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[Helmetto]

The most hilarious thing is people like you who spend 99% of their time on this forum making posts mocking and insulting the game then come on to threads like this and say you love it. When you love something you don't laugh at it, insult it, call the people who make it names etc.

 

The other thing that makes me laugh is people saying the game isn't finished. If any game where a minority of the player base is having significant issues can be called unfinished then here hasn't been a triple a title that was finished in a long time.

 

Plenty of people played through the game for 100-200 hours, had no bugs, loved the game and moved on. You guys say those people shouldn't pretend they stand for everyone yet you all act as if you do.

 

I've played the game for about 230 hours on one playthrough and encountered many bugs and in fact that was a completionist run and it felt as though the more I worked on it, the more the game was going to **** itself and break at one point.

 

And no, it's not a finished game if people can't, you know, finish it.

[hong]

And no, it's not a finished game if people can't, you know, finish it.

But they can. I have, twice. Now about halfway through the third run.

[Saphiron123]

There are things I hope to see them improve, but honestly being nasty never accomplishes anything. That just gets your thoughts passed over.

DAI has some great moments, others are dull and unengaging. Here's hoping we have some excellent story based dlc coming. With cities. And cut scenes. And companion interaction.

[rpgfan321]

I can totally understand the anger that's stemming from frustration but I hope people keep it civil after things have cool down for a bit. I'm enjoying my second playthrough slowly and can see the bugs more clearly now without the lens of blind, first playthrough excitement.

 

I really want good story DLCs in the future. Like 5 DLCs that I would most likely pay to play. Bad mouthing the devs is not very encouraging and more positivity the better.

[Elsariel]

If you went to a 5 star restaurant, ordered a medium rare steak, hand-cut chips and some fancy, tasty salad to go with it, paid a fair amount of money for this product, then instead received... an overcooked, charcoal steak, cold soggy chips and a salad made up of rotten ingredients... would you be rude?

Most people in that situation would be rude to the managers, the chefs, etc. Should that customer have done their research, and if they did said research, and found nothing but glowing reviews about how great the food is at this particular restaurant (*cough* GOTY *cough*), don't you think the customer has a right to b*tch, complain and be rude?

No. No, not at all. I would very politely point out what's wrong and ask them to fix it or refund me and I'll take my business elsewhere. It's really that simple. Complaints are understandable. Rudeness is not.

Maybe my perspective is different because I worked in customer service for years. I just can't fathom people who are so rude. Often directly to people who have no control over what's got you upset in the first place.

[Dio Demon]

No. No, not at all. I would very politely point out what's wrong and ask them to fix it or refund me and I'll take my business elsewhere. It's really that simple. Complaints are understandable. Rudeness is not.

Maybe my perspective is different because I worked in customer service for years. I just can't fathom people who are so rude. Often directly to people who have no control over what's got you upset in the first place.

I'll be honest. I can't fathom how you people tolerate those fools. I'm sure I'd stab their eyes out with a fork after a few months in customer service. XD

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Nice point, OP, but there's a fine line between being just rude and being cinstructively rude.

 

Being just rude goes like: 'Hay, you ******, come over here! What is this? What is THIS I ****** ask you? I've given a ton of money for this and what? I'm getting THIS ****? NO WAY! Now say you are sorry, ******!'

 

Being contructivly rude goes like http://forum.bioware...y-final-review/

 

Difference is either you just complain, even if you have a valid reason to, or you complain about something in particular, giving an insight to the problem that shows the way out of it.

[ShinsFortress]

No. No, not at all. I would very politely point out what's wrong and ask them to fix it or refund me and I'll take my business elsewhere. It's really that simple. Complaints are understandable. Rudeness is not.

Maybe my perspective is different because I worked in customer service for years. I just can't fathom people who are so rude. Often directly to people who have no control over what's got you upset in the first place.

 

In other contexts I used to think like you.  And years ago I worked various levels in retail.

 

But I think it's different here.  If I sell a customer a complicated bit of kit there's a 1-3% chance that a small component in it is defective, the product won't work and the customer comes back to me.  There's a big difference if I advertise my product as being a, b, c, z, y, x but it only does a, b, c with known defects e & f.  Selling me a product that is known by the seller to be not only defective but also not to advertised specification is more likely to really upset someone.  Since DA2 I feel that Bioware has been taking the mickey and insulting, QA wise.

[hong]

But I think it's different here.  If I sell a customer a complicated bit of kit there's a 1-3% chance that a small component in it is defective, the product won't work and the customer comes back to me.  There's a big difference if I advertise my product as being a, b, c, z, y, x but it only does a, b, c with known defects e & f.

Welcome to videogames.

[Riladel]

I just thought it deserved to be said, I loved origins, I loved 2... and as far as main story content goes I love DAI. I loved tactics menus, attribute points (I miss both), I loved the dragon fights in DAI, I hated the fetch quests with no payoff and god of secrets for leading up to what could ahve been awesome and giving me a dispair demon with more HP. I miss seeing enemies introduced in cut scenes, and conversations that were fully cinematic and not just  a slight zoom on regular character models. I miss feeling personally involved, and sometimes i get to, but outside of the main quests, even in most companion quests, we never quite get to.

I hope bioware is watching, I hope they're listening even if they don't respond. I hope the dlc for inquisition will have cities and heavy story, with tragedy and the sort of content we love from bioware. I hope we'll see anora and shale, and many of the others from past games. I hope we'll get to see our warden again (and hopefully play as him/her, even if it's in the next game).

I hope morrigan will one day acknowledge the fact my warden stabbed her, as opposed to thinking they're in love.

I hope Bioware knows we just want what we love, and we don't want skyrim, and we don't want world of warcraft... we want dragon age. And we're here because we love it.

Deserves to be said.

 

That is exactly what I've been thinking about for the last few weeks: plz, BioWare, hear us

[Tsunami Chef]

Umm... I don't love the game?

 

Yes. I insult. I mock. It's fun to do so. Get over it.

 

Don't recall saying I loved the game either... mixed feelings. It isn't black and white. I appreciate some aspects... others, not so much. It definitely doesn't deserve GOTY but that's just an opinion so... meh.

 

Wait.. what's my argument, again?

 

Oh. The way I see it... both "constructive criticism" and "being rude/entitled jerk" gets you nowhere. The show goes on.

 

Also, don't know where you got the "stand for everyone" idea from. I'm talking about people who have had problems with game crashes and bugs. I'm well aware that some people were fortunate enough to experience this...

 

Oh, and you know what else is hilarious?

 

People like you who spend 99% of their time on this forum trying to be heroes.

Trying to be heroes? So if you like the game you are trying to be a hero...

 

this is the kind of logic anyone who enjoys the game has to deal with...it's utterly hilarious how people like you think you have the intellectual high ground. It's truly amazing.

 

You also have nearly 3 times as many posts as me despite signing up over a year later...and I actually like the game...so who is wasting their time again? The person who spends a minor part of their time talking about how they enjoyed a game, or someone who has 1000 + posts mocking a game...who has the problem here...

[Annos Basin]

I miss seeing enemies introduced in cut scenes, and conversations that were fully cinematic and not just  a slight zoom on regular character models.

I hope bioware is watching, I hope they're listening even if they don't respond. I hope the dlc for inquisition will have cities and heavy story, with tragedy and the sort of content we love from bioware.

I agree with this part. I loved DAI, but think there would be room for something like this in DLC. Ah and you make this sound like some prayer in chantry.

 

 

If you went to a 5 star restaurant, ordered a medium rare steak, hand-cut chips and some fancy, tasty salad to go with it, paid a fair amount of money for this product, then instead received... an overcooked, charcoal steak, cold soggy chips and a salad made up of rotten ingredients... would you be rude?

 

Most people in that situation would be rude to the managers, the chefs, etc. Should that customer have done their research, and if they did said research, and found nothing but glowing reviews about how great the food is at this particular restaurant (*cough* GOTY *cough*), don't you think the customer has a right to b*tch, complain and be rude?

You don't march into Bioware forum and order a game fitting your fanfiction and personal taste. It's a ready game as it is, you read about it (preferably for your own sake about finished product and not middle-developement speculations, nor commercials which are often made by different team than the story itself) and then like an adult decide whether you want to use your money into it. If you still dislike it, writing an honest review is reasonable, but alas in this forum we have surprisingly often seen something that resembles more of bullying. Practically it is bullying if brought up as offtopic in any discussion where fans are trying to enjoy themselves. In many fan-moderated places people would actually get bans more easily for spamming their agenda like that ad nauseum. Funny how many typical rant topics actually use tough guy motifs: not violent enough, too feminine, too japanese console, show some boobs, cute animals prancing in forest are embarrassing. And of course you bring whole gang to "give them a lesson" with you. I don't keep track of are the same people behind all complaints, but no one can keep track of that if they're rude, it all just sounds the same then.

 

No, I don't think you can be rude because of limitations of your taste. Salad's not rotten, it's just different flavour, more subtle in this case, opposite of dumbed down. You can be critical and opinated of course, within the rules of each forum. There are some bugs, but not enough to prevent me, I'd hate to miss good game for any reason, and it's not even as bad as for example hard freezes with Assassin's Creed on PS3 before its patches.

[Winged Silver]

I don't think being abusive has ever gotten anyone anything good. Constructive criticisms are good in that it's the easiest way to try to get ideas across to the team as to what worked and what didn't. But even I have trouble taking people seriously when they smother their completely valid and reasonable complaints with jeers and thinly veiled mockery. Regardless of what one feels for the game, there were people who worked really hard on Inquisition, and I think that deserves recognition, just as I think the flaws deserve recognition. You can't fix a game if you don't understand what's wrong with it and how to fix it, and no one is going to fix said game if no one recognizes the effort put into it. I don't see how people can think that video games are something companies just spit out. There are so many aspects that require hard work and dedication, and I think it's sad that that goes unrecognized a lot of the time.

[Elsariel]

In other contexts I used to think like you. And years ago I worked various levels in retail.

But I think it's different here. If I sell a customer a complicated bit of kit there's a 1-3% chance that a small component in it is defective, the product won't work and the customer comes back to me. There's a big difference if I advertise my product as being a, b, c, z, y, x but it only does a, b, c with known defects e & f. Selling me a product that is known by the seller to be not only defective but also not to advertised specification is more likely to really upset someone. Since DA2 I feel that Bioware has been taking the mickey and insulting, QA wise.

Of course you have the right to be upset over that. You can be upset and still communicate that in a polite way. Being polite doesn't mean giving in or changing your opinion or being docile. It doesn't even mean you can't show anger. It simply means don't be a jerk. One can express their anger about a thing without slinging insults and throwing tantrums.

[Elsariel]

I have to hand it to you, Elsariel.

Customer service had the opposite effect on me.

Okay, time to be "honourable"

Rudeness within reason, and/or if necessary.

Obviously taking things out on people if they are not at fault is not on.

Also, how would you react if you didn't get that refund?

I worked in a place where the owners had a "no refunds" policy... let's just say he had a lot of "entitled jerks" on his case...

I would be visibly upset. I'd probably ask to see the manager. A lot of times, the manager will give in where the employee may not have the permission to do so. If not, I would express my displeasure (without being rude) and take my business elsewhere. I would probably tell everyone I knew not to go there and, if I was really pissed, fill out negative reviews online.

But that's just me. I tend to be rather passive-aggressive when I'm angry.

The point, ultimately, is to just not be a douche.

[Elsariel]

I don't think being abusive has ever gotten anyone anything good. Constructive criticisms are good in that it's the easiest way to try to get ideas across to the team as to what worked and what didn't. But even I have trouble taking people seriously when they smother their completely valid and reasonable complaints with jeers and thinly veiled mockery. Regardless of what one feels for the game, there were people who worked really hard on Inquisition, and I think that deserves recognition, just as I think the flaws deserve recognition. You can't fix a game if you don't understand what's wrong with it and how to fix it, and no one is going to fix said game if no one recognizes the effort put into it. I don't see how people can think that video games are something companies just spit out. There are so many aspects that require hard work and dedication, and I think it's sad that that goes unrecognized a lot of the time.

Absolutely! Well said.

[KaiserShep]

More cut scene enemies would certainly be nice. The god of secrets quest should have had some sort of dialogue at the end. I took Solas along and he was basically the only one to say anything.

If anything, that demon-y priest should have been like Gaxkang.

[SkyKing]

Unless you have proof of this I would be mindful as this is considered slander.

Look at the prealpha footage, which many gaming companies and reporters reported as features of the game, etc,  and not a single bioware release or statement that NONE of what was shown in prealpha footage would be in the game.  There are tons other things as well.  

[Darkly Tranquil]

I fear that Bioware are blinded to our concerns due by the sparkle of all their GotY awards. I predict they will take all those awards as an endorsement of all the atrocious design decisions made in DAI and double down on them for future games. The chances of a change of course (barring Mike Laidlaw getting struck by lightning) appear to be slim to none at this point. That's bad luck for those of us who liked the core design of Origins and feel that the franchise is regressing in many regards even as it improves in some others.

[Xralius]

Well I for one think it was rude of Bioware to lie to everyone that DA:I would be "made for PC by PC gamers" and that it would be more like DA:O. In my opinion they basically stole my money and time. I don't feel bad for any insults shot their way.

[Xralius]

I also think the practice of manipulating online reviews and forum discussions that EA is doing is super unethical.

[Winged Silver]

I also think the practice of manipulating online reviews and forum discussions that EA is doing is super unethical.

 

Where has EA manipulated forum discussions? 

[Elsariel]

I also think the practice of manipulating online reviews and forum discussions that EA is doing is super unethical.

This is gossip and conspiracy. I've never seen proof of this.