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[Kleon]

Feminists were complaining that desire demons sexualize and degrade females and that broodmothers degrade females too. Bioware catering to those who don't even buy their games.  Feminists got all good stuff taken out of bioware games and go off to another place for their rants.  I think I will start a video game production company where when feminists complain about how females are portrayed or lgbt complain not enough gayness and preach sessions we tell them to F themselves and if they don't like it, don't play it. I'm sure market is ripe for the 95% who don't want the 5% dictating what is or isn't in the video games.  

 

Funny that people foget that there were no male desire demons anywhere in Dragon Age as if men were not capable of being sexually attractive - thats sexist and stereotypical. Male body is beautiful too. 

 

Extreme feminists are blind haters who can't even acknoledge the beauty of human body, all they see is themselves as victims.

[United Servo Academy Choir]

Sounds like a metaphor for Bioware's descent in political correctness.

 

"Political correctness" is a buzz word that says a lot about the person who uses it.

 

Normal human beings just call it empathy and decency. That people could so sincerely want to distance themselves from those things is mind boggling.

[TheOgre]

Sloth assumed a variety of different forms including those of other demons. More powerful demons are not locked into one shape, and that difference is something that sets them apart from weaker, stupider demons. Which makes sense for... you know who... because it is supposed to be an ancient, very powerful demon, not just some random demon with exotic jewelry and a habit of groping itself in public.

Then wouldn't they call this demon something else? Honestly man, the game has desire female demons form the same universe. Why are they locked to one form and he isn't? I can blindly accuse them of saying this desire demon was far more powerful than the female desire demons, this being men are more powerful.. The fucked up thing is I could probably be on to something there.

[Spectre Impersonator]

God I'm glad I managed to just have fun playing a game and enjoyed the funny dialogue without being offended by some phantom agenda.  It sounds very tiring.

Almost as tiring as the hundreds of fetch quests and monotonous plodding through empty environments. 

"Political correctness" is a buzz word that says a lot about the person who uses it.

 

Normal human beings just call it empathy and decency. That people could so sincerely want to distance themselves from those things is mind boggling.

If that's meant to be an accusation, it lacks any steam without specifics. Sorry. Vague statements like this are easy to throw out there but without some solid example of what you're talking about, it's empty.

[berelinde]

Then wouldn't they call this demon something else? Honestly man, the game has desire female demons form the same universe. Why are they locked to one form and he isn't? I can blindly accuse them of saying this desire demon was far more powerful than the female desire demons, this being men are more powerful.. The fucked up thing is I could probably be on to something there.

Not every sloth demon you encounter in DAO is as powerful as the one who sends you into the Fade. Most look like meatbag abominations. You encounter a more powerful, alpha version of it standing over Niall's failing body, and it has more powers and is able to assume more shapes than its less powerful, stupider brethren. It stands to reason that some desire demons would be more powerful than others, and that they might not look the way some players expect them to. Could it have presented as a female? Possibly. In the Masked Empire, the demon seemed to identify as male.

 

(shrugs)

 

I just found it to be a refreshing change of pace, and that's as far as I'm going to look into it.

[Kleon]

"Political correctness" is a buzz word that says a lot about the person who uses it.

 

Normal human beings just call it empathy and decency. That people could so sincerely want to distance themselves from those things is mind boggling.

 

Empathy and decency? More like censorship and forcing others to follow someone else's ideology. 

[tmp7704]

Then wouldn't they call this demon something else? Honestly man, the game has desire female demons form the same universe. Why are they locked to one form and he isn't?

They aren't locked down. They choose to show in that particular form.

(out of game the reason is probably they didn't have resources to make custom model for every demon, and so the desire demon got the cut this time. Just like before they didn't make multiple models for it but stuck with one.

David Gaider had a couple of relevant articles on his blog a while ago, that may be useful read: 1, 2

[TheOgre]

Not every sloth demon you encounter in DAO is as powerful as the one who sends you into the Fade. Most look like meatbag abominations. You encounter a more powerful, alpha version of it standing over Niall's failing body, and it has more powers and is able to assume more shapes than its less powerful, stupider brethren. It stands to reason that some desire demons would be more powerful than others, and that they might not look the way some players expect them to. Could it have presented as a female? Possibly. In the Masked Empire, the demon seemed to identify as male.

(shrugs)

I just found it to be a refreshing change of pace, and that's as far as I'm going to look into it.

Look, I'm just going to stick with my stance on it too then. They should have had a unique starter skin for the "desire" demon if they were going to call it that, that's my opinion and mine alone.

[tmp7704]

Empathy and decency? More like censorship and forcing others to follow someone else's ideology.

One person's freedom figher is another one's terrorist, yes.

[Yulia]

Not a lot of Darkspawn as there is not blight. It makes sense you wouldn't see much of the "big bad" from the Deep Roads. I do miss desire demons though! I really wanted to see what they'd look like in the new engine BioWare has but oh well. It's their game and I respect it never the less. Maybe the next DA game will involve a blight and more monsters will show. I imagine some are tired of hearing about the blight though so who knows.

[berelinde]

It's ironic. People are flipping tables over this, but nobody seems to notice that six identical Wardens control six identical shades at the Ritual Tower during Here Lies the Abyss. Do all Grey Wardens look alike? Are they all brown-haired, freckled males?

 

(It's just something that makes me giggle. Besides the 6 Wardens, the same face model is used for Sera's contact in the Verchiel March, as half the Hessarian Blades, and a fair few random messengers. It happens. That doesn't mean that all Wardens are male, or that there is some mystical connection between the Hessarian Blades and Orlesian Grey Wardens.)

[United Servo Academy Choir]

Empathy and decency? More like censorship and forcing others to follow someone else's ideology. 

 

Excessive and unnecessary. Gonzo.

Modifié par TommyServo, 23 janvier 2015 - 07:35 .

[tmp7704]

Look, I'm just going to stick with my stance on it too then. They should have had a unique starter skin for the "desire" demon if they were going to call it that, that's my opinion and mine alone.

I don't think this is really necessary -- pride demons are on the record of often masquerading themselves as regular humans, e.g. Thus it's not strange for the desi-, sorry, choice spirit to do the same, especially when it's made clear in the game that the demon is specifically pretending to be a human, so its human allies don't freak out.

[SkyKing]

They aren't locked down. They choose to show in that particular form.

(out of game the reason is probably they didn't have resources to make custom model for every demon, and so the desire demon got the cut this time. Just like before they didn't make multiple models for it but stuck with one.

David Gaider had a couple of relevant articles on his blog a while ago, that may be useful read: 1, 2

 

Good link, so this is what the stupid feminists told bioware, I'm copying it from the article....."I completely understand this in almost any other monster situation, but I think we all gotta agree the desire demon is a special case of standard female objectifying sexualization that perhaps should be reorganized with it’s own special case answer" - so obviously instead of bioware telling them to F off, they removed the female desire demon.

 

Good job everybody who supports feminists, etc, and says they don't try to force their agendas down your throat. They just censored and had preachy stuff put in your game.

[N7 Spectre525]

Actually, there were 5, if we are counting DA: A.  In Sigrun's recruitment quest (the dwarven ruins), there are three Broodmothers in a pit that crush by releasing giant chains around the room. 

Good on you, I totally forgot about those lol.

[Feranel]

I don't think this is really necessary -- pride demons are on the record of often masquerading themselves as regular humans, e.g. Thus it's not strange for the desi-, sorry, choice spirit to do the same, especially when it's made clear in the game that the demon is specifically pretending to be a human, so its human allies don't freak out.

 

Also so this thing called The Inquisition that's been rampaging around the land killing all demons on sight don't, y'know, kill it on sight.  I bet there's a few NPC's hanging around, possibly Skyhold even, that are desire demons keeping there heads down so they don't get chopped off.

 

Hell, Herren is also a desire demon and never reveals itself, cause it's not stupid and it has a good thing going with Wade.

 

That's right I think Darkspawn Chronicles is canon.

[berelinde]

I don't think this is really necessary -- pride demons are on the record of often masquerading themselves as regular humans, e.g. Thus it's not strange for the desi-, sorry, choice spirit to do the same, especially when it's made clear in the game that the demon is specifically pretending to be a human, so its human allies don't freak out.

Good point! It makes excellent sense for a... choice spirit... to present in a form the local Red Templars would find relatable.

 

Plus, he... it... is an interesting character. It was a fun encounter. I realize that the development team can't possibly add that much individuality into every encounter, but it made the quest memorable. It was one of my favorites.

[SkyKing]

You're post suggests that 1) you don't really think about what you're saying, and 2) that you're not really that knowledgeable about some of the things you hold strong opinions about. That's not surprising, here on the internet.

 

I don't believe that any of this is compulsory, least of all playing the game in the first place. If these things made me so mad, I'd play a different game, and probably post somewhere else. Like Breitbart.

 

Tell me more about how bioware pre-disclosed that DAI would have LGBT preach sessions and feminist censorship inserted in the game.  

[Winged Silver]

Tell me more about how bioware pre-disclosed that DAI would have LGBT preach sessions and feminist censorship inserted in the game.  

 

I would think most players would find your claims to be of an exaggerated nature. Including LGBT elements is not preaching. And Bioware has always held this stance. Their including LGBT issues is not anything new.

[Frenrihr]

So much truth right there. They have been shoving it down our throats for years now. I wish they kept their socio-political stances out of their games.

 

I was so rolling my eyes with the Krem situation. I was like..."really Bioware?" And then the whole speech by Iron Bull almost trying to justify Krem's identity.

 

I wanted to throw up. Not because of the character, but because of how blatantly Bioware was shoving their SJW agenda down my throat... which is one of the many reasons I will not spend a penny on a BW game again.

 

I won't support this.

 

I let that .... die with their companions and put Iron bull in the right path, one of the achievements of my inquisitor.

[tmp7704]

Plus, he... it... is an interesting character. It was a fun encounter. I realize that the development team can't possibly add that much individuality into every encounter, but it made the quest memorable. It was one of my favorites.

Yeah, I really enjoyed that bit, too. You could tell it's Dangerously Genre Savvy.

"blah blah blah"

[Kleon]

You're post suggests that 1) you don't really think about what you're saying, and 2) that you're not really that knowledgeable about some of the things you hold strong opinions about. That's not surprising, here on the internet.

 

I don't believe that any of this is compulsory, least of all playing the game in the first place. If these things made me so mad, I'd play a different game, and probably post somewhere else. Like Breitbart.

 

I wonder if you ever took a moment to think about what you swallow from TV and pondered whether what they shove down your throat is actually what is coherent with your knowledge about the world, scientific knowledge and  values which you follow, if you follow any. 

 

I would also question your knowledge about methodology of research within the field of psychology and other social sciences. Not to mention objective analysis of statistical data. Do you even know what you base your "worldview" on? 

[United Servo Academy Choir]

Tell me more about how bioware pre-disclosed that DAI would have LGBT preach sessions and feminist censorship inserted in the game.  

 

Tell me why the tiniest thing that challenges your worldview apparently makes you lose your goddamn mind.

 

Furthermore, if you hate the game and are so certain that Bioware has gone off the rails into SJW la-la land, tell me why you're still here and posting. Nothing you say is going to have any effect on the direction they take. Thankfully.

[SkyKing]

I would think most players would find your claims to be of an exaggerated nature. Including LGBT elements is not preaching. And Bioware has always held this stance. Their including LGBT issues is not anything new.

 

Here is the difference between LGBT elements being preachy or not preachy.  If it was not preachy, then Dorian would have merely been a gay character and left at that.  Here are the preachy elements,  when dorian says he is gay, "dialogue option: What do you mean you are into men" - to get a preach session.  Then his personal quest, no idea what the personal quest is about but once it happens then it's a whole story on being oppressed for being gay and his daddy trying to change him. All dialogue options are for supporting him only.  Then with Krem, it didn't stop after Krem saying what he is, then Ironbull and and other dialogue going on and on about it.     NONE of that dialogue and options are for the LGBT community.  Gay people won't be asking what it means to be gay, or wanting a game where the gay character isn't accepted by their father for being gay,  ALL of those elements were put in for the NON LGBT community to be preach sessions and to push their agenda.  

[N7 Spectre525]

They made a desire demon male. They got rid of whorehouses. You got naked Cullen literally running around in the game. You got gay Dorian with side boobs showing. The Iron Bull has his phat boobs hanging out. And Krem is always standing on a chair putting her junk in your face.

Agenda achievement unlocked.

Its funny because when I got to the card game the first thing I thought when Cullen streaked was what a shitstorm it would have caused if it was Josie,Sera or even Leiliana running naked. I guess its cool cause its only a dude.