The problem with desire demons isn't that fact that there are breasts. Its the fact that the breasts are just shoved in there for no reason. Its not about being desirable, as you get exactly the same thing when they are appearing before straight female characters.
If they changed it so sometimes they were sexy naked men instead of always being women, there would be no problem.
Do you remember mass effect the first? It have a scene of total nudity american tv yelled scandal about it... Then the later games those content been utterly censored...
And we got laughtable things like ash making a shower in underwear....(if you can't render a shower scene because you are not comfortable and you fear scandals why adding a scene like that?
Same happened at the romance scenes between dragon age origin and dragon age 2... In origin character had underwear in those scenes while in dragon age 2 were always dressed or in the case of merryl.. a corset from nowhere....
At the same time we had a pirate girl "isabela" traveling in corset long boots and perizoma in our party....
Do i feel inquisition more mature? no.. not at all.... The mainquest was ok... "even if felt like already seen as a situation and sometimes i had the impression was inspired by mass effect triology..."
But romances was not handled at all in a mature manner....or even certain situations..And then.. we had the "choice demon" dressed like a random dude... such a shame...
Fox news is not politically correct...
...and again sex scenes in DAI were more explicit than in the previous two, so the whole Bioware-went-prude-with-their-romances argument holds no water...
Warning, this footage contains leliana getting it on with warden
http://youtu.be/-Swxcn2ANyg?t=55s
I admit to only seeing the cassandra scene.. but that wasn't a scene, that wasn't a "oh happy warm feel"
This covered leliana's breast. We get side boob with Cassandra. We see her to jump back on the inquisitor but that's about it.
That DA:O scene, as short as it was, had more fire to it and lewd at the same time, IMO first off, can't speak for other dudes but theres more to imagine with that scene then what happened with Cassandra.
The problem with desire demons isn't that fact that there are breasts. Its the fact that the breasts are just shoved in there for no reason. Its not about being desirable, as you get exactly the same thing when they are appearing before straight female characters.
If they changed it so sometimes they were sexy naked men instead of always being women, there would be no problem.
AND I WOULD SUPPORT THAT, despite all the comments I've made. We get human desire demons. It just so happens the most cruel and vile ones showed off their ******.
Nothing against male desire demons if you make them actually demon-y and lewd, WITH choices that actually differ from outright kill!
Brilliant argument.
"The only people who seem overly concerned about traffic lights are those that, despite repeatedly stating that it is not about the traffic lights, constantly keep bringing up the components 'streets' and 'crossings' which happen to involve traffic lights in daily life..."
Surprise: Women have breasts. This game has women. Therefore, this game has breasts. Shocker! Does this mean we're not allowed to talk about the game at all any more, for fear of being labelled "pervs" as implied in your statement ("overly concerned about boobs and breasts")?
Seriously, I think you need to tone down on this kind of dismissive and diffamatory jibe, because it does not contribute to the discussion at all beyond making your 'moral' standpoint abundantly clear. Thanks for that, I think I've understood it by now.
I will tone it down the day Varric gets a brazilian wax and Isabela wears a goddamn coverall...
But, I firmly support people to like whatever they want and I believe that if people would worry a lot less about what other people like, they would make their own lives and those of everyone around them a lot easier. If you like boobs, by all means like them, the majority of the heterosexual male, lesbian female and bisexual population probably like them. Decorate your dining room with boobs if you want...you are just a normal person who likes stuff...
My point here is...do you know what is also in DA:O, but not in DAI?
Abominations
Werewolves
Sylvans
Shrieks
Golems
Shadow Warriors (DA2)
Yet, not once have I seen anyone call out Bioware for leaving these out of DAI, while Desire Demons and Broodmothers have probably been brought up at least 100 times in the last week alone...why aren't people noticing these things if it isn't about the boobs?
I will tone it down the day Varric gets a brazilian wax and Isabela wears a goddamn coverall...
But, I firmly support people to like whatever they want and I believe that if people would worry a lot less about what other people like, they would make their own lives and those of everyone around them a lot easier. If you like boobs, by all means like them, the majority of the heterosexual male, lesbian female and bisexual population probably like them. Decorate your dining room with boobs if you want...you are just a normal person who likes stuff...
My point here is...do you know what is also in DA:O, but not in DAI?
Abominations
Werewolves
Sylvans
Shrieks
Golems
Shadow Warriors
Yet, not once have I seen anyone call out Bioware for leaving these out of DAI, while Desire Demons and Broodmothers have probably been brought up at least 100 times in the last week alone...why aren't people noticing these things if it isn't about the boobs?
I'm going to be completely honest, because I did not remember them. I really should play DA:O again.
But desire demons were unique in the encounters. it wasn't just about the breast for me. Can't say the same for others.
Werewolves? I would still think there are SOME in the world, there are people who don't help either side resolve the werewolf curse completely.
Sylvans, again, we go to the wilds a lot but we don't see them.. what the heck?
The rest should easily make it into the game but they didn't. Okay, you win on this note Paper but if they were clothed and still had the iconic look, thoughts?
edit: It could also be due to how PC the game looks overall and because what others here in the thread touched on. They took those out because it had to do with how in your face Krem is and how many barely clothed dudes are in the game.
The problem with desire demons isn't that fact that there are breasts. Its the fact that the breasts are just shoved in there for no reason. Its not about being desirable, as you get exactly the same thing when they are appearing before straight female characters.
If they changed it so sometimes they were sexy naked men instead of always being women, there would be no problem.
I will tone it down the day Varric gets a brazilian wax and Isabela wears a goddamn coverall...
But, I firmly support people to like whatever they want and I believe that if people would worry a lot less about what other people like, they would make their own lives and those of everyone around them a lot easier.
My point here is...do you know what is also in DA:O, but not in DAI?
Abominations
Werewolves
[...]
Yet, not once have I seen anyone call out Bioware for leaving these out of DAI, while Desire Demons and Broodmothers have probably been brought up at least 100 times in the last week alone...why aren't people noticing these things if it isn't about the boobs?
It would be interesting if, during the game set-up, you could choose what certain key monsters look like - i.e. male or female desire demon, etc. That way, you could really have more input into how things look as you play through the game and create your legacy.
Maybe a certain "style" of monsters - darker and more scary vs. a little less dark and gritty?
At least as far as I'm concerned, you are attempting to carry owls to Athens. Full agreement from me, hence my suggestion for a switch on character creation. Shouldn't even be *that* hard to implement. The current form is a bit sexist, in that it always assumes the character to be interested in women, which obviously not everybody is.
But... the chesthair! That's what makes Varric sexy.
And Isabela? A coverall? I don't even...
This shouldn't have to be said, but thank you.
Eh, I think your perception must be very narrow if you missed me clamoring for a lot of those. I dearly miss the god-damn old Rhyming Tree! Or his nemesis, the Mad Hermit -- both were brilliant atmospheric additions that brought wonder to the world of Thedas. Shale was awesome, and my mouth is almost frothing from having said so often that I miss similarly well-written characters and atmospheric additions from DA:I. This game is mushed potatoes with just a dash of salt. I miss peperonis, cream, glazed onions, chocolate, etc. (not all at the same time!).
Oh, and I don't care for Shrieks. Blasted vermin.
I don't think that there should only be female desire demons, it'd be unrealistic if we're talking about desires. With that said, I didn't forget about the make your own desire demon companion 
.
Chest hair Varric, I dont know how you wouldn't want varric without the chest hair!
Overalls mod is probably done for Isabella, what psychotic person would go through the length to make it a thing.. Ahhh...
Rhyming tree :*( I suddenly remember that, where did it go!?
I'm going to be completely honest, because I did not remember them. I really should play DA:O again.
But desire demons were unique in the encounters. it wasn't just about the breast for me. Can't say the same for others.
Werewolves? I would still think there are SOME in the world, there are people who don't help either side resolve the werewolf curse completely.
Sylvans, again, we go to the wilds a lot but we don't see them.. what the heck?
The rest should easily make it into the game but they didn't. Okay, you win on this note Paper but if they were clothed and still had the iconic look, thoughts?
edit: It could also be due to how PC the game looks overall and because what others here in the thread touched on. They took those out because it had to do with how in your face Krem is and how many barely clothed dudes are in the game.
Clothed or not doesn't make a difference to me...I would object to using them for purposeless objectification of either gender, but there is no causual connection between objectification and nudity. You can have nudity without objectification and you can have objectification without nudity. All in all I never analyzed them much deeper than I analyzed the werewolves and I didn't consider why they weren't any in DAI more than I considered why there weren't werewolves. The BSN forums is the whole reason I even noticed at all.
Eh, I think your perception must be very narrow if you missed me clamoring for a lot of those. I dearly miss the likes of the god-damn old Rhyming Tree! Or of his nemesis, the Mad Hermit -- both were brilliant atmospheric additions that brought wonder to the world of Thedas. Shale was awesome, and my mouth is almost frothing from having said so often that I miss similarly well-written characters and atmospheric additions in DA:I. This game is mushed potatoes with just a dash of salt. I miss peperonis, cream, glazed onions, chocolate, etc. (not all at the same time!).
Oh, and I don't care for Shrieks. Blasted vermin.
I am not following all the threads closely, so your thoughts on these things may have eluded me...nevertheless, the boob-themed creatures do come up a lot more often (like in the very title of this thread)...maybe it is just trending where people tend to follow what others say...but where is the love for the poor abominations?
Clothed or not doesn't make a difference to me...I would object to using them for purposeless objectification of either gender, but there is no causual connection between objectification and nudity. You can have nudity without objectification and you can have objectification without nudity. All in all I never analyzed them much deeper than I analyzed the werewolves and I didn't consider why they weren't any in DAI more than I considered why there weren't werewolves. The BSN forums is the whole reason I even noticed at all.
Shameless male here, but I was looking forward to desire demons from DAO DA2 but it didn't happen in the form I wanted them. I was disappointed when I saw what Imshael looked like too and thats when i came to the forums. Hah!
I am not following all the threads closely, so your thoughts on these things may have eluded me...nevertheless, the boob-themed creatures do come up a lot more often (like in the very title of this thread)...maybe it is just trending where people tend to follow what others say...but where is the love for the poor abominations?
The talk of gender equality for desire demons makes the cynic in me wonder if anyone's complained about the lack of male Asari yet.
Shameless male here, but I was looking forward to desire demons from DAO DA2 but it didn't happen in the form I wanted them. I was disappointed when I saw what Imshael looked like too and thats when i came to the forums. Hah
And that gives you a lot more respect in my view...because even though it is of course not only about the sex appeal, it plays a part and I respect people who will admit to that because there is nothing wrong with being a bit horny...who doesn't like sexy?
The talk of gender equality for desire demons makes the cynic in me wonder if anyone's complained about the lack of male Asari yet.
I'm sure someone has. I'm fine with them, but you do have to admit that they are pretty much ******-bait, right? A race of sexy bisexual blue alien ladies who wear skimpy and/or tight outfits? That being said, I don't see the need for there to be a race of sexy bisexual blue alien men who wear skimpy and/or tight outfits. But, if there were? I'd love to see the reaction on BSN.....
I'm sure someone has. I'm fine with them, but you do have to admit that they are pretty much ******-bait, right? A race of sexy bisexual blue alien ladies who wear skimpy and/or tight outfits? That being said, I don't see the need for there to be a race of sexy bisexual blue alien men who wear skimpy and/or tight outfits. But, if there were? I'd love to see the reaction on BSN.....
Well, now I know the theme for my next Haloween bash.
Pics or it didn't happen!
Pics or it didn't happen!
For the record..
And that gives you a lot more respect in my view...because even though it is of course not only about the sex appeal, it plays a part and I respect people who will admit to that because there is nothing wrong with being a bit horny...who doesn't like sexy?
I might have been more reserved with my shouts of indignity about female desire demons being missing if I remembered all the other things removed. I really guess the breasts did leave an impression on me I didn't even remember broodmothers but its probably because they were ewwww.. LOL
Fox news is not politically correct...
...and again sex scenes in DAI were more explicit than in the previous two, so the whole Bioware-went-prude-with-their-romances argument holds no water...
They did a little step forward at least showing some nudity in inquisition... but again nudity don't mean mature per se. As i sayd i miss the desire demon female or male one... Was one of the demons most interesting in my view different from the classic and clichè
Mhauhauhauhauahauhau im a bad big demon tearing people to pieces.....
I had fun with the connor quest in DAO that was indeed a mature designed quest.... it can end well or possibly end in cruel tragic manner depending on your choice....Unlike DAI where choices where streamlined and don't provide statisfation at least for me...
DAO had mature themes... Drama.... I don't see it like dark fantasy.... More like mature heroic fantasy...
DAI went too much generic for my taste... And even moments that wanted to make you feel sad or dramatic event are potrayed in a rushed way if not even in a shallow way....
Considering pretty much 90% of activity in inquisition is: "mash the monster and fetch things..." that was a little disappointing.....
I don't think the dragon age franchise will return a mature one....
Now if i want dark themed quest... with interesting scary and not creatures..and mature themes.... I look at the witcher series...
Heh. I don't disagree with you at all, Monica... but your post just drives home (again) how subjective this discussion is. I personally found The Witcher's 'grittiness' too tacked-on for my tastes, too artificial. It didn't help that sex in that game was absolutely gratuitous and buried the idea of romance altogether (I mean, TW professes his 'undying love' ™ for that one mysterious woman, but casually bangs every other female being that hasn't managed to flee onto a tree by the count of three... and amasses a room full of "I f*cked this girl" 'score' cards... wtf). I have no qualms about casual sex if you want to drive your protagonist's character that way, but eh... the option to have some more complexity would be very welcome, thank you. (That is why I generally prefer(red) Bioware games to competitors', because they used to thrive on complex relationships. *cough*)
Sadly, your topic has 17 pages but I'm only one of the 13 people who liked your post.
I feel like the more overpopulation expands the gaming market, the more dumbed down and simplistic gaming becomes profitable.
But this is idiotic. You don't need to show any of these things to write a mature storyline. And having all of them - even having incredible torture porn level gore - doesn't mean something is mature. Saw isn't mature.
Two different things, one a mature storyline, the other what rating boards consider mature.
Two different things, one a mature storyline, the other what rating boards consider mature.
I'm not (in that post) saying you're wrong to say DAI is not as mature. Just that even if you're right you haven't proved its not as mature.
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