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[BartDude52]

@Mocksie: To be honest, in my mind, Kaidan is still straight. I mean, come on, you can only romance him as a woman in ME1, and he also tells you that he was interested in a woman as well, so him being bi all of a sudden in ME3 really struck me as odd and it just felt like a retcon. It never made sense to me why they made him bi. Why couldn't they have just left him as a straight romance option and added someone else like James as a bi male love interest instead? That way, gay guys would've still had two options, but now straight women would have had two as well (straight women really got shafted in the romance department in that game).

[drummerchick]

@Mocksie: To be honest, in my mind, Kaidan is still straight. I mean, come on, you can only romance him as a woman in ME1, and he also tells you that he was interested in a woman as well, so him being bi all of a sudden in ME3 really struck me as odd and it just felt like a retcon. It never made sense to me why they made him bi. Why couldn't they have just left him as a straight romance option and added someone else like James as a bi male love interest instead? That way, gay guys would've still had two options, but now straight women would have had two as well (straight women didn't get shafted enough in the romance department in that game).

Fixed that for you.  

[Exile Isan]

It didn't last 10 years. What makes you say that?

 

Load up a female Amell/Surana character into your world state, don't romance Cullen and ask him about the Hero of Fereldan. He still has feelings for her if the quizzy doesn't catch his attention. Hell, even in DA2 he mentions the Amell Warden as never having met "her like again". So yeah his feelings have lasted 10 years. That's not what I would call a simple "crush".

[Generic Guy]

I despise "playersexual," it just makes the world feel so much more fake and characters nothing more than pawns to fulfill the players whims, pandering really, rather than people with their own motivations and personality. Making Cullen bisexual would just come across forced, much like with Anders in DA2, given what was already established in DAO, and too close for me of another case of "playersexual." People are of course free to modify their game (if they can) as much as their hearts content, but any attempt to "soapbox" the issue is a bit silly.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I wonder what the reaction would be is say Sera was at one point in time going to be bisexual but they decided for her to be homosexual, but lines were discovered so people asked to make her bisexual?

[TheTsar_]

He's a straight male, just deal with it.. To be honest, I'm sick to death of games pandering to every god damn sexual orientation. 

[NRieh]

 

It doesn't indicate he's straight, it just indicates that he is attracted to female Amells and Suranas and willing to pursue a romance with female Lavellans and Trevelyans. We have no idea what his criteria are for romantic or sexual attraction, nor do we know the limits. Assuming that he would never be attracted to a man simply because he's not explicitly attracted to any male Warden or Inquisitor is short-sighted

Wow. Your statement just made me bisexual. I think. 

I'm a wife with two kids, and I've always preferred men, but following your logic 'it does not indicate that I'm straight', and 'assuming that I would never be attracted to a woman is short-sited'.

[NRieh]

@Caoimhe 

I've watched the vid, and to me it does not really say anything about Cullen. FemQuisitor has a 'successful' chain of flirts with Cassandra before the 'sorry no progress for the romance' scene happens, they could have a plan to make 'sensitive' dialogue for an Inq that has an ongoing flirt with someone, or it could be anything else.

 

It is no more 'evidence' than ME1 'hidden content', where both Hale&Meer had voiced the entire script for both Shep's genders.    

[Milana]

Argh why did i even read this thread, too many oppressed heterosexuals here....

[Lebanese Dude]

Bah....sexual politics.

[Lebanese Dude]

Didn't Gaider say that all DA2 characters were actually conveniently bisexual?

Considering their personalities I don't find it that hard to believe. Sebastian shoots that notion of playersexuality in the foot.

[Panda]

@Caoimhe 

I've watched the vid, and to me it does not really say anything about Cullen. FemQuisitor has a 'successful' chain of flirts with Cassandra before the 'sorry no progress for the romance' scene happens, they could have a plan to make 'sensitive' dialogue for an Inq that has an ongoing flirt with someone, or it could be anything else.

 

It is no more 'evidence' than ME1 'hidden content', where both Hale&Meer had voiced the entire script for both Shep's genders.    

 

There is voice file for Dorian where he says to Inquisitor that he needs to break up with Cullen first if he wants to have romance with Dorian. Since Dorian is gay means that Cullen would be in romance with male Inquisitor.

 

Well it's not much but at least shows that the lines of Cullen being bi has been recorded by other voice actors than just Inquisitor's ^^

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Load up a female Amell/Surana character into your world state, don't romance Cullen and ask him about the Hero of Fereldan. He still has feelings for her if the quizzy doesn't catch his attention. Hell, even in DA2 he mentions the Amell Warden as never having met "her like again". So yeah his feelings have lasted 10 years. That's not what I would call a simple "crush".

Thats why i don't romance Cullen as a mage, makes me uncomfortable thinking he's just using the Inquisitor as a replacement for the mage HoF aka the woman he wanted but could never have

[TheLastArchivist]

He already did. When asked on Twitter he replied that characters have to justify being straight now? 

 

And that's how heterophobia is born.

Oh look, gays are also intolerant, discriminating, disrespectful people.

 

We are all the same in the end, regardless of sexual orientation. We all want the world to orbit around OUR selfish interests and everyone who thinks and feels differently should burn to death.

 

What an UNsurprising revelation!

[TheTsar_]

Argh why did i even read this thread, too many oppressed heterosexuals here....

Get your head out of your liberal ass. There's a line between equality and damn right ridiculous, and this is ****** ridiculous. 

[Lebanese Dude]

And that's how heterophobia is born.
Oh look, gays are also intolerant, discriminating, disrespectful people.

We are all the same in the end, regardless of sexual orientation. We all want the world to orbit around OUR selfish interests and everyone who thinks and feels differently should burn to death.

What an UNsurprising revelation!

Heterophobia?

Pretty sure nobody here is calling straight people abominable creatures with perverse agendas here. No need to use such wording.

While you are correct that gay people are like everybody else, they are yet to be treated in the same way, so there's no need to victimize heterosexuality.

This thread...

[NRieh]

 

There is voice file for Dorian where he says to Inquisitor that he needs to break up with Cullen first if he wants to have romance with Dorian. Since Dorian is gay means that Cullen would be in romance with male Inquisitor.

That voice file only means that Inq might have some active interest in Cullen, and Dorian is aware about it (e.g. active flirt chain, same as with Cass before the 'no romance possible' scene).

 

Still, no matter what can be found among the source leftovers, only the real in-game content is what counts. The fact that Solas was possibly supposed to have some hair does not change the fact that he's a Bald Elf.  Same for Cullen. Like it or not, but he's straight in DAI.

 

Because the logic in 'he's bi, but we don't know it' is totally broken. That way we can call Dorian bi (or straight even), which had no luck meeting proper woman (and same for Sera&not meeting the right man).

[daveliam]

Because the logic in 'he's bi, but we don't know it' is totally broken. That way we can call Dorian bi (or straight even), which had no luck meeting proper woman (and same for Sera&not meeting the right man).

 

That's a stretch.  Dorian and Sera openly identify as gay/lesbian.  That being said, I agree that Cullen is straight.  It's pretty clear. 

[line_genrou]

Why can't Cullen be straight only and Dorian can be gay only?

[daveliam]

Why can't Cullen be straight only and Dorian can be gay only?

 

Who said he can't?

[Exile Isan]

Thats why i don't romance Cullen as a mage, makes me uncomfortable thinking he's just using the Inquisitor as a replacement for the mage HoF aka the woman he wanted but could never have

 

I don't know. I was worried about this at first too, but it didn't really feel that way to me. Cullen's writer kinda went out of her way to make his love for the Inquisitor something unique. Also he never makes any comparison between the Inquisitor and the HoF whether a mage or not, the dialog when talking about the HoF is exactly the same. Besides, IMO Cullen and Mage Trevelyan have the most in common as they've both lived in the Circle for the majority of their lives. And Cullen has some nice unique dialog concerning a mage inquisitor when you romance him.  

 

It may have also helped in my case that my Trevelyan mage looks nothing like my Amell Warden and that my Amell is kinda doom and gloom (and a little bitter with Alistair dying killing the Archdemon) and my Trevelyan is a little more optimistic.

[Monica21]

Abraham Lincoln was gay. 

 

Because this is what I decide to pick from a Cullen thread ( ) here is the world's foremost Lincoln scholar talking about whether Lincoln was gay: http://www.kpbs.org/...-gay-president/

 

Protip: don't get your history from Buzzfeed or HuffPo. Get it from an actual historian.

[Lebanese Dude]

Why can't Cullen be straight only and Dorian can be gay only?

It's not as simple as that.

First of all, Cullen is a character who has appeared in every game so far. The player has a history with him, and as the Cullen thread showed, before LI reveals were made, a lot of his admirers were gay.

Then there's the fact that straight female characters can potentially get up to 4 straight options, while everyone else got 2.
So Cullen isn't one of two options. He can be safely made bisexual without skewing the options per SO. In fact it would balance it.

Then there's the fact that the second gay romance is a Qunari, who by all accounts, is a little too alien for many people.

Still. I wouldn't change Cullen now via mods. What's done is done.

All I can hope for in this case is that an official romance "Hard for Harding" DLC to fix it, by adding the much needed dwarf romances of Harding, Varric, and bi Cullen

Totally a pipe dream though

[pinkjellybeans]

It doesn't indicate he's straight, it just indicates that he is attracted to female Amells and Suranas and willing to pursue a romance with female Lavellans and Trevelyans. We have no idea what his criteria are for romantic or sexual attraction, nor do we know the limits. Assuming that he would never be attracted to a man simply because he's not explicitly attracted to any male Warden or Inquisitor is short-sighted- unless you know things about his sexuality that neither he nor his writers have shared. Otherwise, until he or his writer states that Cullen is canonically straight, the possibility that he is bisexual still exists.

 

So just because someone doesn't yell in your face "I'm straight!" it means they are automatically bi? The fact that Cullen doesn't feel attracted to a male warden and rejects the male Inquisitor doesn't mean anything? And it has been confirmed several times that Cullen is straight and that's not going to change in the future, yet people are still in denial.

[Lebanese Dude]

This is true. However, a lot of fans really disliked the sudden shift in Kaidan's and Ander's sexuality/personalities. It's retconning done to appease a group of fans that wanted more gay options. These are characters that were very obviously portrayed as straight in previous games, even if it was not explicitly stated, that were randomly changed without explanation in later titles. It makes no sense that Kaidan wouldn't be attracted to Shepard in ME1, but then suddenly become attracted to him in ME3.

 

 

Retcon? Show me in-game documentation that explicitly shows that they are straight. You'll not find any.
You assuming that the character is straight is what's being retconned. Keep it to yourself.

 

Bisexuality implies that a person is attracted to both genders. Just because a guy is in a same-sex relationship doesn't mean he doesn't comment on some girl he finds attractive.

Would it really "fit" for Anders to have said "I just want a pretty partner and the right to shoot lightning at fools"? It just doesn't work. It's far simpler to just stick in "girls", especially since Anders was not initially going to be in DA2 and he was never going to be romanceable. What was the point of using gender-neutral descriptions?

 

Then there's Kaidan. Ignoring the fact that the same-sex scenario was cut out due to anti-gay pressure at the time of release, Kaidan never explicitly reveals his sexual orientation to the player. The hidden sexual tension between them is pretty obvious, only to be escalated in DA2 when he tells you that losing you was like losing a limb. There was no "retcon".

 

They don't need to explain why they were always bisexual because ACCORDING TO THE WRITERS they were always bisexual.