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[Master Warder Z_]

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At the very least, Bioware is never getting another Pre Order out of me again x.x

[AresKeith]

At the very least, Bioware is never getting another Pre Order out of me again x.x

That's more like it lol

[nightscrawl]

I didn't read the rest of the thread.

 

Quote from the video for those who don't want to watch.

When Leliana disbands the Circles, they remain with the Inquisition and form a new college called The Bright Hand. To many, this new order represents the best of mages; an example for the rest of Thedas to follow.

I'm not quite sure about the wording here, and what it ultimately means. The phrasing "they remain with the Inquisition" would be seeming to reference only the conscripted mage themselves, but there are a lot of other mages out there, as well as new mages that will be born and come into their power. Is this new college part of the Inquisition? So the Inquisition is now basically in charge of mages?

 

Before the rebellion there were over a dozen of Circles throughout southern Thedas. Not ALL of those Circle mages joined the mage rebellion and then the Inquisition. What happens to them?

 

I don't really see how the brief description in the epilog is satisfactory -- I don't expect it to be, but the OP seems to feel it is so, as I feel it is leaving out some key areas. Specifically magic gone wrong, and also the day-to-day running of a magical institution, such as collecting mage children, and how the institution will be integrated into society. One of the problems with the previous system was that mages were separated, allowing suspicion and fear to foster (with help from Chantry doctrine).

 

I also don't see, as the OP suggests, the pro-templar people being satisfied with this. I don't consider myself one, but I think they are needed in SOME capacity. Their skills in combating mages are too useful to be thrown aside. There will always be that one stupid, foolish mage who doesn't know what he is doing (All New, Faded for Her). There will always be that one arrogant mage that tries to meddle with forces he doesn't fully understand (Alexius). There will always be that one who is just batcrap crazy (Quentin). There will always be that one who thinks mundanes are no better than ants to be crushed under a magical boot (Tarohne). It only takes one for everything to break down and the peace that so many have worked for to crumble under pointing and shouting, "SEE, we knew they couldn't be trusted!"

 

THAT is why templars are needed. Just as in real life when you have the stupid, arrogant, insane, or malicious people that hurt others, you need the police to come fix it. This is how the templars should be used, away from the zealous Chantry. I believe we've seen enough "good" templars who have spoken out about wanting to protect people (including mages!) to feel that it could work.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Its clearly that the wiriters didnt know what the others wrote.
Cullen was promoted to Knight Commander after he helped stabilize the situation in Kirkwall, a few years later he was summoned by Lambert to a meeting and agreed to leave the Chantry to hunt mages, his man started using red lyrium and, if Hawke sided with the Templars, threatened the Viscount and in the end he chickened out from his decision to hunt mages and left the Templars to join the Inquisition.

- Its clear that when David Gaider wrote Asunder he didnt know Cullen was going to be a Templar Commander.
- His writer in DA:I didnt know all Templars Commanders went to the meeting with Lambert and agreed with him.
- The writer of "Here lies the abyss" didnt know he was the Templar Commander of Kirkwall and he/she needed Hawke to leave the city, the original explanation was going to be in the Exalted March, but since its was cancelled they needed a new one, and they screwed up.

You cant confront Cullen about it, so to me he either a completely idiot (if he didnt know about the red lyrium) or a coward who doesnt want his mistakes to be know. i would never trust the lives of the men in my arm to this incompetent person.

Welcome to Bioware writing.

[thesuperdarkone2]

So I guess Leliana with any ending is the worst ending for most.

LOL Your troll thread got closed quick. 0/10 Troll harder next time. You claim I'm a troll but you didn't see me making a thread blatantly insulting you.

[LobselVith8]

I didn't read the rest of the thread.

 

Quote from the video for those who don't want to watch.

I'm not quite sure about the wording here, and what it ultimately means. The phrasing "they remain with the Inquisition" would be seeming to reference only the conscripted mage themselves, but there are a lot of other mages out there, as well as new mages that will be born and come into their power. Is this new college part of the Inquisition? So the Inquisition is now basically in charge of mages?

 

Before the rebellion there were over a dozen of Circles throughout southern Thedas. Not ALL of those Circle mages joined the mage rebellion and then the Inquisition. What happens to them?

 

It seemed to be the former Circle mages who followed Grand Enchanter Fiona in separating from the Chantry join the Inquisition if the Inquisitor allies with them, and potentially the Loyalists if the Inquisitor allied with Vivienne in Orlais. I know some former Circle mages joined the Anderfel Wardens. Those who didn't perish are likely in hiding (as we encounter one apostate who wanted nothing to do with the rebellion).

 

The College of Enchanters seems to be an independent organization, likely aimed at teaching mages to properly use their powers without being under Chantry control (which is basically the point of the Magi Boon, except on a grander scale).

 

I don't really see how the brief description in the epilog is satisfactory -- I don't expect it to be, but the OP seems to feel it is so, as I feel it is leaving out some key areas. Specifically magic gone wrong, and also the day-to-day running of a magical institution, such as collecting mage children, and how the institution will be integrated into society. One of the problems with the previous system was that mages were separated, allowing suspicion and fear to foster (with help from Chantry doctrine).

 

In the Epilogue with the College, it's mentioned that mages are gaining unprecedented acceptance, and that the College is focused on finding solutions to age-old problems. I don't see how that's unsatisfactory for people who support mage autonomy from the Chantry.

 

I also don't see, as the OP suggests, the pro-templar people being satisfied with this. I don't consider myself one, but I think they are needed in SOME capacity. Their skills in combating mages are too useful to be thrown aside. There will always be that one stupid, foolish mage who doesn't know what he is doing (All New, Faded for Her). There will always be that one arrogant mage that tries to meddle with forces he doesn't fully understand (Alexius). There will always be that one who is just batcrap crazy (Quentin). There will always be that one who thinks mundanes are no better than ants to be crushed under a magical boot (Tarohne). It only takes one for everything to break down and the peace that so many have worked for to crumble under pointing and shouting, "SEE, we knew they couldn't be trusted!"

 

I'd agree that pro-templar players would likely not be satisfied with Leliana's reforms as Divine, and I think that's been made quite clear in some of the posts within this thread. To each their own, of course.

 

THAT is why templars are needed. Just as in real life when you have the stupid, arrogant, insane, or malicious people that hurt others, you need the police to come fix it. This is how the templars should be used, away from the zealous Chantry. I believe we've seen enough "good" templars who have spoken out about wanting to protect people (including mages!) to feel that it could work.

 

There are templars under Cullen's command within the Inquisition, and Cassandra potentially reforms the Seekers of Truth (likely as an independent organization, if Leliana becomes the new Divine). The templars are simply dissolved as a militant arm of the Chantry of Andraste, instead serving a neutral and independent organization.

[TheJediSaint]

Cassandra as divine makes for the best ending because Cassandra looks hot in her Divine Victoria outfit.

[Eliastion]

There is a dwarven Brother in DAO and elven Sister in DA2. Something Leliana's writers seems to have forgotten.

The brother/sister is the lowest rank, in some cases it doesn't involve taking any vows: lay sisters/brothers ("guests" like Leliana before Origins) and "affirmed" that help with the chantry and stick around but are pretty much free to quit and do whatever.

There are also "initiates": Templars, clerics and the like - those who have taken the vows, though are not (yet) considered actual priesthood, as I see it. They are part of the Chantry bound by their vows but that's about it. They're scholars or templars or administration, they may have some serious influence - but they aren't really priests. The real priesthood begins with Mothers - and that's the place for human females only - it's conceivable that below that rank there can be some non-humans and that doesn't violate the "human only" priesthood rule (just as it doesn't violate "female only" restriction).

 

 

 

In all of this there is one interesting special case though - brother Burkel that obviously needs some extraordinary permissions to do what he does, being not only a dwarf, but also male - yet in "his" chantry in Orzammar he obviously takes on the role of local Revered Mother... But I really don't think we can draw conclusions from this - he's obviously a special one-of-a-kind oddity.

...or - sudden thought - it could be that he actually is a member of Tevinter chantry, now that would be a twist But I doubt it.

[AresKeith]

Cassandra as divine makes for the best ending because Cassandra looks hot in her Divine Victoria outfit.

 

Warrior Divine >>>>> 

[thesuperdarkone2]

Warrior Divine >>>>> 

Not every problem can be solved with force. If it could, we wouldn't need Josephine or Leliana.

[TheJediSaint]

Not every problem can be solved with force. If it could, we wouldn't need Josephine or Leliana.

Nonsense.  Force can solve any problem provided you use enough of it.

[Br3admax]

Cory got the jump because reasons. 

 

"Hey why are there Grey Wardens here?"

"Because...darkspawn..and blood magic."

"Seems legit to me." 

[AresKeith]

Not every problem can be solved with force. If it could, we wouldn't need Josephine or Leliana.

 

Who needs force when Cassandra can just punch the leader into fear

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Punch naysayers in the face. Punch bears in the face. Punch dragons in the face. Give to the poor. F*ck big red hats.

 

Cassandra for Divine 9:42. 

[thesuperdarkone2]

Who needs force when Cassandra can just punch the leader into fear

Then why does Cass use diplomacy against the rival sects?

[AresKeith]

Then why does Cass use diplomacy against the rival sects?

 

Because you can't take sarcasm 

[thesuperdarkone2]

Because you can't take sarcasm 

Considering some people have said the exact same thing and are completely serious, I'm not surprised by what some people say.

[AresKeith]

Punch naysayers in the face. Punch bears in the face. Punch dragons in the face. Give to the poor. F*ck big red hats.

 

Cassandra for Divine 9:42. 

 

Divine Cassandra + Inquisition  

 

 

[thesuperdarkone2]

Divine Cassandra + Inquisition

 

 

Guess those mindless, horrific, and ugly monsters are templar supporters. Knew that's what they look like.

[AresKeith]

Guess those mindless, horrific, and ugly monsters are templar supporters. Knew that's what they look like.

 

Like people stay dead in Mortal Kombat

[thesuperdarkone2]

Like people stay dead in Mortal Kombat

Except for Hsu Hao.

[raging_monkey]

Guess those mindless, horrific, and ugly monsters are templar supporters. Knew that's what they look like.

Im no fan of templars but too far

[AresKeith]

Guess those mindless, horrific, and ugly monsters are templar supporters. Knew that's what they look like.

 

So now you edited your post to insult people