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[fireproof_boots]

 

 

Now in this game, if they didn't put the Dorian preach session in, what would his personal quest have been like? He was a tevinter mage who has left his people, could have been a great story, instead it's a preach session w/ his parent not being accepting.  

 

When playing a game, it's an escape to another world. When fighting monsters, saving the world, etc, then suddenly a preach session it's like stopping the game for an announcement from LGBT activists about gay issues before resuming the real game.  

 

But it literally is still playing the game.  Dragon age games are a narrative, a story about the world and characters in it.  Go read a fantasy novel, a whole bunch of them will be influenced by the ideas, beliefs, morals, and world experiences of the author.  This game is no different, it is a story written by authors.  Some of those authors are gay, and the experience of being rejected by their parents might be a very real thing.  So it is an author putting their personal experiences into the story they are writing.  You just don't like their story.  So don't read the book man.  Its like reading the Chronicles of Narnia and getting pissed off at the Christian themes and allegory.  Don't read a book by a devout Christian.  

 

I get that you want to play the Dragon age games without dealing with the views of the writers, but that's just not how story telling works.  You're literally telling the author's of a story not to put their ideas in it if you don't agree with them.  How are they the censors? 

[Abyss108]

I spent 130 hours on my first play through of this game. I spent maybe 2 hours at most playing through content that related to lgbt issues. The horror.

 

I think some of you played a very different game...

[berelinde]

Quote me where I've made that clear,  I've made quite the opposite clear.  

 

As for if I don't like bioware does, play a different game?  How about if the feminist and LGBT community didn't like the bioware games, they make their own games instead of protesting bioware to make these changes then telling everybody who didn't like what THEY complained about to change to then play a different game.  They complained to change those things, so I'll complain to change them back and if you don't like it, then YOU play a different game.  

The development team isn't combing the boards, looking to see which groups are offended by their decision to include more diverse content. They're making the games they want to make, gradually introducing changes according to their own plans, and sometimes seeking feedback from fans about what has and has not been well received.

 

You make it sound as if they wanted to make a game specifically tailored to your preferences all along, but were forced at gunpoint to offer more inclusivity. That simply isn't true. They made the game they wanted to make. You just didn't like it.

[Winged Silver]

You are ignorant then.  Many tv, video game, etc, companies are bullied into adopting those things.  Threatened with bad PR for being against equality, rights, etc, if they don't comply, etc.  You only need look at some of the top LGBT activist organization websites about their tactics, sending messages and emails, scouring for things that don't include their content and what to write/threaten about, pressuring for their changes, etc.   A lot of these things in shows and games, etc, are not the company itself thinking they should do it, but because of activists and threats of having a bad public image if they don't comply, etc.  

 

When has Bioware not had an LGBT aspect? I don't think they got 'bullied' into anything. I think the company has always been into creating diverse games. Their success, is entirely up to each player, but it doesn't seem accurate to say the only reason Bioware includes LGBT themes is because they were forced to.

[FKA_Servo]

You are ignorant then.  Many tv, video game, etc, companies are bullied into adopting those things.  Threatened with bad PR for being against equality, rights, etc, if they don't comply, etc.  You only need look at some of the top LGBT activist organization websites about their tactics, sending messages and emails, scouring for things that don't include their content and what to write/threaten about, pressuring for their changes, etc.   A lot of these things in shows and games, etc, are not the company itself thinking they should do it, but because of activists and threats of having a bad public image if they don't comply, etc.  

 

You apparently just started paying attention to what Bioware's been doing over the past couple of years, then.

 

No one forced them with Juhani in KoTOR. Or the barely acknowledged but certainly present Sky romance in JE. No one forced them to put bi romance options in DAO and Mass Effect.

 

That was all on them. People just started paying attention, and it picked up momentum because it was popular.

[SkyKing]

I spent 130 hours on my first play through of this game. I spent maybe 2 hours at most playing through content that related to lgbt issues. The horror.

 

I think some of you played a very different game...

You spent 120 hours doing fetch quests.  8 hours doing story content and 2 hours doing LGBT content.  Let's keep it realistic lol.  

[tmp7704]

You are ignorant then.  Many tv, video game, etc, companies are bullied into adopting those things.  Threatened with bad PR for being against equality, rights, etc, if they don't comply, etc.

But surely that would just win them brownie points from that supposed majority who wants none of that preachy SJW bullshit and can't stand the screeching feminists?

[Il Divo]

You are ignorant then.  Many tv, video game, etc, companies are bullied into adopting those things.  Threatened with bad PR for being against equality, rights, etc, if they don't comply, etc.  You only need look at some of the top LGBT activist organization websites about their tactics, sending messages and emails, scouring for things that don't include their content and what to write/threaten about, pressuring for their changes, etc.   A lot of these things in shows and games, etc, are not the company itself thinking they should do it, but because of activists and threats of having a bad public image if they don't comply, etc.  

 

I'm getting flashbacks of when Legend of Korra's Book 4 finale was released. 

[eyezonlyii]

Whenever I read a thread from an upset straight guy about the lack of fits, or the gay agenda:

[SkyKing]

Most of the bullying is hidden, people not seeing the emails and correspondence to the companies, but a clear case that was very public was Chick Filet, when the owner who said in his churches newsletter (his church who believes in straight marriage) that he supports that, that whole lgbt community calling for EVERYBODY to boycott chick filet. Not entitled to his own opinion, and hurt everybody who doesn't share his opinion who owns or works at chick filets.  But that one backfired.  

[daveliam]

It's fact. Do you want me to pull up the story where the lead developer, a gay man, is intereviewed and speaks about how he feels he must insert gay issues into the game because gay issues are important to talk about and how he is always having to consider if he is putting enough in so it's not ignored but not too much where everybody feels it's shoved down their throats?   It's right here..... http://www.gamespot....r/1100-6417843/  I and many others don't want ANY gay rights issues in the games.  I don't play video games to hear stupid gay rights preach sessions.  If they want gay characters in the game that's fine, but leave the stupid preach sessions out of it! 

 

Oh good lord.  How has this turned into an LGBT thread?  Seriously, how in the world does the lack of demon and darkspawn boobs have anything to do with LGBT content.  You're all getting your talking points confused.  Your rage is supposed to be aimed as feminists.  Not LGBT.  <smh>

 

......They have been shoving it down our throats for years now.......

...... and pondered whether what they shove down your throat is actually what is coherent with your knowledge about the world, scientific knowledge and  values which you follow, if you follow any. .....

 

Okay, can everyone please stop using "shoving it down your throats" in response to LGBT content.  All it does is make me think of raging straight guys fellating gay content.  It's so beautifully Freudian that it's distracting and it's certainly not helping your point.

 

Sounds like a metaphor for Bioware's descent in political correctness.

 

Funny, to me it sounded like a metaphor for all the QQ and foot-stomping that's been going on in this thread over the lack of virtual demon boob.

 

Here is the difference between LGBT elements being preachy or not preachy.  If it was not preachy, then Dorian would have merely been a gay character and left at that.  Here are the preachy elements,  when dorian says he is gay, "dialogue option: What do you mean you are into men" - to get a preach session.  Then his personal quest, no idea what the personal quest is about but once it happens then it's a whole story on being oppressed for being gay and his daddy trying to change him. All dialogue options are for supporting him only.  Then with Krem, it didn't stop after Krem saying what he is, then Ironbull and and other dialogue going on and on about it.     NONE of that dialogue and options are for the LGBT community.  Gay people won't be asking what it means to be gay, or wanting a game where the gay character isn't accepted by their father for being gay,  ALL of those elements were put in for the NON LGBT community to be preach sessions and to push their agenda.  

 

I.....I just don't even know where to begin with this.  That's all optional content.  If it pushes you into rage this much, don't click on it.  People say that they want realistic characters, but then complain when characters act realistically.  I'm gay.  If I was dealing with an emotional moment and my sexuality came up and my colleague said, "Huh?  What do you mean you're gay?", I'd be ****** annoyed too.  Dorian acted as realistically as I would expect him to in that situation.  Where's the problem? 

[eyezonlyii]

Also, it's bullying tactics when women and lgbt groups send emails and petitions to be included, but guys making multiple clone complaint threads is...?

[SkyKing]

Oh good lord.  How has this turned into an LGBT thread?  Seriously, how in the world does the lack of demon and darkspawn boobs have anything to do with LGBT content.  You're all getting your talking points confused.  Your rage is supposed to be aimed as feminists.  Not LGBT.  <smh>

 

 

 

 

I combined the two, pretty much activists making changes in the game. But yes, desire demons removed was due to feminists not LGBT. 

[daveliam]

Most of the bullying is hidden, people not seeing the emails and correspondence to the companies, but a clear case that was very public was Chick Filet, when the owner who said in his churches newsletter (his church who believes in straight marriage) that he supports that, that whole lgbt community calling for EVERYBODY to boycott chick filet. Not entitled to his own opinion, and hurt everybody who doesn't share his opinion who owns or works at chick filets.  But that one backfired.  

 

Also, this is wrong.  The boycott was in response to his massive donation of money (acquired via Chik-Fil-A revenue) towards anti-gay legislature.  Get your talking points correct, please.  People can think whatever they want, but when you donate money to take my rights away, you're damned right I won't be buying your sandwiches so that you can use my own money against me.  Shame too because I used to love those damn sandwiches.  They are tasty.

[tmp7704]

Also, it's bullying tactics when women and lgbt groups send emails and petitions to be included, but guys making multiple clone complaint threads is...?

When it's latter then it's "consumer revolt".

[Feranel]

Whenever I read a thread from an upset straight guy about the lack of fits, or the gay agenda:

 

Nonono, you gotta use this one:

 

[AresKeith]

Why would we see Brood Mothers where Darkspawns aren't even relevant at the moment?

[FKA_Servo]

When it's latter then it's "consumer revolt".

 

Actually, it's about ethics in gaming journalism.

[SkyKing]

Also, it's bullying tactics when women and lgbt groups send emails and petitions to be included, but guys making multiple clone complaint threads is...?

 

It's doubled sided,  you see all the replies saying if you don't like it, don't play it?  Then why are they sending emails and petitions, if they don't like it, then how about they don't play it.  If there is are no games that appeal to the LGBT community then somebody can start making games geared towards them and make a lot of money. But sending emails and petitions to have things removed and changed in existing game series then when those who don't like those changes complain they say to play another game then, they should have taken their own advice. 

[daveliam]

I spent 130 hours on my first play through of this game. I spent maybe 2 hours at most playing through content that related to lgbt issues. The horror.

 

I think some of you played a very different game...

 

And that's a pretty generous estimate.  If you avoid a gay romance, then the LGBT "content" consists of one 5 minute conversation with Dorian and his dad; a handful of passing comments about Celene and Briala; and a completely optional 20 second conversation with Krem.  Honestly, it's about 6 or 7 minutes of gay content unless you do a gay romance.  But, I guess 6-7 minutes in a 6000+ minute game is "shoving it down people's throats", huh?

[eyezonlyii]

It's doubled sided,  you see all the replies saying if you don't like it, don't play it?  Then why are they sending emails and petitions, if they don't like it, then how about they don't play it.  If there is are no games that appeal to the LGBT community then somebody can start making games geared towards them and make a lot of money. But sending emails and petitions to have things removed and changed in existing game series then when those who don't like those changes complain they say to play another game then, they should have taken their own advice.

Umm...someone is making that game. They're called Bioware. It's a good company, you should try them out.

[FKA_Servo]

It's doubled sided,  you see all the replies saying if you don't like it, don't play it?  Then why are they sending emails and petitions, if they don't like it, then how about they don't play it.  If there is are no games that appeal to the LGBT community then somebody can start making games geared towards them and make a lot of money. But sending emails and petitions to have things removed and changed in existing game series then when those who don't like those changes complain they say to play another game then, they should have taken their own advice. 

 

This is just too perfect.

 

Someone did.

 

Heh, ninja'd by Eyezonly.

Modifié par TommyServo, 23 janvier 2015 - 08:29 .

[daveliam]

Umm...someone is making that game. They're called Bioware. It's a good company, you should try them out.

 

And they did it because they wanted to.  Which is exactly what people are asking for.  We want video game companies to make content that they want to make, right?  Because if people have a problem with Bioware wanting to make this content (see the earlier link to Gaider's interview about how it's something he wants to do), then I'm not sure what their point is exactly. 

 

Seems to me that it's a case of:  "A video game company should be free to make whatever content they want and disregard when people 'pressure' them into making content that they want to see.......unless that video game company wants to make content that I don't want to see, in which case, that company should feel pressured to make less of what they want to make and more of what I want to see......"

[eyezonlyii]

And they did it because they wanted to.  Which is exactly what people are asking for.  We want video game companies to make content that they want to make, right?  Because if people have a problem with Bioware wanting to make this content (see the earlier link to Gaider's interview about how it's something he wants to do), then I'm not sure what their point is exactly. 
 
Seems to me that it's a case of:  "A video game company should be free to make whatever content they want and disregard when people 'pressure' them into making content that they want to see.......unless that video game company wants to make content that I don't want to see, in which case, that company should feel pressured to make less of what they want to make and more of what I want to see......"

#thegayagendaiseverywhere
#nodesiredemons
#straightmaleoppression

[Feranel]

#thegayagendaiseverywhere
#nodesiredemons
#straightmaleoppression

 

The only thing I feel oppressed by in DA:I is the lack of a tactics system.

 

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