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So I guess Leliana with conscripted mages is the best ending for most.


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Yep, afaik you need to resolve her personal quest to have her get over herself one way or another. If she doesn't... well. The results are not pretty.

Though it at least sounds more plausible than the softened solution, if you take the latter at face value...



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possibly different "art"

And no weekes was a lead in ME3, he did tell Holmes upon request that that was the intent but it was never straight up said to the fans like that which just drives me nuts

No he was not. He was a writer on the team but not a lead. He only wrote for Tali and the Tuchanka part of the game.



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No he was not. He was a writer on the team but not a lead. He only wrote for Tali and the Tuchanka part of the game.

He wrote Tali, Joker, Traynor, Mordin, Grissom Academy, Rannoch, Geth Dreadnaught, Illusive Mans Base, Eden Prime and parts of the Citadel Hub and alot of the stuff on the Citadel



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John Dombrow wrote Tuchanka not Weekes.

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John Dombrow wrote Tuchanka not Weekes.

Edit: Right, yeah Weekes wrote all the Mordin bits though



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You forgot helping Briala so elves have a future too.

 

I like mages and all, but they aren't the only oppressed minority in Thedas. If I'm going to help the mages, I'm going to help the elves, and Leliana helps both.

Another reason why I support her. Cass may make other races be considered more acceptable by the Chantry but she isn't going to let the Chantry fully accept non-humans as members. Leliana helps both mages and non-humans. Vivienne doesn't even bother with non-humans. I also find it funny she is also the only Divine that doesn't issue public support for the Inquisition.



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There is a dwarven Brother in DAO and elven Sister in DA2. Something Leliana's writers seems to have forgotten.



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There is a dwarven Brother in DAO and elven Sister in DA2. Something Leliana's writers seems to have forgotten.

And Gaspard was said to be crippled after his fight with Michel and outright said his fighting days were over yet Inquisition shows he's willing to fight behemoths despite being crippled. Or how the writers forgot about Briala's eluvians. Or when they retconned lyrium being needed for Templar powers after all...



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So, basically, your justification is pointing out more instances of the writers dropping the ball?

The Chantry has always been open for non-humans. In fact, considering that Andrastianism is a religion meant to encompass the whole world, it is their best interest to ordain dwarven priests and held them up as exemples for the rest of their race.

if they don't join more, than is because of the mentalities of the population. No one would want their marriage blessed by an elf, of course. Leliana can change laws but not mentalities or culture.



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Lady Montillion was killed by Briala, but ressurected in DAI.
Remanche was the ruler of Lydes, you even have a war table to decide who family member will be his sucessor, but Florianne is the Grand Duchess of Lydes.
Cullen was the Knight-Commander of the Red Templars in Kirkwall.

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Remanche was the ruler of Lydes, you even have a war table to decide who family member will be his sucessor, but Florianne is the Grand Duchess of Lydes.
Cullen was the Knight-Commander of the Red Templars in Kirkwall.

Those two are not mutually exclusive actually.  We don't have a lot of information on how titles and vassalage work in Orlais, but its perfectly plausible for some one to claim a title despite not actually ruling there.

 

He was Knight Commander of the Templars there after Meredith died and before he was recruited into the Inquisition, not a long period of time admittedly but he held it all the same



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Those two are not mutually exclusive actually. We don't have a lot of information on how titles and vassalage work in Orlais, but its perfectly plausible for some one to claim a title despite not actually ruling there.

He was Knight Commander of the Templars there after Meredith died and before he was recruited into the Inquisition, not a long period of time admittedly but he held it all the same

He was Knight Commander for three years, he allowed the Red Templars to spread through the ranks of his subordinate and he act like nothing happened. I really like Cassandra, but I dont know why she thought he would be a good general for the Inquisition.

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He was Knight Commander for three years, he allowed the Red Templars to spread through the ranks of his subordinate and he act like nothing happened. I really like Cassandra, but I dont know why she thought he would be a good general for the Inquisition.

uhhhhh no

 

We only know of one templar influenced by Red Lyrium in Kirkwall and it was the actual Knight-Commander Meredith


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He was Knight Commander for three years, he allowed the Red Templars to spread through the ranks of his subordinate and he act like nothing happened. I really like Cassandra, but I dont know why she thought he would be a good general for the Inquisition.

Where the hell are you getting this? Meredith was the only templar influenced by red lyrium.



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uhhhhh no

 

We only know of one templar influenced by Red Lyrium in Kirkwall and it was the actual Knight-Commander Meredith

 

Nope.

 

Apparently if Hawke sided with the templars, this is the reason he left Kirkwall. The templars started using red lyrium, became paranoid and he was forced to leave before they launched a coup and overthrow him.


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Nope.

 

Apparently if Hawke sided with the templars, this is the reason he left Kirkwall. The templars started using red lyrium, became paranoid and he was forced to leave before they launched a coup and overthrow him.

Exactly. This opens up problems: if the Red Templars were a minority and thus Cullen didn't know then how were they able to overthrow Hawke? Wouldn't Hawke have the city guard since Hawke rules the city plus support from the Templars unless they also supported the Red Templars which opens up its own can of worms. Also, if that was the case, shouldn't Hawke be able to easily deal with them considering how much stuff Hawke beats throughout the game? If the Red Templars were a minority, Hawke+city guard+possible loyal Templars should have been enough to stop them

 

If the Red Templars were a majority of the Kirkwall Templars, Cullen is incredibly incompetent since red lyrium exposure should be pretty obvious. Plus, Cullen should have noticed if they stated to overthrow the viscount. 


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Nope.

 

Apparently if Hawke sided with the templars, this is the reason he left Kirkwall. The templars started using red lyrium, became paranoid and he was forced to leave before they launched a coup and overthrow him.

 

Its a complete load of bull**** to be honest but yeah, they needed to bring Hawke south despite you know, them possibly ruling a city state.



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Link to video.

 

Kirkwall templars started using red lyrium, making them paranoid and crazed enough to attack him. After that, Hawke decided to leave and find out more. He was not overthrown.

 

Still pretty bad though.

 

Exactly. This opens up problems: if the Red Templars were a minority and thus Cullen didn't know then how were they able to overthrow Hawke? Wouldn't Hawke have the city guard since Hawke rules the city plus support from the Templars unless they also supported the Red Templars which opens up its own can of worms. Also, if that was the case, shouldn't Hawke be able to easily deal with them considering how much stuff Hawke beats throughout the game? If the Red Templars were a minority, Hawke+city guard+possible loyal Templars should have been enough to stop them

 

If the Red Templars were a majority of the Kirkwall Templars, Cullen is incredibly incompetent since red lyrium exposure should be pretty obvious. Plus, Cullen should have noticed if they stated to overthrow the viscount. 

 

It's like if Leliana romanced the warden, meaning she knew where the Warden was but decided to lie and mislead Cassandra anyway like Varric did. Does Cassandra confront Leliana about this? Nope. We never confront Cullen about his troops using red lyrium either.

 

In short, Bioware's explanation for certain events conflicted with the actual story they wanted to tell.

 

"edit"

 

Fixed  a blatant error, sorry, rather tired.



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In short, Bioware's explanation for certain events conflicted with the actual story they wanted to tell.

 

They had nearly four years to make it work and it still was a trainwreck.

 

Honestly what the hell did they even do with that extra year?

 

Spending it goofing off and watching cable tv?



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They had nearly four years to make it work and it still was a trainwreck. Honestly what the hell did they even do with that extra year? Spending it goofing off and watching cable tv?

couldve been worse. Tevinter and the qunari might have been the good guys and we couldve had flying squirrels.

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couldve been worse.


Not by enough to matter.

I think I'm done with the series.

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It's like if Leliana romanced the warden, meaning she knew where the Warden was but decided to lie and mislead Cassandra anyway like Varric did. Does Cassandra confront Leliana about this? Nope. We never confront Cullen about his troops using red lyrium either.

I'm all for taking potshots at BioWare, but even if you romance Leliana, she clearly says she doesn't actually KNOW where the Warden is, is worried, and waits until her power base is large enough to actually find a way to get HIM/HER to get in contact with her. Not the otherway around. 



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Exactly. This opens up problems: if the Red Templars were a minority and thus Cullen didn't know then how were they able to overthrow Hawke? Wouldn't Hawke have the city guard since Hawke rules the city plus support from the Templars unless they also supported the Red Templars which opens up its own can of worms. Also, if that was the case, shouldn't Hawke be able to easily deal with them considering how much stuff Hawke beats throughout the game? If the Red Templars were a minority, Hawke+city guard+possible loyal Templars should have been enough to stop them

If the Red Templars were a majority of the Kirkwall Templars, Cullen is incredibly incompetent since red lyrium exposure should be pretty obvious. Plus, Cullen should have noticed if they stated to overthrow the viscount.

Its clearly that the wiriters didnt know what the others wrote.
Cullen was promoted to Knight Commander after he helped stabilize the situation in Kirkwall, a few years later he was summoned by Lambert to a meeting and agreed to leave the Chantry to hunt mages, his man started using red lyrium and, if Hawke sided with the Templars, threatened the Viscount and in the end he chickened out from his decision to hunt mages and left the Templars to join the Inquisition.

- Its clear that when David Gaider wrote Asunder he didnt know Cullen was going to be a Templar Commander.
- His writer in DA:I didnt know all Templars Commanders went to the meeting with Lambert and agreed with him.
- The writer of "Here lies the abyss" didnt know he was the Templar Commander of Kirkwall and he/she needed Hawke to leave the city, the original explanation was going to be in the Exalted March, but since its was cancelled they needed a new one, and they screwed up.

You cant confront Cullen about it, so to me he either a completely idiot (if he didnt know about the red lyrium) or a coward who doesnt want his mistakes to be know. i would never trust the lives of the men in my arm to this incompetent person.

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Not by enough to matter.I think I'm done with the series.

i can understand that. Still can't pick up ME

Its clearly that the wiriters didnt know what the others wrote.Cullen was promoted to Knight Commander after he helped stabilize the situation in Kirkwall, a few years later he was summoned by Lambert to a meeting and agreed to leave the Chantry to hunt mages, his man started using red lyrium and, if Hawke sided with the Templars, threatened the Viscount and in the end he chickened out from his decision to hunt mages and left the Templars to join the Inquisition.- Its clear that when David Gaider wrote Asunder he didnt know Cullen was going to be a Templar Commander.- His writer in DA:I didnt know all Templars Commanders went to the meeting with Lambert and agreed with him.- The writer of "Here lies the abyss" didnt know he was the Templar Commander of Kirkwall and he/she needed Hawke to leave the city, the original explanation was going to be in the Exalted March, but since its was cancelled they needed a new one, and they screwed up.You cant confront Cullen about it, so to me he either a completely idiot (if he didnt know about the red lyrium) or a coward who dont want his mistakes to be know. i would never trust the lives of the men in my arm to this incompetent person.

sounds like ME3 again

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Not by enough to matter.

I think I'm done with the series.


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