And every of that societies are primitive ,small and handle few mages in in contrast to major societies where mages are disliked.
The last time I checked, Rivain weren't exactly a "small primitive society". And it was precisely the Chantry and Templars that created the problem there, not the mages and/or "normal people".
Not rly it was nothing more than dangerous sect that was creating abomnations and worshiping them they were nothing more than bunch of lunatics than actual society it says as much as corypheus followers.
And that's precisely what we mean by "Chantry spreading hate" - any magical practise (even on the scale of a freaking country!) outside of what Chantry considers proper is being "nothing more than bunch of lunatics than actual society".
Sorry that they have different culture, practice magic differently and don't conform to chantry's vision of what magic should be like.
The last time I checked, Rivain weren't exactly a "small primitive society". And it was precisely the Chantry and Templars that created the problem there, not the mages and/or "normal people".
Whole rivian don't count at all only small sects that whorship abomnations civilized follows chantry and another regions qun thus circle that sadly become corrupted.
And that's precisely what we mean by "Chantry spreading hate" - any magical practise (even on the scale of a freaking country!) outside of what Chantry considers proper is being "nothing more than bunch of lunatics than actual society".
Sorry that they have different culture, practice magic differently and don't conform to chantry's vision of what magic should be like.
Eee no it is called dangerous outlaws that present threat to society with their dangerous rituals those peoples were nothing more than lunatics ready to their society and every other be destroyed in name of mages (in fact not even mages just an abomnations) same as corypheus whorshipers.
Ok, so at least we've got that clear:
"Chantry is right because if your views are different than those of the Chantry, you're a dangerous lunatic." I can understand how that kind of thinking is comforting, but I can't really agree with that, sorry.
Also, as for
Whole rivian don't count at all only small sects that whorship abomnations civilized follows chantry and another regions qun thus circle that sadly become corrupted.
I dare to disagree:
The Chant of Light never truly reached the ears of these people. Resistance to the Chant goes deeper than the Qunari Wars. The Rivaini refuse to be parted from their seers, wise women who are in fact hedge mages, communicating with spirits and actually allowing themselves to be possessed. The Chantry prohibition against such magical practices violates millennia of local tradition. - World of Thedas, vol. 1
Ok, so at least we've got that clear:
"Chantry is right because if your views are different than those of the Chantry, you're a dangerous lunatic." I can understand how that kind of thinking is comforting, but I can't really agree with that, sorry.
Also, as for
I dare to disagree:
The Chant of Light never truly reached the ears of these people. Resistance to the Chant goes deeper than the Qunari Wars. The Rivaini refuse to be parted from their seers, wise women who are in fact hedge mages, communicating with spirits and actually allowing themselves to be possessed. The Chantry prohibition against such magical practices violates millennia of local tradition. - World of Thedas, vol. 1
Chantry is right because those sects are bunch of lunatics that are fine with creating bunch of abomnations and causing them destruction and by that showing they are in fact nothing but brainwashed lunatics as i said you are arguing that inquisition should leave corypheus cult becaue mages.
That is most what primitive tribes follow if rivian followed that chantry would burn them to the ground pretty much they dealt with corrupted circle so no i doubt that is accepted in something other than smaller societies.
And where EXACTLY did Rivain mages "create bunch of abominations and caused them destruction"? And are you aware that Rivain and Chasind (the latter can be considered primitive, I give you that) actually have means of reliably exorcising demons instead of just killing of possessed people?
Och, and Chantry did actually burn the Circle to the ground when it learned that it was following Rivain way rather than the Chantry way.
And where EXACTLY did Rivain mages "create bunch of abominations and caused them destruction"? And are you aware that Rivain and Chasind (the latter can be considered primitive, I give you that) actually have means of reliably exorcising demons instead of just killing of possessed people?
Och, and Chantry did actually burn the Circle to the ground when it learned that it was following Rivain way rather than the Chantry way.
Abomnations are dangerous unstable monsters that is what your little cult creates and in fact that is pretty much part of their dogma to accept destruction caused by abomnations what in fact shows they are lunatics.Also now you are throwing ass pulls from nowhere.
I know that is why i pointed that as an example?
"Abominations are dangerous and unstable monsters" - like Wynne, you mean? You know nothing about spirits or Rivaini magic, I don't believe we have any accounts of them "accepting destructioncaused by aboiminations". What we know is that they confer with spirits and have means to kick a spirit out of a mage if it becomes a problem - something Chantry mages just have little to no idea about.
If anything, I'd say that the risk of encountering an actual destructive abomination is lower than in case of andrastian mages, since huge part of the risk is lack of understanding of how spirits and demons work and how to handle them.
Wynne is in fact prove that it is true as she went on rampage in asunder same for anders and yes they belive in that.LoL from where you even take your informations because i never saw thing that in rivian they can heal mage from demonic possession and if not proven it will be yet another your ass-pull.
Wynne is the only exemple of "good abomination", all others were bad."Abominations are dangerous and unstable monsters" - like Wynne, you mean? You know nothing about spirits or Rivaini magic, I don't believe we have any accounts of them "accepting destructioncaused by aboiminations". What we know is that they confer with spirits and have means to kick a spirit out of a mage if it becomes a problem - something Chantry mages just have little to no idea about.
If anything, I'd say that the risk of encountering an actual destructive abomination is lower than in case of andrastian mages, since huge part of the risk is lack of understanding of how spirits and demons work and how to handle them.
Wynne is the only exemple of "good abomination", all others were bad.
Look at Anders, he allowed Justice to possess him, his rage corrupted Justice in to Vengeance and because of this he murdered hundreds of people.
The main difference here is that it was Anders who corrupted Justice, not the other way around. Usually with abominations it's the demon corrupting the host.
And if he could unknowingly corrupt Justice, the same could have happened to Wynne.The main difference here is that it was Anders who corrupted Justice, not the other way around. Usually with abominations it's the demon corrupting the host.
Prepare to be disappointed then. There are societies in Thedas which prove that such a conflict is not inevitable (Rivain, Dalish, Chasind).
All ruled by mages. That is part of the problem.
Unlike those societies, Andrastian societies were built by men seeking to be free from magic. "Magic must serve men and never rule over him" is one of their foundations. They won't passively accept magic dominance as others have done.
"Abominations are dangerous and unstable monsters" - like Wynne, you mean? You know nothing about spirits or Rivaini magic, I don't believe we have any accounts
of them "accepting destructioncaused by aboiminations". What we know is that they confer with spirits and have means to kick a spirit out of a mage if it becomes a problem - something Chantry mages just have little to no idea about.
If anything, I'd say that the risk of encountering an actual destructive abomination is lower than in case of andrastian mages, since huge part of the risk is lack of understanding of how spirits and demons work and how to handle them.
Actually, he is right.
Traditional rivaini culture treats Abominations as if they are natural disasters, no different from an earthquake. An obviously irresponsible and passive attitude that frees mages from taking responsibilities for their actions and mistakes.
Why people use the Dalish to show how mages can be free?Prepare to be disappointed then. There are societies in Thedas which prove that such a conflict is not inevitable (Rivain, Dalish, Chasind).
The OP sounds rather dillusional.
I love leilana, she was one of my favourite characters in origins, and i really like her in inquisition too. But her as divine has got to be the most absurd thing ever.
First i entertained the thought till it got to the point where it says "do you support her" even though i dont like getting the "disapprove" i had to click "not support" everything she said about what she would do as divine just makes her sound like a naive child.
Free the mages? then who the hell would protect people from children/new mages when they start talking to demons? sure there could be groups of mages who would take new mages but will it be stable? hell no, and then who would regulate such groups of mages? they will end up dominating the continent, and theres more and more possibilies these ones i just came up with in seconds.
I do like her racial equality thing, but thats just a small bonus when im sure viv/cass would likely try to do something similar.
I don't think the OP understands the dragon age lore and what mages are really like. If you did the solas quests then you would see what happens when mages just run around without any templars buddy.
Do us a favor and please play dragon age 1 and 2 so you understand the dangers of what mages are and are capable of.
(Oh and I played a mage myself but it doesnt mean moronic mages should be set free upon the world, just as viv sees it. And why would you think the templars rebelling a bad thing? just get rid of em and make a new templar order who arent a bunch of bastards. Though i dont agree with vivenne being a good choice either, because she would just try to make things go back to normal and lavish in wealth/stature)
Why people use the Dalish to show how mages can be free?
In DAO, a Dalish Mage made the werewolf curse, how many lives it destroyed?
In Awekening, Velanna goes on a killing spree, how many she killed in anger?
In DA2, Merrill was going to unleash Audacity, to save her Marethari allowed him to possess her, it can lead her clan to be destroyed.
In TME, the Dalish summoned Imshael, it led to the entire clan being wipped.
Many lives were lost because they were free, how many people could be saved if they were in the Circles?
and that's after they throw out spare mages into the wild
All ruled by mages. That is part of the problem.
Unlike those societies, Andrastian societies were built by men seeking to be free from magic. "Magic must serve men and never rule over him" is one of their foundations. They won't passively accept magic dominance as others have done.
People obviously accept Vivienne as the divine, why would they have a problem with an arl or a marquis who is a mage?
They don't accept Vivienne as Divine. They just can't stop her, and when she reinstates the Templars and the Circles, they just go on to ignore the fact she's a mage.
As for the rest of what you said, considering what we know about literally every mage run society, I see no reason to let mages rule ever again. It takes a lot of leaps and hoops to ignore history.
Southern Thedas has a thousand years of mage prejudice forcing them into the Circles, preceded by a period of time where mages were simply murdered out of hand, preceded by a time period where mages tormented and murdered their way across the continent and were responsible for the single greatest threat to life on Thedas in existence.Prepare to be disappointed then. There are societies in Thedas which prove that such a conflict is not inevitable (Rivain, Dalish, Chasind).
I prefer Leliana as the new Divine with allied mages. The best thing is that she assassinates the opposition.
The non-Chantry, non-Qunari Rivaini don't live in harmony with mages, they are ruled by them (and still admit problems with abominations).
Where exactly did you hear this?
I prefer Leliana as the new Divine with allied mages. The best thing is that she assassinates the opposition.
Agreed.
It's funny that the character in the game with the most balls is a female.
Agreed.
It's funny that the character in the game with the most balls is a female.
And a red lyrium statue.
If you want a society that features prominent mages without giving them leadership positions, you have the Avvars (and sorry, I mixed things up, they're also the ones with explicitly stated anti-possession tricks, not Chasind; though I'm pretty sure Rivain has it too, though I can't find the source where I read it).
Another possible example would be the Dales (Keepers became the de-facto leaders only at some point after the fall) though that doesn't count as "normal humans" living in harmony with mages 
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And, frankly, when it comes to history, every single significant society out there were pretty awful, so it's hardly a proof of mage-rulers being at fault...
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