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[thesuperdarkone2]

Enjoy your inevitable retcon

Enjoy Leliana's ending making your choice wrong and/or Cass and Vivienne's endings being retconned so that mages get freedom anyway and the templars get disbanded.

[Br3admax]

I didn't say Leliana was the best choice 

 

*Looks at the title of this thread. 

 

Btw, better than everything else means best, homeslice. 

[TobiTobsen]

Leliana either convinces her critics to see things her way or executes them. Not a problem either way.

 

I think it's rather funny that you're okay with Leliana executing everybody who disagrees with her, but firmly comdemn it when Gaspard acts in the same way.

[thesuperdarkone2]

I think it's rather funny that you're okay with Leliana executing everybody who disagrees with her, but firmly comdemn it when Gaspard acts in the same way.

I didn't say I was okay with it. I have softened Leliana as divine. I'm just saying Leliana will either make people agree with her through words or blades. I don't support blades. 

[Sifr]

I didn't say I was okay with it. I have softened Leliana as divine. I'm just saying Leliana will either make people agree with her through words or blades. I don't support blades. 

 

Softened Leliana uses words to make people agree with her.

 

Whoever she picks to be her Left and Right Hand however, might use blades as an extra incentive...?

[thesuperdarkone2]

Softened Leliana uses words to make people agree with her.

 

Whoever she picks to be her Left and Right Hand however, might use blades as an extra incentive...?

Apparently regardless of whether she is soft or hard, she doesn't have Cass return as right hand even though Cass offered. Guess that means Leliana doesn't plan on needing a right or left hand.

[Vita Brevis]

Yep same. So huge problem just suddenly has conclusion without no downsides? That doesn't sound like Dragon Age to me ^^

 

I'm personally Pro-Circle, overall I think Vivienne would be best Divine in the bunch. But I also wonder why there is no Pro-Templar outcome, it sounds odd to have only Pro-Circle and Pro-Mage one's where Cass is somewhere between.

Templars are basically just moronic pigs hungry for any kind of power, m'kay and cannot be trusted. That's why. 

Sane person cannot not see that either with Vivienne or Cass they still eventually will become a problem once again. Maybe when the current Divine dies, maybe even earlier. Give them even a tiny bit of power back officially, and with the time you will have all that rot - torture, rape and "tranquility solutions" all around again. 

 

I don't believe Leliana's plan will work out smoothly but it might be better because it breaks the rotten circle, and there's a tiny chance that people won't forget this time what it's like to be free and don't fear their own shadows. And maybe when the next time when some moronic order rises its head they won't bow so easily.

 

Why are they taken choice away from player and making their world black and white is my question on this.

Yeah, why making abuse of the power look bad, a wonder of wonders.

[Milan92]

Leliana either convinces her critics to see things her way or executes them. Not a problem either way.

Oh this is rich! Didnt you complain about Gaspard killing those who oppose him?

[AresKeith]

Enjoy Leliana's ending making your choice wrong and/or Cass and Vivienne's endings being retconned so that mages get freedom anyway and the templars get disbanded.

 

lol this guy 

[Master Warder Z_]

lol this guy

it's almost sad.

[dragonflight288]

Apparently regardless of whether she is soft or hard, she doesn't have Cass return as right hand even though Cass offered. Guess that means Leliana doesn't plan on needing a right or left hand.

 

Or had someone else in mind. 

[Master Shiori]

Then how does conscripting the mages or saving Celene make Vivienne more likely?

Because those actions award more "divine points" to Cassandra and Vivienne.

 

Vivienne in particular gets the most points from saving Celene. Cass gets hers from having Gaspard on the throne alone and Leliana receives most of hers by having Briala control Gaspard.

[AresKeith]

Oh this is rich! Didnt you complain about Gaspard killing those who oppose him?

 

It's different because it's a character he likes

 

Hypocrisy at it's finest 

[Master Shiori]

The problem with Vivienne is that if you support her, you do it with the belief that she is going to return things back to how they were with no reforms. Thus, you should be surprised that she gives reforms. you also forget about the ending where the templars refuse to serve a mage and rebel to form their own independent group.

You need to pay closer attention when speaking with Vivienne then.

 

She openly tells you that she will prevent abuses from happening again and explains how mages can have more freedom and responsibility by using herself as an example.She doesn't believe that the old system was at fault, but rather the fact people were abusing it and got away unpunished for doing so.

 

I can see how those who are strongly pro-mage freedom would be dissatisfied with that, but Leliana's solution of tearing down the Circles, giving mage full freedom with no effective supervision, while abolishing the only force capable of reining them in if things go out of control, is a completely opposite extreme and no less likely to backfire.

 

Unless somebody here honestly believes that all it takes to secure safety for non-mages is to have mages promise they'll behave themselves.

[Boost32]

Incredible, this thread reunited all the discussions, best Divine, mage vs templars,Gaspard vs Celene.
This is a huge feat, comgratulations to all who allowed this to happens.

[dragonflight288]

Incredible, this thread reunited all the discussions, best Divine, mage vs templars,Gaspard vs Celene.
This is a huge feat, comgratulations to all who allowed this to happens.

 

And in only four pages. The only thing left out was an elf debate. 

[Hazegurl]

What you call it is irrelevant. Vivienne's motivation boils down to a woman of high social status craving to ascend to a seat of power.

Of course. That is, assuming mages were happy the way things were before. Which... they absolutely were not.

You're missing the point. Things don't go back to the way they were. Mages actually obtain far more power under her than any other. One could say that choosing Viv is the first step to the Imperium.

[dragonflight288]

You're missing the point. Things don't go back to the way they were. Mages actually obtain far more power under her than any other. One could say that choosing Viv is the first step to the Imperium.

 

Unless she becomes Divine without the support of the Inquisitor and is on bad terms with him/her, then her time on the sunburst throne is pretty chaotic and there is next to no order.

[d-boy15]

BSN is not represented all players not even Bioware fans. When it come to ending discussion it always same group of peoples with the same reason over and over.

I hardly call that as major opinion...

[Hazegurl]

Ah, I didn't know that was an option. I didn't support her on my first pt but she became Divine and was good at it. She gets rebellions still but squashes them.  I've never had that bad Viv ending.

[Boost32]

Ah, I didn't know that was an option. I didn't support her on my first pt but she became Divine and was good at it. She gets rebellions still but squashes them.  I've never had that bad Viv ending.

She will squash the rebellions with or without the Inquisition, if she dont have a good approval with the Inquisitor, she will have several losses and the chantry start to fracurate.

[dragonflight288]

Ah, I didn't know that was an option. I didn't support her on my first pt but she became Divine and was good at it. She gets rebellions still but squashes them.  I've never had that bad Viv ending.

 

I only saw it in youtube. Just like I only saw Gaspard turn on the Inquisition while ruling alone on youtube. I don't know the choices made to get to that point, only that it is possible. 

[thesuperdarkone2]

Oh this is rich! Didnt you complain about Gaspard killing those who oppose him?

I never said I supported Hardened Leliana. I softened Leliana. If you are going to put words in my mouth, I can easily say Templar and Gaspard supporters have no problem with rape, abuse, or murdering people they consider inferior.

[Master Warder Z_]

o.o Icky

[Ryzaki]

Because templars and nobles are the only ones who ever committed rape.