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[raging_monkey]

great so the scout goes in, gets mauled by an abomination and now they are one more down and still in the dark

*imagines templar mauled by abomination* hehe please can i see tgis XD

[Eliastion]

if they can't do anything to stop it, yeah.

 

Rivaini tradition is in favor of the Seers, a good way to end up degrading head/neck integrity is to trample all over the traditions of people you rule

Or perhaps the seers are just adept enough in matters of spirits and demons that abominations are a rare occurance and when they appear, there are people who know how to handle them AND reliable ways to identify possessed people.

Them being extremely adept in magic concerning spirits is canon, as Inquisitor you use your contacts to import an amulet for Cole to protect him from blood magic.

[Hellion Rex]

If they can actually fry any abomination who became a viable threat, that means that they handle abominations better than templars and slave-Circles of Southern Thedas, meaning their system is better, you know?

By fry, I mean blood magic. On top of being extremely powerful mages, they also have blood magic as an indomitable backup.

[Hellion Rex]

And why are they adept? Could it be that they do not view magic as a curse? Could it be that they do not limit their students? Vints are not the only ones who are adept btw, so yes, yes I can use them. 

It doesn't have a damn thing to do with their methodology. Yes, they don't limit their students, but their ability to freely use blood magic is what sets them above pretty much everybody else in Thedas.

[Steelcan]

Or perhaps the seers are just adept enough in matters of spirits and demons that abominations are a rare occurance and when they appear, there are people who know how to handle them AND reliable ways to identify possessed people.

Them being extremely adept in magic concerning spirits is canon, as Inquisitor you use your contacts to import an amulet for Cole to protect him from blood magic.

and I say letting abominations run a nation is a bad idea because the potential danger is so great

[The Baconer]

if they can't do anything to stop it, yeah.

 

They can stop it, at least within their own seat of power, but they didn't. In fact, abomination rampages occurring would give them a good excuse to get wider support for the endeavor of bringing the country more in line with Chantry law, like what they did with the Qunari population.

[Hellion Rex]

and I say letting abominations run a nation is a bad idea because the potential danger is so great

Yeah...Rivaini seers are pretty much a no, in my opinion, for running Rivain.

[Steelcan]

They can stop it, at least within their own seat of power, but they didn't. In fact, abomination rampages occurring would give them a good excuse to get wider support for the endeavor of bringing the country more in line with Chantry law, like what they did with the Qunari population.

that endeavor would require blood and treasure on a large scale, not to mention the damage a force led by abominations could do before Chantry forces arrived in force

[EmissaryofLies]

It doesn't have a damn thing to do with their methodology. Yes, they don't limit their students, but their ability to freely use blood magic is what sets them above pretty much everybody else in Thedas.

 

So they have academies, likely do not suffer from outbreaks of abominations, and they freely use blood magic....

 

While the Southern Circles make mistake after mistake and suffer from resistances and a Chantry too cowardly to use such knowledge to their own advantage, even when they need it most.

 

Pathetic.

[Eliastion]

and I say letting abominations run a nation is a bad idea because the potential danger is so great

Mages, not abominations. They're not Seekers of Truth, they're not possessed by spirits all the time, just during certain rituals. Also, using the term "abomination" for spirit possession is a bit misleading.

 

Oh, and benefits of magic available to every village are apparently greater than danger.

[Steelcan]

So they have academies, likely do not suffer from outbreaks of abominations, and they freely use blood magic....

 

While the Southern Circles make mistake after mistake and suffer from resistances and a Chantry too cowardly to use such knowledge to their own advantage, even when they need it most.

 

Pathetic.

No they just slaughter thousands of non mages in blood rituals

 

we also don't know about the incidences of abominations

[EmissaryofLies]

why would they even need to send in a scout?  They know the situation, Circle fallen, abominations everywhere

 

But they weren't everywhere or Wynne and company (which included apprentices and kids) would not have survived.

[Steelcan]

Mages, not abominations. They're not Seekers of Truth, they're not possessed by spirits all the time, just during certain rituals. Also, using the term "abomination" for spirit possession is a bit misleading.

 

Oh, and benefits of magic available to every village are apparently greater than danger.

Abominations, Anders was a mage who let a spirit into himself, and he drove it into a demon and blew up hundred of innocent people

 

The danger is there and should be neutralized

[Steelcan]

But they weren't everywhere or Wynne and company (which included apprentices and kids) would not have survived.

yes, a few managed to not get killed, the templars don't know that, nor do they have reason to suspect its the case

[EmissaryofLies]

No they just slaughter thousands of non mages in blood rituals

 

we also don't know about the incidences of abominations

 

So what? What does that have to do with knowledge and using it for the betterment of the South?

 

But we know that they are currently warring with the Qunari while splinter groups they do not even support make way in the South.

 

It does not seem to be a problem either way.

 

Edit: Also, the South will use blood magic for phylacteries to shackle mages but they won't study it to figure out how to thwart it, you know, just in case an Uldred pops up.

 

Pathetic.

[The Baconer]

that endeavor would require blood and treasure on a large scale, not to mention the damage a force led by abominations could do before Chantry forces arrived in force

 

So, what, the cost of permitting mages (possessed mages no less) to rule over men is actually preferable to the cost of doing what's right? The Chantry has marched on a far stronger power, Tevinter, to try and combat this.

[Eliastion]

Abominations, Anders was a mage who let a spirit into himself, and he drove it into a demon and blew up hundred of innocent people

 

The danger is there and should be neutralized

The hate was his, not spirit's and there are plenty examples proving that perfectly not-possessed people are capable of killing hundreds of innocent people.

[Master Warder Z_]

So, what, the cost of permitting mages (possessed mages no less) to rule over men is actually preferable to the cost of doing what's right? The Chantry has marched on a far stronger power, Tevinter, to try and combat this.

 

Its an annoying gap in the consistency of the lore.

[Steelcan]

So what? What does that have to do with knowledge and using it for the betterment of the South?

 

But we know that they are currently warring with the Qunari while splinter groups they do not even support make way in the South.

 

It does not seem to be a problem either way.

 

Edit: Also, the South will use blood magic for phylacteries to shackle mages but they won't study it to figure out how to thwart it, you know, just in case an Uldred pops up.

 

Pathetic.

Seriously? So what if Tevinter kills thousands of innocent people in rituals designed to fuel destructive magic that is cast on each other as often as Qunari......

 

The South has a counter to Blood Magic, the Littany of Adrala so clearly study is allowed

[Eliastion]

yes, a few managed to not get killed, the templars don't know that, nor do they have reason to suspect its the case

Those "few" apparently numbered in hundreds, seeing as the expeditionary forces from saved Circle were around 24% of what Orzammar sent number-wise.

[Steelcan]

So, what, the cost of permitting mages (possessed mages no less) to rule over men is actually preferable to the cost of doing what's right? The Chantry has marched on a far stronger power, Tevinter, to try and combat this.

it could simply not be worth the effort to muster forces for.  Calling the armies of NATO to together to rip apart Nation X is feasible, but there's no real reason to do it beyond moralizing 

[Steelcan]

Those "few" apparently numbered in hundreds, seeing as the expeditionary forces from saved Circle were around 24% of what Orzammar sent number-wise.

can't really use gameplay as an argument

[Master Warder Z_]

The South has a counter to Blood Magic, the Littany of Adrala so clearly study is allowed

 

By a former Tevinter Magi no less

 

Oh the irony.

[Steelcan]

The hate was his, not spirit's and there are plenty examples proving that perfectly not-possessed people are capable of killing hundreds of innocent people.

Putting spirits in humans ends poorly

 

You'd think cutting down on avoidable deaths would be good

[Eliastion]

can't really use gameplay as an argument

Then don't talk about "few" or "around six mages" left since the scope of Circle, just as the scope of Battle of Denerim were obviously greatly reduced for gameplay reasons.