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[DementedSheep]

Fine, let's go with mature then... they were notable, kind of gross, but cool.

 

Well since its mature themes you're bemoaning the loss of if they introduced desire demons back but had them in the form of half naked purple men who run their hands down their chest in an overtly sexual manner the problem would be solved? Note: I have no issue with the female desire demons. I also don't have an issue with half naked female statues around the place in DA:I.

 

All the bad guys in DAI were cookie cutter versions of eahc other, every heavy enemy is the same, guard when they do the three swing attack. Same for elves, same for humans, same for darkspawn. Most of the bosses you don't know are bosses until they're half dead... there was no question in DAI when you were facing a boss. You got cinematics and conversation, not just a codex entry and extra hit points.

 

This has absolutely nothing to do with dark or mature or  even themes in general. This is just lazy boss designs.  One of the problems with DA:I is it has a big world but very little enemy variety and relies to much on reading the codex entries or listening to easy to miss background conversations to know what's going on. 

 

DAI is much more PC, which is very strange for a company that has always sort of pushed the limits just a bit.

 

Pushing the envelope with what? DA:O had more horror elements than the average rpg but it wasn't really pushing the limits for games in that regard. 

[TheOgre]

I suppose the in your face defilement of a city elf from a human noble, the downright racism and prejudice you could face as an elf mage, desire demons possessing children, a small child being murdered by Arl Howe's soldiers, having to choose whether or not to recruit dwarf golems (which are practically slaves) to continue their existence and battle for your cause, Leliana's past, or the other really grim dark scenarios I thought were all really tame and on par with DA:I? I don't think so.

[Maverick827]

If BioWare removed desire demons because they were pressured into appeasing people who were offended by them, then that is wrong and I want them back.

 

If BioWare removed desire demons because they legitimately empathized with people who were offended by them and wished to no longer offend those people, then that's fine, but I disagree and as a consumer voice my opposing opinion in wanting them back.

 

If BioWare removed desire demons because they wouldn't fit in this story, didn't have the time or resources, etc., then that's fine, but I still want them back.

 

They don't have to be half-naked, though they should be alluring.  There should be male versions.  There should be other versions (like Kitty).  I just want desire demons back because they offered interesting characterization opportunities.  The single desire demon from Arl Eamon's quest offered more compelling choices than all of DAI combined, in my opinion.

[TheOgre]

If BioWare removed desire demons because they were pressured into appeasing people who were offended by them, then that is wrong and I want them back.

 

If BioWare removed desire demons because they legitimately empathized with people who were offended by them and wished to no longer offend those people, then that's fine, but I disagree and as a consumer voice my opposing opinion in wanting them back.

 

If BioWare removed desire demons because they wouldn't fit in this story, didn't have the time or resources, etc., then that's fine, but I still want them back.

 

They don't have to be half-naked, though they should be alluring.  There should be male versions.  There should be other versions (like Kitty).  I just want desire demons back because they offered interesting characterization opportunities.  The single desire demon from Arl Eamon's quest offered more compelling choices than all of DAI combined, in my opinion.

 

 

There can be plenty of good models that aren't 'whorish'. Unique is good for either male or female! Human looking desire demons, eech.. But hey..

[rpgfan321]

I do miss Broodmothers.

[RenAdaar]

*imagines broodmother in new engine* 

 

.....

 

*vomits*

[Ending]

*imagines broodmother in new engine* 

 

.....

 

*vomits*

They are just dwarven brood mothers, I am still waiting for a Qunari and Elven. Human doesn't really bother me.

[Rawgrim]

If BioWare removed desire demons because they were pressured into appeasing people who were offended by them, then that is wrong and I want them back.

 

If BioWare removed desire demons because they legitimately empathized with people who were offended by them and wished to no longer offend those people, then that's fine, but I disagree and as a consumer voice my opposing opinion in wanting them back.

 

If BioWare removed desire demons because they wouldn't fit in this story, didn't have the time or resources, etc., then that's fine, but I still want them back.

 

They don't have to be half-naked, though they should be alluring.  There should be male versions.  There should be other versions (like Kitty).  I just want desire demons back because they offered interesting characterization opportunities.  The single desire demon from Arl Eamon's quest offered more compelling choices than all of DAI combined, in my opinion.

 

Violated EA's PG-13 policy.

[Wevryn1]

I miss the days when everything wasn't broken on release.  I miss the days where it didn't take half a year to fix those issues too.

[Punahedan]

Straight people are the norm. It is difficult to call it agenda, it is merely an orderly distribution of focus. It is healthy and well suited for most of the people, unlike other, less fortunate constructs of ill willed minds(BioWare DA:I agenda).

His dad is a good man. His only fault was to botch the blood ritual. In fact, I'm surprised he did not send assassins after Dorian because he is nothing but shame stain on his family's lineage. And no, there should be option to call her 'her'. It is intrusive, immersion breaking and downright wrong to force players to call woman 'man'.

No. You don't even have basic decency to use the correct pronouns for someone. You don't deserve an actual response. I hope you never become a parent.

[daveliam]

No. You don't even have basic decency to use the correct pronouns for someone. You don't deserve an actual response. I hope you never become a parent.

 

To be honest, it's best not to respond.  There's a level of delusion there that is best left speaking in a vacuum. 

[LarryDavid]

Disregarding the fact that we're not talking about producing something, we're strictly talking about consuming something, then tour entire analogy rings false.
Also because you are in the majority, it's unsurprising that you have nonregard for sample size, because why would you? It has always been, thus it will always be. (I am that I am...) Where as the numbers ARE changing, so who are you to decide what I consume? As a straight guy, you have a near infinite amount of entertainment to choose from, those of us who aren't straight guys, don't. So no, I don't give a flying bug if your feelings are hurt because a game company decided they wanted to broaden their reach (which is a smart move) in order to appeal to more people. Because here's the rub that offended straight guys miss...including more people means more opportunity for your product to be shared by more people. They're obviously not hurting for money by inclusion, so until the day comes when it becomes profitable to exclude people again, they won't. The world is changing my money is just as good as yours and Bioware is producing content that I like.
Deal
With
It.

 

 

It seems that for you imagining things that are clearly not written takes precedent over what is actually written. So this will probably be a futile attempt.


The analogy was about using 'equality' as an argument; it had nothing to do with production or consumption. But if it makes it easier for you, let's take something you can consume. A bakery wants to start producing cookies with a chocolate topping. After a survey it turns out that 9 out of 10 costumers want a white chocolate (WS) topping and 1 out of 10 costumers want a dark chocolate (DS) topping. So which chocolate combination should the baker take as topping, provided each cookie has to have the same topping? Some options are

- Half WS and the other half DS -> equal amount of S per preference group

- 9 times more WA than DS -> percentage of WS (DS) is equal to the percentage of people who prefer WS (DS)

- Only WS -> each costumer gets an equal vote and the winner takes it all.

 

As above, you can use the word 'equal' objectively when you compare quantities. However, objectivity is lost whenever you make statements like "treating the costumers equal means that ...". Depending on his own standard, the baker can decide what it means for him to treat his costumers equally and choose the topping accordingly.

 

You can only treat people equally according to your own standards and values and you should realize that there are other people who's standards and values are as valid as yours. It is not for you to decide what equal, in this context, means for someone else in the same way it is not for you to decide what someone else should find beautiful.

 

In my post I have said nothing about my point of view in this matter. That I have a problem with LGBT content (and implied by your tone, LGBT people in general) and that I think the majority should decide all is purely your imagination speaking.

[atlantico]

It's fact. Do you want me to pull up the story where the lead developer, a gay man, is intereviewed and speaks about how he feels he must insert gay issues into the game because gay issues are important to talk about and how he is always having to consider if he is putting enough in so it's not ignored but not too much where everybody feels it's shoved down their throats?   It's right here..... http://www.gamespot....r/1100-6417843/  I and many others don't want ANY gay rights issues in the games.  I don't play video games to hear stupid gay rights preach sessions.  If they want gay characters in the game that's fine, but leave the stupid preach sessions out of it! 

 

Please, don't give Gaider more credit than he deserves, he's just the lead writer - were he the lead developer... oh boy.

[atlantico]

Actually, it's about ethics in gaming journalism.

 

Ethics in game journalism? Go on, that's something that's at least mildly interesting. What is ethics in game journalism about?

[tmp7704]

Violated EA's PG-13 policy.

Considering that hardly stopped presence of other elements which earned the game M rating I don't think there's such policy to speak of. Just complaints of people disappointed they didn't get to see a pair of purple ****** this time.

[atlantico]

Considering that hardly stopped presence of other elements which earned the game M rating I don't think there's such policy to speak of. Just complaints of people disappointed they didn't get to see a pair of purple ****** this time.

 

DA:I does not deserve an M rating. 

[LinksOcarina]

I miss the days when everything wasn't broken on release.  I miss the days where it didn't take half a year to fix those issues too.

 

Oh the rose-colored glasses are on today...I can name several buggy games on release that never got fixed, and others that took years to fix on the PC. So don't go there since that's a lie. 

 

Hell, one word for you. Arcanum. That was 2001 and it took a massive patch to fix it...even when it wasn't fixed fully. 

[Spectre Impersonator]

Please, don't give Gaider more credit than he deserves

He takes care of that on his own.

[LinksOcarina]

DA:I does not deserve an M rating. 

 

The amount of breasts, sexual and psychological abuse, torture, death and destruction says otherwise. 

 

I always find it odd what people think is and isn't mature...it's...just strange. 

[atlantico]

The amount of breasts, sexual and psychological abuse, torture, death and destruction says otherwise. 

 

 

Breasts are PG-13, inferred sexual/psychological abuse is PG-13, implied torture is PG-13, death and destruction are and have always been PG-13. 

 

I always find it odd that people don't understand ratings.

[LinksOcarina]

Breasts are PG-13, inferred sexual/psychological abuse is PG-13, implied torture is PG-13, death and destruction are and have always been PG-13. 

 

I always find it odd that people don't understand ratings.

 

So why don't you understand this one then?

 

I mean, breasts PG 13? You really are clueless how the ESRB works are you?  And the sexual/psychological abuse is not inferred, its directly stated. 

 

Just to prove the point, the summary from the ESRB itself.

 

 

 

Rating Summary: This is a role-playing game in which players assume the role of a warrior battling evil forces in different dimensions. Characters use swords, axes, hammers, and magic attacks to kill fantastical creatures (e.g., demons, monsters, dwarfs) and humans in melee-style combat. Cutscenes sometimes depict characters impaled or getting their throats slit. Violent sequences are often highlighted by cries of pain, gurgling/gushing sounds, and large blood-splatter effects; blood remains on the ground in several environments. The game includes some sexual material: a female character briefly depicted in front of a man's torso (fellatio is implied); characters depicted topless or with exposed buttocks while lying in bed or after sex; some dialogue referencing sex/sexuality (e.g., “'I will bring myself sexual pleasure later, while thinking about this with great respect'” and “The way your t*ts bounce when I pin your arms and take you on the side of the bed…”). The words “f**k,” “sh*t,” and “a*shole” appear in dialogue.

[tmp7704]

DA:I does not deserve an M rating.

ITT: people know better what deserves a rating than the official rating board.

[atlantico]

So why don't you understand this one then?

 

I mean, breasts PG 13? You really are clueless how the ESRB works are you?  And the sexual/psychological abuse is not inferred, its directly stated. 

 

Well, I know you are but what am I? Great rhetoric!

 

Of course breast are PG-13, if the scene is short, breasts are not touched and done in a tasteful way. The sexual/psycological abuse must be shown, otherwise it is considered, inferred.

[atlantico]

ITT: people know better what deserves a rating than the official rating board.

 

ITT: people think they know what deserves a rating because it has that rating, but won't and can't explain it.