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So I guess Leliana with conscripted mages is the best ending for most.


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LobselVith8

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Thankfully tastes differ so there's no 'best' ending - there's simply endings that individuals prefer to the others.


Pretty much. Different strokes for different folks. I favor Leliana as Divine with my Lavellan, but I know others have their own views on the matter.
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o.o I do wonder sometimes

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Yep for me Cass is best divine hands down.

 

I don't trust Vivienne or Leliana with the divine seat.


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Maybe the devs are trying to say that being completely pro-templar is a bad decision. Why else would all endings give mages more freedom and weaken the Templars?


I kinda get the feeling that in future the Templar order will evolve into a predominately Seeker one, with the order gaining powers the same way as Cassandra got hers.

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there's that utter lack of self-awareness again


New Auld Wulf? :P

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I kinda get the feeling that in future the Templar order will evolve into a predominately Seeker one, with the order gaining powers the same way as Cassandra got hers.


That would be a horrible thing.

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Cassandra is the best one for Divine. She's evenhanded as well as open minded, garnering Mother Giselle's endorsement. She detests political intrigue which is a good thing... The Chantry has become too much like the Orlesian Empire for my tastes. And she's the most faithful. The position she's taking up is defined by and defines faith. Who better than someone who was blessed by a spirit of Faith? And she's the most altruistic and dutiful.

I rest my case.


I really hope to play a Seeker in the next dragon age game.

Sounds like immunity to mind control and powers against demons and magic will be very useful if the next game was to be set in the north/tevinter :)

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Read some pro-templar posts, like in my sig. I've seen pro-templars be the biggest group of oppressive lunatics I've ever seen. I once saw a post of a pro-templar who got Leliana as Divine and he said he absolutely hated it and he would have killed himself to ensure that mages would never be free at all costs. I lol'd.


I like how you automatically brand people as pro-Templar for not agreeing with Leliana as Divine
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I like how you automatically brand people as pro-Templar for not agreeing with Leliana as Divine

see what happens cause we can. Accept others viewpoints... we brand and name call lol

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New Auld Wulf? :P

I haven't been called a genocide fetishist yet



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That would be a horrible thing.


I don't agree.

For one, the seekers aren't addicted to lyrium and their powers seem (at least in dialogue with Cassandra) alot more effective against demons and blood mages.

In order to gain their powers, they must show some extreme dedication and faith in their order and its beliefs to gain the benefits of spirit contact.

I thought you would prefer Seekers over Templars- a Seeker has been known to kill a mage with a glare, no templar can do that.

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the Seekers have a success rate on par with Cerberus



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Too bad she's already miserable even before she's Divine. I can't condemn her to that. She's also not very political which could be damaging in the long run. Leliana both knows politics and is compassionate. Best Divine for me.

 

I bolded the important part. Leliana is the best divine for you, since the idea of who the best divine is is purely subjective and not objective.

 

To some, Cassandra would be the best divine for them, because like Captain Anderson, is not interested in politics at all and is instead focused on doing the job based on the principles it was founded upon. Others like her because she tries to reform the Seekers and Templars and root out the corruption among their ranks, and treats the root causes of the mage/templar conflict, which is something many pro-mages in the debates over the years wanted more than anything, more oversight and less power to the templars. But some people don't like her because of those very reasons.

 

To others, Vivienne is the best Divine because she offers mages more power and responsibility than ever before, and her position as the first mage divine is a sign of progression. Others like her because she comes down hard on those who would cause dissent. Some people who wish to restore the status quo probably don't like her because mages advance so much, and I've even seen one poster say her becoming Divine is the first step to a new Tevinter because it gives a mage direct political power.

 

And others, like yourself, see Leliana as the best Divine because she's so open, compassionate and sees the very real prejudice that the Chantry engages in and pretends its above. They like how she'll disband the Circle, let elves dwarves and such become priests instead of limiting to humans as has been done. Others don't like her as Divine because they think she's too radical, or she makes to big changes way too fast, or don't like how a hardened Leliana will assassinate, blackmail and so on to get her way, making the Chantry's steps run red with blood from her opponents, meaning the more conservative voices in the Chantry. 

 

It isn't possible to say one Divine is actually any better than the others. Some Divine's are better for what you as a player want to see, but if another gamer wants a different outcome, they have the option to support another Divine who'll support something they like. It's strictly subjective.

 

But since they all end up with the name Divine Victoria, it'll be easy to say "Victoria says this about what's happening" in future games as they become a far off figure, and their direct actions are things we will only hear about. 


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We don't need spec ops groups getting too large. That just makes it easier for them to fracture or leak secrets.

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I bolded the important part. Leliana is the best divine for you, since the idea of who the best divine is is purely subjective and not objective.
 
To some, Cassandra would be the best divine for them, because like Captain Anderson, is not interested in politics at all and is instead focused on doing the job based on the principles it was founded upon. Others like her because she tries to reform the Seekers and Templars and root out the corruption among their ranks, and treats the root causes of the mage/templar conflict, which is something many pro-mages in the debates over the years wanted more than anything, more oversight and less power to the templars. But some people don't like her because of those very reasons.
 
To others, Vivienne is the best Divine because she offers mages more power and responsibility than ever before, and her position as the first mage divine is a sign of progression. Others like her because she comes down hard on those who would cause dissent. Some people who wish to restore the status quo probably don't like her because mages advance so much, and I've even seen one poster say her becoming Divine is the first step to a new Tevinter because it gives a mage direct political power.
 
And others, like yourself, see Leliana as the best Divine because she's so open, compassionate and sees the very real prejudice that the Chantry engages in and pretends its above. They like how she'll disband the Circle, let elves dwarves and such become priests instead of limiting to humans as has been done. Others don't like her as Divine because they think she's too radical, or she makes to big changes way too fast, or don't like how a hardened Leliana will assassinate, blackmail and so on to get her way, making the Chantry's steps run red with blood from her opponents, meaning the more conservative voices in the Chantry. 
 
It isn't possible to say one Divine is actually any better than the others. Some Divine's are better for what you as a player want to see, but if another gamer wants a different outcome, they have the option to support another Divine who'll support something they like. It's strictly subjective.
 
But since they all end up with the name Divine Victoria, it'll be easy to say "Victoria says this about what's happening" in future games as they become a far off figure, and their direct actions are things we will only hear about.

this

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crimzontearz

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Vivienne = win

At least for me


And if Bull Talvashot he should become her personal guard.

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I love how OP keeps bringing up the bad endings for Cassandra and Vivienne when people say the prefer them while completely failing to mention that there is a bad ending for Leliana as well , one that has her be a complete failure of a divine. I understand you like Leliana and there is nothing wrong with you wanting to see her on the Sunburst Throne but not all of us share your opinion on the matter. Just let it go .



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We can't have Vivienne as Devine. She only looks at her own navel.
Cassandra might be a secondary choice, but she still wants an order that is too conservative.
Leliana softened will free everyone. That's how things are meant to be. No pressure or force but trust.

Trust and respect are the hardest things to give away - they tend to return.



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I love how OP keeps bringing up the bad endings for Cassandra and Vivienne when people say the prefer them while completely failing to mention that there is a bad ending for Leliana as well , one that has her be a complete failure of a divine. I understand you like Leliana and there is nothing wrong with you wanting to see her on the Sunburst Throne but not all of us share your opinion on the matter. Just let it go .

Wait there are bad endings for the Divines? Anyone have a text for these and details on how you get them?

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Trust and respect are the hardest things to give away - they tend to return.

Yeah only if you watch my little pony :lol:


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Yeah only if you watch my little pony :lol:

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No, actually in real life.

If I show you that I trust you, you will relax and return the trust. Isn't it so?

I know there are people who's first defense is not trusting anything at all, but always be suspicious and expect the worst. This may have many reasons. And they are very hard on the outside. As hard as they are soft on the inside. The softer and vulnerable they are on the inside the bigger walls they build to protect this.



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Yeah only if you watch my little pony :lol:


This is one of those odd instances where I agree with you.

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No, actually in real life.

If I show you that I trust you, you will relax and return the trust. Isn't it so?

I know there are people who's first defense is not trusting anything at all, but always be suspicious and expect the worst. This may have many reasons. And they are very hard on the outside. As hard as they are soft on the inside. The softer and vulnerable they are on the inside the bigger walls they build to protect this.

Not at all :lol:

 

this is pretty much best way to somone screw you over.



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Not at all :lol:

 

this is pretty much best way to somone screw you over.

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That is exactly what I meant. You are a perfect example.

Someone must have hurt you a lot somehow along the way?



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That is exactly what I meant. You are a perfect example.

Someone must have hurt you a lot somehow along the way?

Yes im perfect example you know why because if you trusted me i would screw you over for my own benefit if i could get away with it so would most people. ;)

 

Pretty much play dayz we will see how much "give someone trust and it will return" work and that is just video game and yet people will stab you in back for own convenience.