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[thesuperdarkone2]

For those who don't understand, here's the ending in question:

 

http://youtu.be/fdaT9hu0Vr0?t=11m26s

 

 

In short, the ending says that after Leliana disbands the Circles, the conscripted mages decide to remain under the Inquisition's watch and form a new group called the Bright Hand which shows Thedas the very best the mages have to offer.

 

This ending appeals should appeal to both pro-mages and pro-templars. Pro-mages get the abolition of circles and the acceptance of mages while pro-templars get mages who are under Inquisition supervision so they don't have to worry about abominations or blood magic. This is also better than Cass' ending since unlike her ending, Leliana's version has no shadow war which implies that all mages from loyalists to liberatarians accept this and have peace.

 

Thoughts?

[Milan92]

Didn't we already have a thread about this?

 

I get that you love this ending and want everyone to love it too, but creating another thread just for this ending isn't really necessary.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Didn't we already have a thread about this?

 

I get that you love this ending and want everyone to love it too, but creating another thread just for this ending isn't really necessary.

My preferred ending is ally with mages with Leliana as Divine. Was just wondering how most other people would react seeing as it's likely not everyone saw that thread.

[crimzontearz]

Uhhhh I am wasting my warden's LI like that....

[Panda]

No it's worst nightmare and disaster that has happened in the Thedas.

 

Why in the world disband Circles? Why dismish templars? How in the world Inquisition could watch over mages better than templars? Why that would make mages suddenly mages free of threat of demon possession and using their magic wrongly?

[thesuperdarkone2]

Uhhhh I am wasting my warden's LI like that....

The devs outright said that if Leliana becomes Divine, she will change the rules for the Divine's celibacy so that she can openly be in a relationship with the Warden. So no, she will never break up with the Warden if she's Divine.

[Milan92]

Uhhhh I am wasting my warden's LI like that....

 

She thankfully doesn't break-up with the warden. It made her alot more attractive as Divine.

 

But I remain with my stance that her beign able to sway everyone just like that to be unrealistic and an insult to the DA universe.

[TheKomandorShepard]

No it's worst nightmare and disaster that has happened in the Thedas.

 

Why in the world disband Circles? Why dismish templars? How in the world Inquisition could watch over mages better than templars? Why that would make mages suddenly mages free of threat of demon possession and using their magic wrongly?

This her ending is in many way just way too unrealistic and i hope they will bring that to earth in next game.

 

Leliana ending is just good for those who wanted mages free but it ridiculously ignores huge price of that freedom and that it was complex problem.

[Hazegurl]

Damn, This sort of makes me wanna go back and conscript the mages since I'm planning on making Leliana divine again. I actually like the idea of both the Mages and Templars remaining within the Inquisition.

[crimzontearz]

The devs outright said that if Leliana becomes Divine, she will change the rules for the Divine's celibacy so that she can openly be in a relationship with the Warden. So no, she will never break up with the Warden if she's Divine.

WAAAAAAAIT a minute


Is that in the slides??? Or just word of god?

[Milan92]

WAAAAAAAIT a minute


Is that in the slides??? Or just word of god?

 

Word of Sheryl Chee and Patrick Weekes.

[Master Warder Z_]

Word of Sheryl Chee and Patrick Weekes.

Aka the two worst things to happen in the universe since Oghren.

[crimzontearz]

Word of Sheryl Chee and Patrick Weekes.

You know what ?


Now I am ****ing pissed


So it's 100% ok to provide word of god publicly and directly and very explicitly to the fans about Leliana's status with the warden if she becomes divine because, hey, in THEORY even according to other endings she SHOULD abandon him to follow her vows......but god freaking forbid that was done for Shepard and the breath scene.





Sighs....I need a shot....and I don't even drink

[Panda]

This her ending is in many way just way too unrealistic and i hope they will bring that to earth in next game.

 

Leliana ending is just good for those who wanted mages free but it ridiculously ignores huge price of that freedom and that it was complex problem.

 

Yep same. So huge problem just suddenly has conclusion without no downsides? That doesn't sound like Dragon Age to me ^^

 

I'm personally Pro-Circle, overall I think Vivienne would be best Divine in the bunch. But I also wonder why there is no Pro-Templar outcome, it sounds odd to have only Pro-Circle and Pro-Mage one's where Cass is somewhere between.

[Precursor Meta]

That sounds like a real goodie-two-unrealistic-ending. I much prefer Vivienne with allied templars. It's not the best or worst ending but I do find it the most interesting...

[Milan92]

You know what ?


Now I am ****ing pissed


So it's 100% ok to provide word of god publicly and directly and very explicitly to the fans about Leliana's status with the warden if she becomes divine because, hey, in THEORY even according to other endings she SHOULD abandon him to follow her vows......but god freaking forbid that was done for Shepard and the breath scene.





Sighs....I need a shot....and I don't even drink

 

Wasn't that because of different writers?

[thesuperdarkone2]

No it's worst nightmare and disaster that has happened in the Thedas.

 

Why in the world disband Circles? Why dismish templars? How in the world Inquisition could watch over mages better than templars? Why that would make mages suddenly mages free of threat of demon possession and using their magic wrongly?

For one thing, if you side with the mages, the Templar Order becomes corrupted and tries to help Corypheus conquer Thedas. That means that the Templars are pretty much hated. You can see this in comments even if you side with the Templars of some people who think the templars went too far and needed to be leashed.

 

As for how the Inquisition could rule better, for starters, the Inquisition isn't run by the Chantry so the rhetoric that mages are corrupt and evil simply for existing likely won't continue unless your inquisitor is meredith 2.0. Secondly, as stated by Cullen, the mages and templars start getting along as time goes on. The Inquisition would offer both safety and camraderie so the mages would likely enjoy staying seeing as how the Inquisition is now a power to be reckoned with. Also, there are options such as having hidden watchers or mage-fighting training. Don't forget how there is a school of magic dedicated to fighting other mages so mages are perfectly capable of fighting other mages. Don't forget how about the Seekers under Leliana or Cass who could stop any blood mages or abominations that occur. Also, there are practically no abominations among the free mages so the fear is seemingly just paranoia. As for blood magic, if the Inquisition isn't something to be feared, mages likely won't be forced to use forbidden magic to escape which considering the mages choose to remain, likely means peace.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Yep same. So huge problem just suddenly has conclusion without no downsides? That doesn't sound like Dragon Age to me ^^

 

I'm personally Pro-Circle, overall I think Vivienne would be best Divine in the bunch. But I also wonder why there is no Pro-Templar outcome, it sounds odd to have only Pro-Circle and Pro-Mage one's where Cass is somewhere between.

Maybe the devs are trying to say that being completely pro-templar is a bad decision. Why else would all endings give mages more freedom and weaken the Templars?

[crimzontearz]

Wasn't that because of different writers?

possibly different "art"

And no weekes was a lead in ME3, he did tell Holmes upon request that that was the intent but it was never straight up said to the fans like that which just drives me nuts

[TheKomandorShepard]

Maybe the devs are trying to say that being completely pro-templar is a bad decision. Why else would all endings give mages more freedom and weaken the Templars?

Not rly as i said claming that devs wanted push it as right choice just because they didn't gave players another is just ridiculous like claming that devs tried to say that supporting qunari is right choice because they didn't gave you option to take list from talis.

[Panda]

Maybe the devs are trying to say that being completely pro-templar is a bad decision. Why else would all endings give mages more freedom and weaken the Templars?

 

Why are they taken choice away from player and making their world black and white is my question on this.

[SgtSteel91]

About people complaining that Leliana's endings are too unrealistic...

 

She gets elected because of your choices in actions and conversations. As I see it, nearly everyone revers you as the "Herald of Andraste" (whether you like it or not) and they all look to you as an example of what Andraste and/or the Maker wants. Leliana gets elected (as in the majority of people support her and like her ideas) when you say or make actions that support Mage freedom and anti-Current!Chantry, things like allying with the Free Mages or saying things like "the Chantry as it is now is corrupt and needs to be destroyed and rebuilt from the ground up." When you say or do things like that, the people follow their Herald as well and want those things as well, even if it's simply because the Herald says so. In a sense, you lay the groundwork for Leliana's reforms working and general acceptance of Mages.

[TheKomandorShepard]

About people complaining that Leliana's endings are too unrealistic...

 

She gets elected because of your choices in actions and conversations. Nearly everyone revers you as the "Herald of Andraste" (whether you like it or not) and they all look to you as an example of what Andraste and/or the Maker wants. Leliana gets elected (as in the majority of people support her and like her ideas) when you say or make actions that support Mage freedom and anti-Current!Chantry, things like allying with the Free Mages or saying things like "the Chantry as it is now is corrupt and needs to be destroyed and rebuilt from the ground up." When you say or do things like that, the people follow their Herald as well and want that simply because the Herald says so. In a sense, you lay the groundwork for Leliana's reforms and acceptance of Mages.

That she was elected becase of your choices that could have nothing to do with her views means nothing and don't make her ending anymore realistic her ending fits to my little pony not dark fantasy game.

[thesuperdarkone2]

About people complaining that Leliana's endings are too unrealistic...

 

She gets elected because of your choices in actions and conversations. As I see it, nearly everyone revers you as the "Herald of Andraste" (whether you like it or not) and they all look to you as an example of what Andraste and/or the Maker wants. Leliana gets elected (as in the majority of people support her and like her ideas) when you say or make actions that support Mage freedom and anti-Current!Chantry, things like allying with the Free Mages or saying things like "the Chantry as it is now is corrupt and needs to be destroyed and rebuilt from the ground up." When you say or do things like that, the people follow their Herald as well and want things, even if it's simply because the Herald says so. In a sense, you lay the groundwork for Leliana's reforms working and general acceptance of Mages.

This. Don't forget that if you side with mages, imagine how the common people see it: The Templar Order abandons the Chantry and becomes Red Templars who murder innocent people and help a Darkspawn Magister nearly conquer Thedas while the mages work with the Herald of Andraste to close the Breach and fight Corypheus to save the world.

 

Plus, as mentioned before, since you are the Herald whether you like it or not, the sheeple believe that your actions are what the Maker wants. Thus, if you generally support mages, the Chantry and people would therefore assume that the Maker supports mage freedom.

[Snook]

The devs outright said that if Leliana becomes Divine, she will change the rules for the Divine's celibacy so that she can openly be in a relationship with the Warden. So no, she will never break up with the Warden if she's Divine.

Still doesn't sound like a very happy existence for the two of them. And with the potential to end horribly.

I'll take my non-Divine Leliana any day for this, tbh.