weapons.  Like I really want to make Iron  Bull a sword from Dawnstone. Or have Cassandra run around in a shield that looks like it has layers of rust on it.

 

OK, fine you want to give leathers and cloths their own color, I can accept that. What I cannot accept is the fact you could not add in dyes to allow players to colorize their own armor.

 

An even better option would have been a separate table to apply whatever color you the player want on your armor. Just click the table and a window pulls up. On the side is boxes with different sections of your armor. Click on the section and a color wheel pops-up. You can even do this for your weapons too.

 

 

Hairstyles:

 

Sweet Maker! Developers what were you thinking? No really I want to know. The female hairstyles are beyond ugly, they are freaking ugly as hell.

 

If your concerned with clipping, I laugh at that. It would not be a Dragon Age game without running into clipping from other places. I for one rather endure hair clipping then having to choose between the current hairstyles.

 

One of my favorite hairstyles from the previous DA games was the parted straight shoulder length hair. It was simple and nice.

 

Now in DAI most of the female hairstyles look as if you took your character to a drunk barber and they used a weed whacker.

I for one was a bit horrified to find out that Lord Eramond had the same hairstyle I chose for my female Hawke. (face palms).

 

 

 

Enclosing I say this:

 

Bioware, your idea of nice looking is a smoke screen brought on smoking too many cheap crayons. As a player I willing to part with my soul just to see better of the above I mentioned.

 

You have a new engine, use it. There is no need to give us beautiful environments and give us garbage for personalizing our companions and main character.

 

Did you all spend years on making everything else pretty and 20 minutes on the rest? <shakes head>

 

You know what pops in my head when I see this crap in the game?

 

That Slicer in Bioshock, “Its Ugly! UGLY! “

[b10d1v]

Be Still my heart -you SEE the problems!  

Correct, we see what frostbite can do with realistic detail, rain falling on flowers, other flora and fauna for example, and are left thinking what happened with the characters?  An incomplete RPG module does not explain that away.  This is my point on program management, the scope of work that is missing or problemattic continues grow -they were easily 6 months behind schedule.

[StrangeStrategy]

Hair, Skyhold Outfit, Halamshiral Outfit : Bad.

Everything else? I loved it. Armor was great in this game, if you  asked me. I would have preferred some traditional mages robes (they're in game, we just can't use them) but other than that, expectations were met.

 

And really? You're using plaidweave as an example of ugly armor? Its SUPPOSED to look ugly, they need atleast one ridiculous material for those who want to look ridiculous. I dressed Vivienne up in Plaidweave... It was grand.

[rak72]

I wish they would go back to the old engine so this ugly junk could be modded out.

[b10d1v]

I understand your concern, but stepping backward is not a solution.  Modding is more complicated because games are more complex and we have learned that it takes dedication to structure to help prevent contention issues among other things.  DLC is that structure and the overhead is daunting, but a team can do this and there is no shortage of interested parties.  Bioware is fielding a few concepts today -if a moderator is watching, you can bet they have interest in the topic.

[Peregrinus]

I agree the enviroments are beatiful as are the characters within the game. However as much as there is beauty in this game there is just as much ugly.

 

Lets make a list shall we?

 

Armor:

 

We all have are own ideas on what is nice looking armor, but from reading a lot of feedback it seems like a majority of players are not happy with how armor looks in this game. Yes, it was bad in DA2 and yet for DAI instead of the developers looking at MODs and/or reading threads on what players are expecting they decided to continue their “Ugly Armor Streak.”

 

I for one play a mage and I am horrified even after several play-throughs of how ugly the armors are. My character has a choice what to wear: ugly, butt ugly or dear Maker what the hell is that?

 

Look at the Orlelisan Mage Armor you can purchase in Val R. It looks like Dragon Age’s own version of a Snuggie. 

 

Oh sure, the mage armor in The Hissing Wastes is the least ugly out of all of them, but you can see that ugly pj outfit showing through. Basically its just a coat with some hooker boots. Oh lovely. No five dollars please.

 

If the developers were using Skyrim for inspiration, why did they not use Betheda’s armor designs as inspiration too. .

 

Armor does not need to have ugly bits sticking out of it all over the place, like that ugly Kirkwall Champion Armor. Simple and nice can and does go a long way.

 

I also like to point out that apparently the developers did not listen to people when it comes to faction armor. I am NOT a Grey Warden, I do not need to wear or even get three damn drops of Warden Battlemage armor. Only thing it is good for is going to a store and selling it.

 

 

Skyhold Outfit:

 

Yep it has been said to death on how horrible this look is, but it needs to be said over and over until we get some sort of change.

 

Sure, there are MODs to fix this problem, but alas not everyone plays on the PC. 

 

So let me say this again: Developers the beiege PJ outfit is UGLY.

 

What is the solution?

 

First: Remove the “lock” not letting players choose what to wear while at Skyhold. Its idiotic to have it on.

 

Second: Remove the beige PJ outfit from the game all together and go back to the main character having under garments beneath their main outfit.  If a player wants to judge someone or run around Skyhold in their knickers-who cares.

 

Third: Add in a store allowing characters to purchase everyday clothing. People who role play would greatly appreciate this, me included.

 

 

Leathers and Fabrics:

 

The colors of leathers and fabrics are just down right awful. I spend more time making sure my armor looks good oppose to the stats it gives.

 

Like I really want my mage running around in a plaid boots, with a purple coat and some green mixed in. I am not The Joker.

 

But its not just the armor, its also weapons.  Like I really want to make Iron  Bull a sword from Dawnstone. Or have Cassandra run around in a shield that looks like it has layers of rust on it.

 

OK, fine you want to give leathers and cloths their own color, I can accept that. What I cannot accept is the fact you could not add in dyes to allow players to colorize their own armor.

 

An even better option would have been a separate table to apply whatever color you the player want on your armor. Just click the table and a window pulls up. On the side is boxes with different sections of your armor. Click on the section and a color wheel pops-up. You can even do this for your weapons too.

 

 

Hairstyles:

 

Sweet Maker! Developers what were you thinking? No really I want to know. The female hairstyles are beyond ugly, they are freaking ugly as hell.

 

If your concerned with clipping, I laugh at that. It would not be a Dragon Age game without running into clipping from other places. I for one rather endure hair clipping then having to choose between the current hairstyles.

 

One of my favorite hairstyles from the previous DA games was the parted straight shoulder length hair. It was simple and nice.

 

Now in DAI most of the female hairstyles look as if you took your character to a drunk barber and they used a weed whacker.

I for one was a bit horrified to find out that Lord Eramond had the same hairstyle I chose for my female Hawke. (face palms).

 

 

 

Enclosing I say this:

 

Bioware, your idea of nice looking is a smoke screen brought on smoking too many cheap crayons. As a player I willing to part with my soul just to see better of the above I mentioned.

 

You have a new engine, use it. There is no need to give us beautiful environments and give us garbage for personalizing our companions and main character.

 

Did you all spend years on making everything else pretty and 20 minutes on the rest? <shakes head>

 

You know what pops in my head when I see this crap in the game?

 

That Slicer in Bioshock, “Its Ugly! UGLY! “

I think some of the armor got relocated to multiplayer because even the basic sets looked better then the ones in single player.  

[N7 Spectre525]

I just want to know why all your companions have better armor than the damn main character. Blackwall,Bull,and Cass have better armor than my warrior inquisitor. I found the templar schematic and have had templar armor through most of the game because everything else is bland as hell.

[Vader20]

I agree the enviroments are beatiful as are the characters within the game. However as much as there is beauty in this game there is just as much ugly.

 

Lets make a list shall we?

 

Armor:

 

We all have are own ideas on what is nice looking armor, but from reading a lot of feedback it seems like a majority of players are not happy with how armor looks in this game. Yes, it was bad in DA2 and yet for DAI instead of the developers looking at MODs and/or reading threads on what players are expecting they decided to continue their “Ugly Armor Streak.”

 

I for one play a mage and I am horrified even after several play-throughs of how ugly the armors are. My character has a choice what to wear: ugly, butt ugly or dear Maker what the hell is that?

 

Look at the Orlelisan Mage Armor you can purchase in Val R. It looks like Dragon Age’s own version of a Snuggie. 

 

Oh sure, the mage armor in The Hissing Wastes is the least ugly out of all of them, but you can see that ugly pj outfit showing through. Basically its just a coat with some hooker boots. Oh lovely. No five dollars please.

 

If the developers were using Skyrim for inspiration, why did they not use Betheda’s armor designs as inspiration too. .

 

Armor does not need to have ugly bits sticking out of it all over the place, like that ugly Kirkwall Champion Armor. Simple and nice can and does go a long way.

 

I also like to point out that apparently the developers did not listen to people when it comes to faction armor. I am NOT a Grey Warden, I do not need to wear or even get three damn drops of Warden Battlemage armor. Only thing it is good for is going to a store and selling it.

 

 

 

All I want for my mage is to look like a mage.... If I want to look like a mage I need to be and elf wearing ancient elven armor. Now that might be the best looking armor ingame.

 

The rogue armors are kinda good, but they lack in variety and every armor lacks in variety which becomes annoying after a while.  Some NPC's wear armor and robe models from the previous games. Making those playable would make me happy.... Also, the hesarians have nice looking armor. Making the model playable would be great. Can you wear the type of armor that Alexius has ? No you can't. See, here is the problem. There are some good armor models ingame, but they are not playable.

[papercut_ninja]

...cause we all miss those mages caps from DA:O...

[Rizilliant]

Hair, Skyhold Outfit, Halamshiral Outfit : Bad.

Everything else? I loved it. Armor was great in this game, if you  asked me. I would have preferred some traditional mages robes (they're in game, we just can't use them) but other than that, expectations were met.

 

And really? You're using plaidweave as an example of ugly armor? Its SUPPOSED to look ugly, they need atleast one ridiculous material for those who want to look ridiculous. I dressed Vivienne up in Plaidweave... It was grand.

It looks like Toy Story imo.. Everything is shiny plastic.. And the Hair. omfg, the hair! Its EXACTLY like DA2 hair.. The beards dont touch the jawline, the hair is this ugly mouse paint linework, and ugh the plastic!

[I Miss Minsc]

The choices made were to accommodate the limitations of the consoles.

 

This game, made on a PC, to be utilized on a console, to be "Ported" back to a  PC.  .

 

If you want to see a vision based on PC tech, 'google STAR CITIZEN".

[rak72]

The worst was at the coming back from the final battle with Cory - I wanted to come walking back to the keep like I had just been in battle.  Instead I am in my neatly pressed and dry cleaned PJs

[metalfenix]

there are many beautiful armors on the game..same with some weapons, but bioware RUINED it with their IDIOTIC RNG loot system, wich makes many schematics almost impossible to obtain...and let's not forget about the materials that drop from enemies that come from veil rifts...holy mother of...andraste, there is no way to re-farm those materials.

[mutantspicy]

Completely agree with the OP.  As someone who has made armor models / textures for other games, I'm familar with what can be missed.  Its not hard to forget to QC all of the arm models and leg models and make sure there are no model gaps.  Its easy to screw up a transparency layer and create things like invisible shoulder straps.  Or have a completely mismatched resolution generic texture on the back side of shield for instance. Or screw up the animation bone locks in the Qunari hands.  

 

These things are easy to do, when you are guy like who me has made a few clothing armor mods in his free time.  But There are so many what look to be rookie mistakes in this game.  I have to agree they must not have had the time to QC they way should.  

 

As far as design choice, that's a matter of preference.  There are some good ones, and a lot of bad ones to my eyes.  And screw the pajamas.  I don't want to run around Skyhold nude, but give something appropriate to wear and yes if I want to take it off I should be able to.

 

I don't like the way they organized the mesh armor tables.  Why do any of the armors change appearance depending on who puts it on?  So for Iron Bull a certain Heavy Armor looks like a burlap sack but on Cassandra it looks similar to her original armor with some flair.  Defender Armor looks more like Iron Bull, but not always.  I get the idea that they want to have the companions to keep a certain look regardless of armor.  But that organization structure to seems like a recipe for confusion in the QC department.  Either override it completely or don't at all.  

 

That and who made the choices for what design goes with what armor, its a goofy structure.  For Instance, I can preview a Enchanter Robe on a rogue, and it looks pretty cool.  But none of prowler armors look that good.  WTF?

[Undead Han]

If the developers were using Skyrim for inspiration, why did they not use Betheda’s armor designs as inspiration too. .

 

I'm glad they didn't do that.

 

Armor that looks like it has random spikes coming out of it (I'm looking at you, Daedric armor) looks awful. So does most of the armor designs in Skyrim, as they lean towards a more outlandish video gamey style than realistic.

 

Armor designs that look realistic, or least practical, are the best armor designs. On that note I think the fantasy RPG with the best looking armor designs is The Witcher 2 or the upcoming The Witcher 3.

 

 

[Felya87]

I quite like the armour in this game, for all the classes. my problem is the idiotic casual drop of schematics and the little variety. (of course, as always, the good stuff goes to MP...  I'm more and more anti MP with every passing day) Or the ridicoulness of things: the scout armour for elves in females is the same as Merrill's who was a mage. This is already strange. Than appear the mage armour for female. Who have more pieces of armour than the scout armour. REALLY?!?! Someone confused the models while making the game?!?!

Colors are quite a problem: I love the red leather mage from young dragons, but sadly is very low in stat. And there isn't a decent substitute with similar color with highter valors. Quite sad.

 

The PJ should be burnt. and never mentioned again. There are so many casual outfit for the npc of every race. Why can't those be used by the player? or at least let us use out own armour in Skyhold!!!

 

The hairstyles are the worse seen in a BioWare game. ever. Thise time BioWare have successfully beaten ME in this departmant. And I thought it was impossibile. 

[Kiharani]

Sadly I have to agree. The style forced on the player is a style I just don`t really like. Then 95% of female hair, pajamas (pj`s that are actually the "core" of the inquisitors style I guess.), and the manly military halamshiral outfit I hate with passion. Yet the game is full of very nice, beautifull armor/outfits on companions and other npcs that I`d love to wear if I only could.

Actually I like all of the companions styles quite a lot, and seeing them makes me even more the ugly duckling .

The idea for player to be able to buy the"everyday clothing" the npcs wear is great, if we could equip it I would gladly wear it, whether or not it might clip in some combat poses, and if it had no AR, I`d lower my difficulty to be able to fight in style

Making outfits that have no opposite gender meshes to be gender restricted should be no problem either..

And true, even if the player wants to run around in their knickers or naked in a single player game, they should have that option too !

As the OP mentioned Skyrim...In Skyrim the player can equip maybe 98% of the outfits (&everything with mods), in DAI it seems to be allmost the opposite. Would have been better to go with that "all you see, you can wear" design choise than focus so much on the unique and personalized companions.

[Peregrinus]

I'm glad they didn't do that.

 

Armor that looks like it has random spikes coming out of it (I'm looking at you, Daedric armor) looks awful. So does most of the armor designs in Skyrim, as they lean towards a more outlandish video gamey style than realistic.

 

Armor designs that look realistic, or least practical, are the best armor designs. On that note I think the fantasy RPG with the best looking armor designs is The Witcher 2 or the upcoming The Witcher 3.

 

 

I have to agreed with you on this. I do like the armors for Skyrim but lot of them were impractical.  They were designed to look cool.  The characters in Witcher definitely wear cool but very functional armor.  I think You can have functional armor and still have it look amazing.  On a side note , I wonder if they are ever going to strip some of that armor from multiplayer and move them over to single player. 

[Undead Han]

I think this armor looks good:

 

 

It's just that there isn't a lot of variety.

[Peregrinus]

I think this armor looks good:

 

 

It's just that there isn't a lot of variety.

I've never seen that helmet in single player.  I personally like the Templar commander armor.  Unfortunately it doesn't take armor upgrades. 

[N7 Spectre525]

I've never seen that helmet in single player.  I personally like the Templar commander armor.  Unfortunately it doesn't take armor upgrades. 

Helm of the Inquistor. Its a dragon drop. There may be a schematic but i've yet to find it.

[Undead Han]

I've never seen that helmet in single player.  

 

The Greater Mistral Dragon (level 17) in the Emerald Graves always drops it. I believe that is the only place you can get the helmet as loot.

 

The schematic is a random tier 2 drop. It can show up as loot in any tier 2 chest. I've yet to see it, but people have posted they've gotten in tier 2 chests or boxes in various locations.

[spacefiddle]

Like I really want to make Iron  Bull a sword from Dawnstone. 

 

I agree with almost everything you said.  Like 96.7%.  There was a lot of "put more spikes on it" and "take the same leather boot we used for 5 other boot schematics, and for schem #6 slap a metal plate on it, and for #7 slap TWO metal plates on it" going around.

 

However, please don't blame the artists for this.  Every time I look at another schematic I was excited to see drop, then take back to Skyhold only to see it looks identical to three others I already have and don't like, the phrase "leverage existing art assets!" echoes through my head.

 

It's a magic phrase, you see.  A spell that summons Cost-Cutting demons, and generates Promotion Points for managers that use it.  Unfortunately it also does 5d6 Critical Damage to digital artists, and provides Protection from Creativity, but everything in a corporation is about costs, costs, costs.  It doesn't matter if it hurts you in the long run; that's a soft idea.  A line on the bottom of a spreadsheet that shows you can cut X hours from staff time who were creating content, which has a value of Y dollars, will win every time.

 

Managing a budget and controlling costs is inevitable, and necessary.  What's insane about it here is the game is designed around endless gathering and crafting.  Therefore that's the one area you should make sure really shines.  Instead, the game's focus on gathering and crafting only serves to highlight the lack of content in the crafted items.

 

The worst part is you can be sure that many, if not most, of the creative talent at Bioware argued this same point endlessly throughout development.  Probably some of their immediate management, too.  They brought it up in meetings, they made recommendations, they tried to push back.  I will guarantee you this, as a 20-year-plus veteran of the corporate world.  EA is unfortunately on the extreme end of the scale for this, and they've made a habit of acquiring and digesting some of the most creative teams in the industry.  It's criminal.

 

Edit: almost forgot!  The reason I chose that line from your post to quote.  Without spoiling it...  the stupid lack of banter bug plaguing lots of people, including me - it seems WORSE after patch 3, 3 hours with one banter ffs - may have made this hard for you to run across.  But:  Have both Blackwall and Iron Bull in your party.  Listen to them long enough, and you will discover it is actually totally appropriate to make Iron Bull a weapon (or armor) out of Dawnstone.  

[Peregrinus]

Helm of the Inquistor. Its a dragon drop. There may be a schematic but i've yet to find it.

Oh.. I've downed 4 dragons so far and I haven't seen anything worthwhile drop.. Maybe I'll get lucky. 

[spacefiddle]

I think this armor looks good:

 

...

 

It's just that there isn't a lot of variety.

 

Why does that armor have weird rawhide flaps sticking out of it that none of my mat choices change the color of?

 

No matter what colors you pick, you have the rawhide flaps sticking out at you, like a wagging ugly leather tongue going "Nyeah nyeah!  Thought you could customize your look?  bwahahahahahaha"

 

(That's a direct quote.)