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So I guess Leliana with conscripted mages is the best ending for most.


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Then don't talk about "few" or "around six mages" left since the scope of Circle, just as the scope of Battle of Denerim were obviously greatly reduced for gameplay reasons.

Its canon that most of the mages perished in the crisis, Wynne mentions that they will need to be repopulated from other CIrcles



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Putting spirits in humans ends poorly

 

You'd think cutting down on avoidable deaths would be good

That's what Seers are doing with their magic. You know, healing, predicting disasters, possibly controlling weather. Letting them do their job is exactly what cuts down on avoidable deaths, deaths caused by reasons much more common than abomination's rampage: droughts, floods, sickness, hunger, wounds that can get infected with primitive non-magical treatment...



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That's what Seers are doing with their magic. You know, healing, predicting disasters, possibly controlling weather. Letting them do their job is exactly what cuts down on avoidable deaths, deaths caused by reasons much more common than abomination's rampage: droughts, floods, sickness, hunger, wounds...

And going on rampages as abominations are wont to do



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Its canon that most of the mages perished in the crisis, Wynne mentions that they will need to be repopulated from other CIrcles

Most. Now think for a moment how many mages whole Ferelden actually has. With "most" gone the remaining survivors can very well count in hundreds.



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it could simply not be worth the effort to muster forces for.  Calling the armies of NATO to together to rip apart Nation X is feasible, but there's no real reason to do it beyond moralizing 

 

How could there be no real reason to do it, unless traditional Rivaini practices have proven to be no more "harmful" than Chantry law as-written?



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Eh you can even bring up the small amount of mages to Irving and he flat out says you don't need a lot to do massive damage.

 

It's why the king only got 12 of em.


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How could there be no real reason to do it, unless traditional Rivaini practices have proven to be no more "harmful" than Chantry law as-written?

because people are lazy?  Not inclined to spend money on a moral adventure?  Don't care enough to actually enforce the Chantry's edicts?



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And going on rampages as abominations are wont to do

Not sure what you said here, grammar is important.



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because people are lazy?  Not inclined to spend money on a moral adventure?  Don't care enough to actually enforce the Chantry's edicts?

Or unwilling to give in to prejudice to go against a system that actually works, unlike what the Chantry has to offer?



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Most. Now think for a moment how many mages whole Ferelden actually has. With "most" gone the remaining survivors can very well count in hundreds.

Yet we find six....

 

However I will admit that's a gameplay number, but I doubt they are meant to represent several hundred.  We only ever encounter one more living mage who is clearly not representative of hundreds



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Or unwilling to give in to prejudice to go against a system that actually works, unlike what the Chantry has to offer?


Booooooo!

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Not sure what you said here, grammar is important.

wont is a verb you know



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Or unwilling to give in to prejudice to go against a system that actually works, unlike what the Chantry has to offer?

if the Chantry made a serious effort at cleansing this heresy it'd be gone, there just appears to be a lack of will to carry it out



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because people are lazy?  Not inclined to spend money on a moral adventure?  Don't care enough to actually enforce the Chantry's edicts?

 

How could such a thing be considered a mere "moral adventure"? People point to the unleashing of the Blights upon the entire world as one of the potential costs becoming realized. Is that not the case in Rivain?

 

The Rivaini monarchy, and their Chantry, viewed the practice of the Qun as such a significant threat as to purge its practitioners by the sword, even though that broke the established treaties and could have dragged Thedas into another war with the Qunari. On paper, should possessed mages governing people be even more of an immediate threat?



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Yet we find six....

 

However I will admit that's a gameplay number, but I doubt they are meant to represent several hundred.  We only ever encounter one more living mage who is clearly not representative of hundreds

And how many living mages do we encounter at all, including mage Origin? Yet the circle obviously must house a couple hundreds mages at least, unless we assume that 90% are apostates...

 

Frankly, those gameplay compressions give me a headake when I try to somehow put the pieces together, but I guess it's unavoidable if the game is supposed to let you wander around any castle, town, city or village :/ 

And admittedly, consistency is sometimes... disputable at best. I once looked at map of Denerim and tried to guess how many elves actually lived in the Alienage (based on canonical total) - seems like it has to be a couple thousands, yet it's implied as if the elder pretty much knows everyone... Games and numbers don't go too well hand in hand. :/ 



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Lore discrepancies.

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wont is a verb you know

You're right, I stand corrected. 

Then I'll just correct you in turn - they are wont to get possessed by spirits during rituals, not go on rampages - which is quite obvious seeing that there is a stable society with high opinions on magic and a seer (plus apprentices) in every village.



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On a side note:

I wonder when was the last time I've seen a thread so derailed :P 



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Seriously? So what if Tevinter kills thousands of innocent people in rituals designed to fuel destructive magic that is cast on each other as often as Qunari......

 

The South has a counter to Blood Magic, the Littany of Adrala so clearly study is allowed

 

Yet the Templars/Seekers do not use it and prefer to be victims of it instead? Lambert being the only mentioned exception. No other mages but Niall having possession of it... Something does not add up.



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Yet the Templars/Seekers do not use it and prefer to be victims of it instead? Lambert being the only mentioned exception. No other mages but Niall having possession of it... Something does not add up.

Plot induced stupidity/intelligence


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Plot induced stupidity/intelligence

Isn't it that the Litany is in fact a magical item rather than a prayer? If so, perhaps a couple copies exist, but with no one able to reproduce it (as it would require extensive - even if only theoretical - study of blood magic)... 



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So they have academies, likely do not suffer from outbreaks of abominations, and they freely use blood magic....

While the Southern Circles make mistake after mistake and suffer from resistances and a Chantry too cowardly to use such knowledge to their own advantage, even when they need it most.

Pathetic.

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't Fenris mention that he has seen a TI circle annuled before, if you side with the Templars. As I recall he says that the line is just located in a different place for them. So they are not immune to abominations, they just have a higher tolerance for practices that may produce them.

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Psycho ****** that bends reality to her will not mention pretty much her portrait in this game.
 
 

I would say leliana cus liara never bend reality to her will like leliana did in her epilogue.


If Leliana were a character you're not allowed to disagree with as it's the case with mary sues, you wouldn't be able to change her.

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Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't Fenris mention that he has seen a TI circle annuled before, if you side with the Templars. As I recall he says that the line is just located in a different place for them. So they are not immune to abominations, they just have a higher tolerance for practices that may produce them.

 

It still doesn't affect their overall strength, even if true. 

 

Not to mention that Dorian would have likely mentioned such happenings if they were actually a problem. Seeing as he's fairly forthcoming with Tevinter's perceived faults. 

 

So it's ultimately a coin flip. But given Tevinter's strength, I find problems with abominations to be unlikely.