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[Chronoreaper]

I find it easy to just post once on a single thread and then go do something else its not like there's a thousand plus games out there to play while I wait, only major annoyance I have with the community is that they're making 30x threads about the same fricken thing just leave it to 1-2 threads and be done with it instead of beating it to death with a 2by4 like who in there right mind will look at a thread if there is 30 times it cant read or want to read through it all.

[J. Peterman]

So people don't have the right to complain after paying for a subpar product? I'm not even as bothered as most are by the bugs, and don't believe I've spoken negatively about any of this, but everyone who purchased this buggy mess of a game has every right to complain. Where better than here?

[Jackal19851111]

I'm already indifferent in regards to DAI and EA. I have already accepted the death of Bioware as a fan of 16 years. Not to mention the retirement of Ray, Greg, as well as Casey Hudson... I do wish them well however. So I'm done with it.

 

However, as you have asked, I will lend my two cents; why was I here?

Especially posting 1000x on this forum after my silence for so many years?

 

One word: Passion

 

To elaborate, I joined this new BSN in 2012 for ME3, didn't post. I was active in the last social network and enjoyed my experience there and dev communication especially while modding DAO.

 

I was impressed with 95% of ME3 despite being utterly shocked at the ending so I still felt I got what I paid for. A lackluster ending with no closure is not new, as I experienced it with Neverwinter Nights (vanilla campaign). I feared the death of Bioware however I was glad to see that they gave fans more closure with the extended cut (Lack of closure was the reason I was not satisfied), and then they impressed me further with Citadel DLC which I still highly recommend.

 

I started posting once I started playing DAI, which I thought "Guys, please don't screw this up, not after ME3". I ignored my first impressions, which were negative, as I held onto hope, and only started posting once I was satisfied to see some semblance of Bioware in the title; story and characters. And I posted (my very first post on this forum) to defend the game after reading so many troll reviews on metacritic, to offer my objective opinion of why the game got trashed on metacritic - not because of the game itself, but because of the 10 hour window and pacing. In hindsight, I was very lenient.

 

However, my experience did mirror their views, so I did not wish the flaws of the game to ruin the potential that I saw in the game. As such, I defended and praised the aspects of the game that I enjoyed, repeatedly (and I still do) I have praised the writers, actors, and artists for their story, lore, acting, environments, and general art. However at the same time I have offered honest criticism when it comes to the consolised interface, lack of industry standard features for a PC version, as well as the pacing / lack of RP aspects of the game which led to the storytelling suffering due to those flaws. Then... silence.

 

Later I learnt how deceptive the marketing truly was for this game "By PC gamers, for PC gamers", and as a paying customer I do not wish to be lied to and treated like an idiot. Even as an old fan, I'm still a paying customer. Mass Effect 3 for me WAS the ending for me in some ways, as I watched my decisions in previous games play themselves out and in that - I did not feel that I was not given what I was promised. With Dragon Age Inquisition, the final nail in the coffin has been how new Bioware EA has been treating its fanbase, especially with Amelia's post though I do respect her honesty, transparency, and bravery to express her opinion despite the (realised) risk of adding gasoline to the flames.

 

However, I was extremely insulted. As such, I no longer see Bioware, I see EA. I'm not new to EA, not after TS3 which is still unplayable without mods - namely the routing issue that freezes your game consistently for up to 5-10 minutes at a time. And then when it starts working again, freezes the next minute, for another 5-10 minutes. I posted here because once upon a time a company called Bioware listened to honest criticism, but no matter how constructive we present it, seems that we're considered the same as the trolls that gave the game a 0 on metacritic.

 

I posted here because I was passionate about the franchise, Dragon Age Origins was a masterpiece for me, and the changes from BG / DND I embraced wholeheartedly, armor was no longer tied to hit rate - but armor absorbtion, AI tactics that you can customise and not to mention - MODDING support. It is this same passion that led fans to defend Bioware after Fox News put on air such an ignorant view on Mass Effect 1's very limited and tasteful sexual content. It is this same passion that led fans to sh-t all over that ignorant writer's book on Amazon in retaliation, leading her to eventually apologise for her misplaced comments defaming the game.

 

It is this same passion that drew me here, to not just defend the game, but to offer my two cents as an old fan after 16 years. Only to encounter what was encountered, silence. Then lackluster patches despite the opportunity for them to impress the community like they did in ME3. Then... to be insulted by a Bioware EA representative even though she truly explained the silence from day one. So in the end, all that I've offered, Bioware EA doesn't want to hear. Fair enough, I have other developers I support who value and have always valued my criticism.

 

Regardless, thanks to what has happened. I've already made my decision to leave DAI behind and uninstall Origin, which has only 2 games on it; ME3 and DAI. But here is my answer, take it or leave it.

[PurpGuy1]

To me, the worst part of Patch 3 was that I used up all of my likes in one single thread yesterday, then today I THOUGHT I got them back, but was only able to retroactively like 2 posts before being told I was out again.

 

THOUGHT ENSUED:  Microtransactions to buy more likes.  How much?

[holdenagincourt]

OP, while I appreciate the thrust of your topic in general, I think the "'not caring'" tack was the wrong one to choose. Most of the people who frequently post here do care, as many have piled on here to bring up.

 

Really, the amount of investment that the core group of 50 or so denizens of this subforum demonstrate would be endearing, were it not, to paraphrase Mr. Carson on Downton Abbey, twisted by circumstances into something foul. And I think both the DAMP team and the community here bear responsibility for that. Of course the communication with the players and amount of support and content for the game have been lackluster. However, the tenor of discussion, the shrillness, the veiled and not so veiled personal attacks, the desire to play "gotcha" with dev, the community cannibalization (see every DC topic), the parade of farewell topics, all of it is not helping the situation and probably making it a great deal worse.

 

And the worst part is, it's not even that lolworthy, unlike the nadirs of ME3MP like the Tactical Cloak nerf feedback thread.

[grogan]

For serious, right?

 

I really feel like the Russell Crowe Gladiator pretty much fits DAMP, the devs, and the community perfectly XDDDDDDD

 

I wish he played video games so we could get him to come post in the forum.

 

He's way too busy being a straight bogan, though, or so I'm told.

 

 

Corrected

[Cette]

Ok here's a simple way to look to look at passionate fanbases like this. If we're not actively bitching about an element of the game then we probably like it.

Now weigh that list against the complaints and you'll notice the positives almost always come out ahead.

People whig out because the obvious flaws are attached to an otherwise positive gaming experience.

[Marnius]

It wasn't the bugs, or the missing maps, or BWAmelia's communication, or the Reaver nerfs, or anything like that. It was, without a doubt, the toxic responses from this "community". I use the term "community" lightly because that implies some sense of togetherness, mutual respect, or progressive desire to build...not tear down. Honestly for every build advice/strategy thread I'd see, there were 3 "lol this game sucks". Before the controversy of the patch the excuse was RNG loot, lack of progression, and a million examples of why DAMP isn't as good as ME3MP. I have a question for those in this "community" who are absolutely disgusted with BioWare, DAMP, or whatever else you're raging at this week.

Why are you here?

What possess you to post responses in a forum for a video game that you loathe? Why do you spend so much time ranting about something you don't like and just go find something that you actually enjoy? What are you hoping to accomplish by staying? Do you realize that this is abnormal behavior? It's not healthy adjusted behavior. Normal people who don't care about something, have stopped enjoying something, or experience severe anger/anxiety over something, STOP engaging in that behavior.

Why are you here?

I couldn't care less about competitive water polo so guess what? I don't populate whatever official web forum community exists surrounding the sport, ranting about how much I hate how the players look, how dumb the game is, and how stupid fans are for enjoying the sport. It's not a priority in my life. It's not on my radar of "things to give a **** about". That's what "not caring" REALLY looks like. So, before you post your next rage filled rant, just stop and ask yourself...

Why are you here?

TL;DR

[eVilate]

I hate this thing people do where whenever someone complains someone else says something stupid like if you don't like it why are you here. Why is it so hard for some people to comprehend that they are complaining because they like the game and want it to be better by fixing **** that needs fixing and adding features to improve the game. Yes some people get quite emotional and can take it too far but you know what? If no one complained, nothing would ever get fixed. How would the developers know? If we all just sat here and said nothing but praises, they would think their game is good enough. Although I will admit nothing seems to be getting done about this game, regardless of complaining.

[stysiaq]

I come here for the same thing I smoke pot after I eat laxatives, for sh**s and giggles.

 

Also, 'toxic' is my favorite buzzword, thank you for using it!

[J. Peterman]

I like potatoes. They grow underground.

[SofaJockey]

I hate this thing people do where whenever someone complains someone else says something stupid like if you don't like it why are you here. Why is it so hard for some people to comprehend that they are complaining because they like the game and want it to be better by fixing **** that needs fixing and adding features to improve the game. Yes some people get quite emotional and can take it too far but you know what? If no one complained, nothing would ever get fixed. How would the developers know? If we all just sat here and said nothing but praises, they would think their game is good enough. Although I will admit nothing seems to be getting done about this game, regardless of complaining.

 

We all have different reactions.

There are folk who complain constructively and there are those who do so more emotionally, both are largely fine we're all different.

The point you make about the importance of complaint is spot on.

 

Those folk whose reactions are just to restate, 'it's sh!t, worst game ever, EA paid everyone off, everything is broken...' without really engaging in what the issues are for them and then restating that in a snide way on every single thread, they really grate on me because it's just not adding anything. If there are issues, let's talk about it. The term 'whining' is probably thrown about too much, but there is a section of the critical voices who truly deserve that description, for others the term is used unfairly.

 

Those individuals are like listening to Noober,

I'm expecting an achievement if I read 32 of their posts...

 

As for nothing being done? We've had three patches already (just about). The problem is there are silly repeat issues dogging the patch releases.

Accusing BioWare of being 'lazy' and so on is unfair, but it's not been a great patching record since launch.

 

And speaking as someone who is normally pretty supportive of what BioWare is up to:

 

The Community Management strategy on this forum is borked.

I don't have a magic answer myself, but it's just letting the flames burn, and it's a great shame.

 

Derek Hollan popped into one of the forums yesterday and gave a quick technical answer.

In 5 minutes, the thread was happy. That was great, but it's not typical.

[Zorinho20_CRO]

-snip-

Derek Hollan popped into one of the forums yesterday and gave a quick technical answer.

In 5 minutes, the thread was happy. That was great, but it's not typical.

Can you please point at that thread,I would like to read it.

Tnx

 

Nevermind,I found it.

[SofaJockey]

Spot on. I am guilty of getting angry and just as guilty offering constructive criticism. PR. Where is PR? Is there a PR?

 

I really get that.

 

I was getting too angry myself with some posters the other night (just like but like the OP) and had to take a chill pill myself. 

 

On the plus side, if we wait until DA4 comes out, then DAI will be considered a masterpiece alongside DA2   

[sabreracer]

People get very passionate about games they play.  I understand that the Devs are not just sitting there doing nothing, however their communication these days is lacking.  

 

People these days seem to expect hourly updates but the fact that Bioware don't even bother posting a sticky on their own forums saying yes we are aware of A, B, C and are working on fixing it but don't expect it until next month, X, Y, Z will be the one after that, is a sorry state of affairs.

 

The list of bugs is long and it will take time to tackle them all if they ever do.  Half the problem is Bioware has always been vague about what the gameplay mechanisms are and how they should be working, so is it a bug or Working as intended™ So we don't know if they are just ignoring them, unaware of the issue (like the armour one) or working on it because they don't comment on it.

 

On the otherhand screaming a torrent of abuse at a Dev that does post isn't acceptable either.  They do not deserve that, I'm very sure they want the project that they've invested months or years into, to be something proud of.  Blame the management for the decision to ship the game in the state that just about runs and "fix it in post".  That is becoming the industry standard and THAT needs to be addressed. 

 

Bioware needs to have a community manager to tackle the problem or at the very least borrow a good PR staffer from EA.  Not just write off the whole community as "Toxic" and refuse to talk to us.

 

I saw the game had potential from the start but quit after the DLC dropped for a while.  However right now I find it playable and fun.  I've been lucky since patch 3 (PC) I've not had the key bug and am going to simply re-learn how to play the Reaver.

[the Dame]

Why I'm here despite the fact that I find DAI mediocre?

Because I care. I fell in love with beautiful world and lore they created in DA:Origins. I've played it numerous times and still find it fascinating. 

Dark, mature and mesmerizing setting which don't try to paint you black or white, but to highlight complexity of human nature. 

But thats for me. Some of my friends couldn't even finish first PT telling me that "game sucks". Ok, that's their opinion, I respect that.

 

And I agree with OP that sometimes, while reading a post, can't help but to wonder: "You don't like it, then what are you doing here?". 

And it is really frustrating to listen to countless unreasonable complaints. Emphasis on unreasonable. 

 

But while you express your anger and tell me (because I'm one of those "complainers") to just go away, you missing vital (in my opinion) point. 

I care for DA franchise and I'm hurt and I feel deceived, but all I see as responce from devs is prima-donna attitude. 

 

Do I blame personaly anyone from BioWare? No. As a rule I separate personal and professional.

Do I expect devs to release a game absolutely bug-free? No. I understand. Something always go wrong.

Do I want devs to make or change a game, following my whims? No, I respect their right to create a game they want. I will judge final product.

 

I can undestand many things. I'm very tolerant gamer.

But I can't stomach their PR and complete loss of franchise self-identification.

Was it me, PC gamer & "complainer", who forced them to come up with "made for PC gamers by PC gamers"?

Or lines like "Dragon Age, if it was a television show, would be on HBO"? 

Or return Origins tactical view as abomination? 

Or mess up kb/m controls? Or for not properly beta-testing it for PC?

Many of people complaints not even PC-exclusive.

...

 

But, seriously, I'm just sad.

I don't want insult anyone or try to diminish your love for DAI. If you enjoying it, that's wonderful.

But try to undestand our point of view too. 

As for myself, I finally understood (yes, it seems I'm slow leaner) that I'm not "customer" for BioWare I'm just "consumer".

[Yumi]

You know, I was a much more pleasant peasant before I forumed.

I even did a complete PS4 playthru on normal without noticing bugs that now, I can't help but notice.

Yeah I'm that filthy casual that did a playthru on normal ._.

CURSE YOU BSN!

[Courtnehh]

It would be like if you went to a restaurant and ordered a steak. And the steak is so melt-in-your-mouth amazing you tell all your friends how amazing this steak is. You go back to the restaurant the next day and you have the steak again. Its still amazing! This time it has peppercorn sauce which is cooked to perfection. You are happy as f*ck. Then the third day, you visit the restaurant and you order the steak. The waiter brings out a boiled shoe.'What the f*ck?!' you say. 'I ordered the steak, not this shoe! I cant even eat this!'. Nevertheless, you leave and go home without saying anything, thinking this must be some kind of cruel joke.

 

4th day. You come back to the restaurant. You order the steak. Another shoe. This time you speak up and ask the waiter, 'hey, I ordered the steak but this is just a shoe! I cant eat this!'. The waiter shrugs and walks back to the kitchen without saying a word. You are pretty miffed. But the steak was amazing the first few times, so its got to be worth another shot right? 

 

5th day. There is an announcement on the front door. 'Steak is back on the menu!'. 'Great!' you think. Ill get that. You excitedly run into the restaurant. You order the steak. Shoe. This time, you stand up and shout 'Hey, you in the kitchens, I ordered the damn steak, where is it? Why haven't your suppliers given you any beef to cook? You said there would be steak!'. The chef responds, 'Why are you complaining? We have some of the best suppliers in the catering business! They would never bring us shoes without telling us!'. You sit down and leave, getting kind of frustrated. 

 

6th day. Shoe.

 

7th day. Steak! You didn't enjoy it as much though because you spent the whole day wondering if you would get a shoe or not. 

 

8th day. Shoe. Thats it. You take photos of the shoe and start recording on your mobile phone. 'Hey chef? What the hells going on? I ordered steak and you aren't giving it to me? I paid for this steak already!'. The chef responses 'Ive just about had it with your complaining. If you hate this restaurant so much why dont you go and find a different one?'. You notice the chef speaking to his friend 'god these customers never are happy, I dont give them steak, they want steak. I give them half cooked steak, they want it cooked properly. I give them a shoe, they say they dont like it!' You write this down too. 

 

9th day. You post your findings onto a billboard where everyone who visits the restaurant can see it. Some people are outraged. They were promised steak too. They also think the chef has a bad attitude and needs to be held accountable for his actions. Some people side with the chef. 'Well, he was just telling his friend, so he shouldn't be held accountable for that'. Then the chef responds. 'Well it looks like you've taken these photos at such an angle that it looks like i am a bad chef! You used to be a good customer, now I see that you are the villain in all of this! A sneaky villain! Im never telling you people what each dish on the menu contains again!'.  

I see what you did there.

[Zorinho20_CRO]

yeah I'm that filthy casual that did a playthru on normal ._.

CURSE YOU BSN!

I did it on Casual

Too bad I didn’t find any codes for god mode,for even more cheese.

[TheOgre]

You know, I was a much more pleasant peasant before I forumed.

I even did a complete PS4 playthru on normal without noticing bugs that now, I can't help but notice.

Yeah I'm that filthy casual that did a playthru on normal ._.

CURSE YOU BSN!

 

>.> lol yeah this forum has that effect on people doesn't it

[Drasca]

I'm here to share cool strats & jokes, not deal with toxic behaviour.

[Cryos_Feron]

You are complaining about the "toxic" environment of this community, yet you created your own thread provoking them in a toxic way

exactly.

[Bocochoco]

It wasn't the bugs, or the missing maps, or BWAmelia's communication, or the Reaver nerfs, or anything like that. It was, without a doubt, the toxic responses from this "community". I use the term "community" lightly because that implies some sense of togetherness, mutual respect, or progressive desire to build...not tear down. Honestly for every build advice/strategy thread I'd see, there were 3 "lol this game sucks". Before the controversy of the patch the excuse was RNG loot, lack of progression, and a million examples of why DAMP isn't as good as ME3MP. I have a question for those in this "community" who are absolutely disgusted with BioWare, DAMP, or whatever else you're raging at this week.
 
Why are you here?
 
What possess you to post responses in a forum for a video game that you loathe? Why do you spend so much time ranting about something you don't like and just go find something that you actually enjoy? What are you hoping to accomplish by staying? Do you realize that this is abnormal behavior? It's not healthy adjusted behavior. Normal people who don't care about something, have stopped enjoying something, or experience severe anger/anxiety over something,  STOP engaging in that behavior.
 
Why are you here?
 
I couldn't care less about competitive water polo so guess what? I don't populate whatever official web forum community exists surrounding the sport, ranting about how much I hate how the players look, how dumb the game is, and how stupid fans are for enjoying the sport. It's not a priority in my life. It's not on my radar of "things to give a **** about". That's what "not caring" REALLY looks like. So, before you post your next rage filled rant, just stop and ask yourself...
 
Why are you here?

I made my account for the simple fact that I wanted answers and quickly realized there were none like so many others