I think the devs are going to walk this ability back somewhat. It is just too overpowering otherwise to make sense.Somniari are able to actually kill people in the fade. I imagine that means they can kill each other too.
Felassan. What happened to him? (Spoilers from The Masked Empire)
#26
Posté 23 janvier 2015 - 04:00
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#27
Posté 24 janvier 2015 - 02:56
My bet is a Forgotten One or stripe-stockings Corypheus himself, honestly. That would be the main tie-in to DAI since it wasn't Briala and the eluvians. Who else desperately wants in and out of the Fade as they wish but can't?
It'd make sense if he tries and fails with the Crossroads first, and is then approached with the Orb. The Orb would be a much easier way to achieve his goals, and also much more melodramatic. Corypheass loves his drama.
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#28
Posté 24 janvier 2015 - 03:43
Ridiculous theory aside, the scene does make it clear that Felassan sees his boss as scary, dangerous, and unforgiving. Though Solas can certainly be ruthless (Flemeth/Mythal is supposed to be a dear friend, but that doesn't stop him from killing her - assuming she dies in that last scene) but I don't really see him as those other things. There's also the fact that, if the entity in the Fade is in fact his killer, said entity doesnt bother to let him finish speaking before offing him. Doesn't really fit Solas' curious and pragmatic nature. He is after all the one companion who will consistently approve if, during Judgement scenes, you find a way to redeem or use the people who wrong you.
Also, the end scene seems to suggest that Felassan's boss can only be accessed in the Fade - as he considers not sleeping/keeping himself from dreaming as a viable way to avoid him/her. Which would rule out Flemeth as well. So my guess is that it was one of the pantheon that Fen'Harel trapped within the mirrors. I think it's possible that Felassan was a slave, who would look up to Fen'Harel as someone who rebelled against such a system, hence his constantly mentioning him. Or using him to inspire Briala, whose cause he admired.
Then again, the way Felassan used Imshael and the Dalish clan to get the Eluvian key, pitting the two against each other in the process, is a very Dread Wolf thing to do. Crazy implausible theory #2: Felassan believed he was working for Fen'Harel, but it was actually someone posing as him...
Now, I'm not super opposed to the idea that it was Solas, as much as I love the character... But it seems on the one hand too obvious (which isn't really Weekes' style), but on the other hand doesnt quite fit. Regardless, I hope we find out in a DLC at least.
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#29
Posté 24 janvier 2015 - 03:44
I've been wondering about this too. I do think it was Fen'Harel. There definitely is a comparison to be drawn between Briala and Solas, so I think Felassan was going to say "you" as well. Also, Felassan just seems like he could be willing to serve Fen'Harel. He doesn't speak fondly of elven "nobility" and acts a bit like Solas, what with the being all cryptic and wily. I'm not sure why Solas would just kill him, but we don't know the history of the relationship. Maybe Felassan betrayed him or something at some point but Solas wanted to make use of him instead of needlessly disposing of a possible tool. But when he stopped being useful, he got rid of him. I suppose it could be someone else, but Fen'Harel makes the most sense to me. I hope we do find out more about Felassan and what really happened eventually though.
First...I'm SO Happy to see this was just started again since I finished the book for the first time this morning!
Second...I agree with this, and I wonder if with killing Felassan if he didn't actually kill him. I read very carefully, and went back through a couple parts to get a full description of Felassan and couldn't find any description of hair. I know it's a silly thing, but at first, I was wondering if Felassan was Solas. After finishing the book, I'm wondering now if Felassan was Fen'Harel's servant and ended up providing the body he used as Solas? Of course you'd think Briala would recognize him later, but maybe removing the vallaslin was enough to throw her off?
#30
Posté 24 janvier 2015 - 04:21
Plot twist... Felassan IS Solas. Or, Solas IS Felassan. Maybe Solas possessed him? Would that work with the timelines? I suppose characters from TME would recognize him if he were present at the ball, but other than that... Maybe?
More importantly... Why did Fen'Harel kill/possess the elf Felassan? It messes up my "Solas is Shartan, based on that picture of a bald elf holding an orb behind Andraste and the 1000 year timing or something" theory if Solas is Felassan's body.
#31
Posté 24 janvier 2015 - 04:22
After finishing the book, I'm wondering now if Felassan was Fen'Harel's servant and ended up providing the body he used as Solas? Of course you'd think Briala would recognize him later, but maybe removing the vallaslin was enough to throw her off?
I thought about this too, but Mhiris doesn't recognize him either, so I don't think he does. Though I think that might've been a mark of service, in addition to the vallaslin, Back In the Day. The folks at the Temple of Mythal are also bald, or at least seem to be.
I've definitely met my bald-elf-man quota, though. Solas, Felassan, Zathrian... ![]()
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#32
Posté 24 janvier 2015 - 05:39
after listening a bit to the theories, the only one that really sticks out is a rival god to solas... if that's the case, the only one solas really seems to have any issues with was falon din... in the what pride had wrought main quest, we view some stuff about other gods and the one he has the biggest problem with is falon din, saying that he was a ruthless murderer who massacred his own kind and was killed when a few of the gods decided it was time to stop him, andruil was also brought up as a hunter goddess who hunted her own kind for sport, but he didnt seem as hostile in his tone when he talked of her.
#33
Posté 25 janvier 2015 - 02:29
the key thing to me for trying to figure out who it is, is who wants access to the eluvians?
Obviously you can use more than just a passphrase to get in, I.E Morrigan, Flemeth, Celene/Briala (before activation of the network).
So this person either doesn't have the power to manually open an Eluvian like presumably Flemeth did. or a key stone like Morrigan and Celene/Briala had.
And someone who decided to kill Felassan in the fade, maybe because it was the only way or just for convenience.
And since Morrigan stated that these Eluvians can connect to anywhere, its possible there is one located where ever a trapped Elf God is and he/she wants out.
#34
Posté 25 janvier 2015 - 03:26
You know, I'm pretty disappointed that DAI didn't deal with Briala having the keystone or why Solas (or whoever is in charge) wants the keystone.
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#35
Posté 25 janvier 2015 - 03:34
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#36
Posté 25 janvier 2015 - 07:42
I really like this as a solution as well, because it ties Solas to TME and it also gives us a hint about a possible future antagonist.
Solas doesn't show much interest in Briala, but he could be playing coy.
The Orlais part of Inquisition did a really shitty job relating to what exactly happened with Briala and the eluvians imo.
At the very least, the fact she has the eluvians and can use them, isn't that interesting enough for the Inquisition to look into?
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#37
Posté 25 janvier 2015 - 10:18
I'm hoping the whole reason they skirted round the eluvian plot carried over from Masked Empire is that it is going to play a major part in the next instalment and they couldn't reveal more without spoilers. I found it very disappointing that the only reference to Briala having access to eluvians is if you recruit Michel and one of the options for using him is to talk with Solas abut them. However, that results in absolutely nothing by way of additional information. I also thought it odd that when Morrigan shows you her eluvian you don't get the opportunity to discuss the fact with Solas, considering they are clearly a bit of ancient elven magic that you would naturally think would interest him. Presumably either this was overlooked or it was thought too difficult to find a way to let him talk about them and not compromise his cover story.
If Solas was the one who killed Felassan then not only would you think he would be more interested in Briala but also in Morrigan's eluvian, which if he is in your party when you use it, he has to know about. However, being a god I suppose he can play a long game until he feels the moment is right.
I suppose Fen'Harel could have killed Felassan and then used his body, even altering its appearance so people wouldn't recognise him. Something is not quite right in the whole Solas identity thing; I thought he was an ancient elf but I do wonder if he was just what he said, a simple elf who liked exploring the Fade who then encountered an entity that merged with him in much the same way as Justice did Anders, the faith spirit did with Wynne or even Mythal did with the woman Flemeth. There does seem to be an element of the split personality, sometimes he thinks of the elves as "his" people, at others it is the Fade spirits. Either that, or that is exactly what the elven gods were, Spirits that became more complex and "material", like Cole.
I really hope they do clear up what happened to Felassan eventually and why because I really liked him as a character and until the end of Masked Empire was really hoping he would be Solas. At present it does seem that Fen'Harel was the most likely candidate to have killed him but equally it could have been another as yet unrevealed character, either one of the elven gods or one of their servants.
#38
Posté 25 janvier 2015 - 12:09
DAI isn't over.You know, I'm pretty disappointed that DAI didn't deal with Briala having the keystone or why Solas (or whoever is in charge) wants the keystone.
#39
Posté 25 janvier 2015 - 02:43
I don't see any split personality in Solas, though I know it's hard to say that when he's duplicitous the whole time. His problems are with modern elves because they are so far removed from elvhen as he knew them. The spirits are more like ancient elves than modern elves are. Spirits also can reflect back to him a time when he wasn't alone. So I don't think there's any contradiction there.I'm hoping the whole reason they skirted round the eluvian plot carried over from Masked Empire is that it is going to play a major part in the next instalment and they couldn't reveal more without spoilers. I found it very disappointing that the only reference to Briala having access to eluvians is if you recruit Michel and one of the options for using him is to talk with Solas abut them. However, that results in absolutely nothing by way of additional information. I also thought it odd that when Morrigan shows you her eluvian you don't get the opportunity to discuss the fact with Solas, considering they are clearly a bit of ancient elven magic that you would naturally think would interest him. Presumably either this was overlooked or it was thought too difficult to find a way to let him talk about them and not compromise his cover story.
If Solas was the one who killed Felassan then not only would you think he would be more interested in Briala but also in Morrigan's eluvian, which if he is in your party when you use it, he has to know about. However, being a god I suppose he can play a long game until he feels the moment is right.
I suppose Fen'Harel could have killed Felassan and then used his body, even altering its appearance so people wouldn't recognise him. Something is not quite right in the whole Solas identity thing; I thought he was an ancient elf but I do wonder if he was just what he said, a simple elf who liked exploring the Fade who then encountered an entity that merged with him in much the same way as Justice did Anders, the faith spirit did with Wynne or even Mythal did with the woman Flemeth. There does seem to be an element of the split personality, sometimes he thinks of the elves as "his" people, at others it is the Fade spirits. Either that, or that is exactly what the elven gods were, Spirits that became more complex and "material", like Cole.
I really hope they do clear up what happened to Felassan eventually and why because I really liked him as a character and until the end of Masked Empire was really hoping he would be Solas. At present it does seem that Fen'Harel was the most likely candidate to have killed him but equally it could have been another as yet unrevealed character, either one of the elven gods or one of their servants.
I think people get the idea of a body snatching from Flemeth, but Mythal was murdered and had to "claw her way back." As far as we know, nothing like that ever happened to Fen'Harel. Even with her, Flemeth says that Mythal is part of her like your heart is part of your chest. That's pointing towards a unity of being. Obviously they can transfer power. Mythal supposedly transfers her godhood to Morrigan according to dev notes, so body transfer can't be ruled out, but I think it's also possible that the elf Solas remembers is simply himself before he became so powerful that he was recognized as a god.
#40
Posté 25 janvier 2015 - 02:47
Can Gaspard kill her in DAI? I haven't seen that. Anyway that's what I said- Solas isn't very interested in her one way or the other, which seems odd if Felassan was her mentor and was reporting to Solas.
All in all, Solas' reaction to Briala is puzzling.
He orders her executed unless you blackmail him, presumably he doesn't personally put the noose around her neck but the implication is clear.
Not just Briala, all elves, at times he is loathe to compare himself to modern elves (particularly Dalish he has less vitriol for city elves) and if Briala is dead he laughs at the notion of elves being "his people", but then go find one of those ward thingys and he'll say "I sense an artifact of my people"
#41
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Posté 25 janvier 2015 - 02:54
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Elvhen =/= Dalish or City Elves. This can't be said enough.
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#42
Posté 25 janvier 2015 - 03:02
Elvhen =/= Dalish or City Elves. This can't be said enough.
I agree, but if a guy was claiming to be a Roman Citizen not Italian he'd probably get more than a few odd looks
#43
Posté 25 janvier 2015 - 03:19
#44
Posté 25 janvier 2015 - 06:36
Modern elves are mostly cut off from the Fade, so they're little more than humans with pointy ears. It's just as clear from other dialogue that Solas does identify with modern elves, but is dismayed at how they've devolved. I think his banters with Sera are instructive here. He starts out hoping he can awaken some sense of the elvhen in her, but ends up saying "you will never be elven." To him being elvhen is more than just a physical trait.Not just Briala, all elves, at times he is loathe to compare himself to modern elves (particularly Dalish he has less vitriol for city elves) and if Briala is dead he laughs at the notion of elves being "his people", but then go find one of those ward thingys and he'll say "I sense an artifact of my people"
But still, if Felassan indeed was his associate, then he would have gotten reports about Briala presumably. He's not very impressed with her, though he acknowledges she was trying to help the oppressed. You'd think he'd be more interested in testing her as he did Sera.
#45
Posté 27 janvier 2015 - 07:30
It's kind of not very logical to hide the password from Fen'Harel when the password is "Fen'Harel's blessing". So I would presume the mysterious eluvian-seeker who killed Felassan in the Fade was not Fen'Harel.
That, and I think Solas has a thing for freedom and persuasion - I doubt he'd 1) bind a follower with blood writing; 2) kill a valuable ally/tool without trying to convince him first.
I agree.
Since Fen'Harel was the one who did the trapping, doesn't make any sense he would need password.
Since the entity who needed it was trapped by Fen'Harel, if we see Felassan's last words in that context "I suspect you'll hate this, but she reminds me of ....." 'Fen'Harel' makes more sense than 'you'
Felassan was a follower/fan of Fen'Harel but chose to serve a different entity is not illogical.
#46
Posté 28 janvier 2015 - 05:34
I just finished the book tonight.
The whole book Felassan had me really puzzled - I kept thinking he was just like Solas, but he would never wear vallaslin even as a disguise and his voice, the way he talked sounded more sassy than Solas. My best theory while still reading was that Felassan was the unholy lovechild of Solas, Dorian and Abelas ![]()
Then came the end and confirmed that Felassan couldn't be Solas - right?, but so many more questions remain. I'm having a hard time making sense of it and I'm happy (and even more confused) to see all the theories in this thread. I thought I'd throw some of my own thoughts out here:
1) Some seem to think that it makes no sense for Solas to need the password to activate the eluvians, but remeber that this is the same Fen'Harel who was too weak to activate his focus after awakening from uthenara.
2) Whoever the figure in the fade was (and although Felassan was afraid of his/her reaction to the news), it is unlikely but possible that that person was not the one who killed Felassan:
"He never heard the blow that killed him"
could very well be because his killer was killing his body outside of the fade at that moment. He never did set wards.
3) I think Felassan actually was an ancient elf, like Abelas, who had awakened and was now helping Solas or possibly Mythal, I can think of nobody else, save for Cory, who would have known about what was about to happen to the world, like Felassan told Imshael.
#47
Posté 01 février 2015 - 06:31
I found it interesting how Felassan convinced Imshael to leave Mihris' body:
Felassan said nothing, just smiled, twisting the tattoos around his face.
"Oh, my," Imshael breathed. "Is that a promise?"
"Well, I was going for more of a threat."
Unless Felassan is communicating telepathically with Imshael here, all he does is smile. How does that get the information across that Orlais is going to be, in Imshael's words, "quite exciting"?
I'm probably reading way too much into this, but I have the impression that the smile changes the vallaslin pattern in a way that means something to Imshael. Why else should they be mentioned? Then again, it could just be Briala's fascination with Felassan's face in general, as it's written from her perspective.
#48
Posté 01 février 2015 - 10:38
Otherwise, I do think that Felassan is at the very least a servant of one a the elven gods (forgotten or not) which might explain his admiration of Fen Harel, and his general bitterness + last act of defiance.
He reminds me of a disgruntled worker following orders that he doesn't like and doing the best he can to undermine his boss.
#49
Posté 01 février 2015 - 10:46
DAI isn't over.
I'd rather deal with it in the main game then some DLC.
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#50
Posté 02 février 2015 - 12:45
I found it interesting how Felassan convinced Imshael to leave Mihris' body:
Felassan said nothing, just smiled, twisting the tattoos around his face.
"Oh, my," Imshael breathed. "Is that a promise?"
"Well, I was going for more of a threat."
Unless Felassan is communicating telepathically with Imshael here, all he does is smile. How does that get the information across that Orlais is going to be, in Imshael's words, "quite exciting"?
I'm probably reading way too much into this, but I have the impression that the smile changes the vallaslin pattern in a way that means something to Imshael. Why else should they be mentioned? Then again, it could just be Briala's fascination with Felassan's face in general, as it's written from her perspective.
I believe the implication was that Felassan can speak to Imshael telepathically. I can't help but feel that someone was nudging Corypheus into his actions, much like Fen'harel was nudging the Inquisition along (and occasionally mailing them a castle).
I'm definitely in the "It wasn't Solas who killed Fen'harel,".
I'd never considered that he might have been killed in the waking world, Cecilia, leaving behind a very confused boss. There was even talk earlier about the Dreamers being killed during an uprising in uthenera. So either outside interloper or a Dreamer powerful enough to crush him instantly.
I also see him as a disgruntled worker, but the moment with Imshael makes it look like he's looking forward to what they're trying to accomplish.
My money's on Falon'din or Dirthamen. Falon'din has gotten a lot of ominous foreshadowing, and is the twin-soul heavily associated with wandering the Fade. Dirthamen is more physical, but in Tyrdda Bright-Axe he apparently tries to take down Arlathan by subverting human tribes. Their being stuck behind an Eluvian but having regained the ability to dream as the Red Lyrium Markings talk about just makes sense to me.
Felassan also makes reference to his clan as being rather unpleasant. Solas talks about having been on his own for a very, very long time. I think Solas is aware of other ancient elves still alive, as he alludes to with Abelas. While surprised to see the Sentinels of Mythal, I think, the other gods are apparently sealed away, not having been assassinated. Felassan was likely someone similar.
I don't see many ancient elves having the security to enter uthenera outside of their old temple-fortresses.





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