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[crimzontearz]

I could be waaaay off base here because I don't pay as much attention to ME as I do to DA, or should I say, I don't replay ME games as much as I do DA. I only played ME3 once.

But if the Breath scene refers to the ending scene of ME3 my guess is this:

DA writers are done with Leliana if she becomes divine (or in general since she has the possibility to become divine), unless at some point they retcon it... Which is 100% possible as we all know.

I'm guessing they weren't so sure they were done with Shep and wanted to leave that door open?

done? Done how? She has been around for 3 games and there are two cliffhangers about the wardens


This is just because certain 2 people did not want to give in and break the art.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Yes im perfect example you know why because if you trusted me i would screw you over for my own benefit if i could get away with it so would most people.

 

Pretty much play dayz we will see how much "give someone trust and it will return" work and that is just video game and yet people will stab you in back for own convenience.

Sure glad I'm not as pessimistic as you to assume life is like Game of Thrones.

[dragonflight288]

Yes im perfect example you know why because if you trusted me i would screw you over for my own benefit if i could get away with it so would most people.

 

Pretty much play dayz we will see how much "give someone trust and it will return" work and that is just video game and yet people will stab you in back for own convenience.

 

Except when people don't. 

 

Last year my town, and one a few miles south (15-20 miles south) both got hit by tornadoes. During that time I saw both the best and worst of humanity. It's really easy to pick out when the bad things happen, they are far more memorable. But the good things people do are also very real things, and are usually the result of several small things adding up to something great. 

 

Having someone you trust, and they trust you in turn is one of the most comforting things someone who's struggling can have, even if it doesn't solve their problems, it does help to have someone able and willing to help carry your burden, and I see such people all the time. Heck, where I live if your car breaks down on the highway, roughly 7/10 times someone will pull over to see if they can help you. 

 

But that is neither here nor there. This is supposed to be about Dragon Age so I think we should stop talking about the attributes and vices of human nature because both exist, whether the idealist or the cynic chooses to acknowledge that the opposite of what they believe in is there. 

[Jedimaster88]

Is it possible to make Leliana the new divine if you conscript the mages?

 

I have only playthrough and my second one is in progress. In my first playthrough I conscripted the mages, united Briala with Celene, allied with the wardens and allowed Morrigan to drink from the well of sorrows. If I remember right, I tried to avoid extreme responses when I talked about the chantry and I did say to Leliana that I would support her. I didnt say anything like that to Cassandra or Vivienne. Despite all of this, Vivienne became the new divine and I wasnt happy at all.

 

What went wrong? Was it the dialogues about the chantry or something else?

[Boost32]

Is it possible to make Leliana the new divine if you conscript the mages?
 
I have only playthrough and my second one is in progress. In my first playthrough I conscripted the mages, united Briala with Celene, allied with the wardens and allowed Morrigan to drink from the well of sorrows. If I remember right, I tried to avoid extreme responses when I talked about the chantry and I did say to Leliana that I would support her. I didnt say anything like that to Cassandra or Vivienne. Despite all of this, Vivienne became the new divine and I wasnt happy at all.
 
What went wrong? Was it the dialogues about the chantry or something else?

Conscripting the mages and Celene on the throne gives points to Vivienne, the conscription is a huge hit on Leliana points and you avoided the extremes response about the Chantry, some of them gives point to Leliana.

[Ranadiel Marius]

Well your first two major choices both support Viv, so trying to get anyone else was going to be difficult. Avoiding extreme responses regarding the Chantry probably sealed the deal as Lel is the tear everything down candidate and Viv is the moderate.

[Barquiel]

Is it possible to make Leliana the new divine if you conscript the mages?

 

I have only playthrough and my second one is in progress. In my first playthrough I conscripted the mages, united Briala with Celene, allied with the wardens and allowed Morrigan to drink from the well of sorrows. If I remember right, I tried to avoid extreme responses when I talked about the chantry and I did say to Leliana that I would support her. I didnt say anything like that to Cassandra or Vivienne. Despite all of this, Vivienne became the new divine and I wasnt happy at all.

 

What went wrong? Was it the dialogues about the chantry or something else?

 

There is a helpful summary here...

http://dragonage.wik...Divine_election

[Jedimaster88]

Conscripting the mages and Celene on the throne gives points to Vivienne, the conscription is a huge hit on Leliana points and you avoided the extremes response about the Chantry, some of them gives point to Leliana.

 

 

Well your first two major choices both support Viv, so trying to get anyone else was going to be difficult. Avoiding extreme responses regarding the Chantry probably sealed the deal as Lel is the tear everything down candidate and Viv is the moderate.

 

Okay. Thanks for the info. I will try allying with the mages this time and make my opinions of the chantry more clear. Is it possible to make Leliana the new divine if you conscript the mages? Some people make it sound like its possible and that it also has its own kind of ending.

 

I thought Vivienne was the sort who wouldnt change much in the system. Propably because this way she gets to be the number one with all that power. Cassandra was the one would make changes but not so much as Leliana would.

[Jedimaster88]

There is a helpful summary here...

http://dragonage.wik...Divine_election

That will also help. Thanks

[Boost32]

Okay. Thanks for the info. I will try allying with the mages this time and make my opinions of the chantry more clear. Is it possible to make Leliana the new divine if you conscript the mages? Some people make it sound like its possible and that it also has its own kind of ending.
 
I thought Vivienne was the sort who wouldnt change much in the system. Propably because this way she gets to be the number one with all that power. Cassandra was the one would make changes but not so much as Leliana would.

Yes you can, but its not easy without metagaming.

[Shadow Fox]

I love how OP keeps bringing up the bad endings for Cassandra and Vivienne when people say the prefer them while completely failing to mention that there is a bad ending for Leliana as well , one that has her be a complete failure of a divine. I understand you like Leliana and there is nothing wrong with you wanting to see her on the Sunburst Throne but not all of us share your opinion on the matter. Just let it go .

Please do share.

 

I really wanna see this.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Okay. Thanks for the info. I will try allying with the mages this time and make my opinions of the chantry more clear. Is it possible to make Leliana the new divine if you conscript the mages? Some people make it sound like its possible and that it also has its own kind of ending.

 

I thought Vivienne was the sort who wouldnt change much in the system. Propably because this way she gets to be the number one with all that power. Cassandra was the one would make changes but not so much as Leliana would.

Yes it is possible to get Leliana as Divine if you conscript the mages though you have to metagame by completely supporting her, do things like have the Wardens join the Inquisition and put Briala in power alone. Read the OP to see that ending.

[Kinsz]

Please do share.

 

I really wanna see this.

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[TheKomandorShepard]

Sure glad I'm not as pessimistic as you to assume life is like Game of Thrones.

I don't watch GoT but my life attitude works perfectly as far.

 

 

 

Except when people don't. 

 

Last year my town, and one a few miles south (15-20 miles south) both got hit by tornadoes. During that time I saw both the best and worst of humanity. It's really easy to pick out when the bad things happen, they are far more memorable. But the good things people do are also very real things, and are usually the result of several small things adding up to something great. 

 

Having someone you trust, and they trust you in turn is one of the most comforting things someone who's struggling can have, even if it doesn't solve their problems, it does help to have someone able and willing to help carry your burden, and I see such people all the time. Heck, where I live if your car breaks down on the highway, roughly 7/10 times someone will pull over to see if they can help you. 

 

But that is neither here nor there. This is supposed to be about Dragon Age so I think we should stop talking about the attributes and vices of human nature because both exist, whether the idealist or the cynic chooses to acknowledge that the opposite of what they believe in is there. 

7/10? I don't know in what utopia you live but you probably work for free , there is no poverty because peoples are so caring that they help them and you sing songs about love every day.

 

Unless you are hot chick i won't belive in your statistics.

 

And as i said trust don't pay off in most cases (in some sure it does) as other people will exploit that and i saw that many times.

[Br3admax]

I live in South Carolina, racism abound all that bs. Someone will still pullover to help me if I have car problems. Maybe it isn't everybody else that's an ass. Maybe it's just you. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

I live in South Carolina, racism abound all that bs. Someone will still pullover to help me if I have car problems. Maybe it isn't everybody else that's an ass. Maybe it's just you. 

Unless im most of human population nope but yes im in part of that group.

[Dean_the_Young]

For those who don't understand, here's the ending in question:

 

http://youtu.be/fdaT9hu0Vr0?t=11m26s

 

 

In short, the ending says that after Leliana disbands the Circles, the conscripted mages decide to remain under the Inquisition's watch and form a new group called the Bright Hand which shows Thedas the very best the mages have to offer.

 

This ending appeals should appeal to both pro-mages and pro-templars. Pro-mages get the abolition of circles and the acceptance of mages while pro-templars get mages who are under Inquisition supervision so they don't have to worry about abominations or blood magic. This is also better than Cass' ending since unlike her ending, Leliana's version has no shadow war which implies that all mages from loyalists to liberatarians accept this and have peace.

 

Thoughts?

I don't consider the Inquisition a credible or effective supervisory institution, it doesn't prevent pre-emptively mitigate the worry of abominations or blood magic, and Leliana's non-shadow war is cast in imminently temporary terms lacking any long-term indication.

[Br3admax]

Unless im most of human population nope but yes im in part of that group.

Uh, no. Most people don't through morals out the window when the benefits, a good reputation, outway the costs, nothing but time. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Uh, no. Most people don't through morals out the window when the benefits, a good reputation, outway the costs, nothing but time. 

 

See key word benefit i help too when i have something in it.

[Mushashi7]

Yes im perfect example you know why because if you trusted me i would screw you over for my own benefit if i could get away with it so would most people.

 

Pretty much play dayz we will see how much "give someone trust and it will return" work and that is just video game and yet people will stab you in back for own convenience.

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That means you are willing to be the one who makes it impossible to be trusted and give trust?

If so, what role do you play in this?

[AWTEW]

Divine Cassandra 4 life..

 

Although I think Vivvene will end up being the default divine because, well, not romancable.

[TheKomandorShepard]

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That means you are willing to be the one who makes it impossible to be trusted and give trust?

If so, what role do you play in this?

Sure not that i mind when people trust me.

 

After all Caesar trusted Brutus it went badly for him.

[Eliastion]

I'm not entirely sure, but doesn't it prevent Viv from becoming Divine if you just never recruit her? If it is so then you should have it much easier to put Leliana on the throne since conscripting the mages no longer gives anyone a +20 head start over her (+10 to Viv, -10 to Leliana) with your explicite support granting only as little as +10...

 

That said, I have my problems with softened Leliana as Divine. It's just too idealistic - I would be much happier if softened approach ended with negotiations failing in the end and Leliana's position secured only after a war. They just tried too hard to make softened result better than hardened, making the result too good to be believable (at least without some head canon about what really went on during the "miraculous" negotiations - after all Celene-Gaspard-Briala alliance also seems like a miraculous result if you didn't know how it happened).

[Ranadiel Marius]

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Huh, interesting. I wonder if that is the result where you don't do her personal quest and therefore she is unsure of which path is best resulting in her to take no path at all.