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[Milana]

No it doesn't but my brother was ostracized for it back during the days on the old board.  He was called a bunch of names.

 

Just because he's gay, people assumed he was automatically going to like it and thought he was nuts for hating it.

I remember you post about brother a long time ago.All i can say, gay people can have different tastes too, your brother didnt like that, the others did.End of story. Though the fact that he was bullied over not liking it is just plain stupid. What can u do, there are idiots everywhere.

[Raiil]

Isn't the fact that Cullen was stated to be a het romance enough?

By all means, make a gay/bi knight in shining armour next game, I'm all for it, but why the fuss in this one?

[Mocksie]

Retcon? Show me in-game documentation that explicitly shows that they are straight. You'll not find any.
You assuming that the character is straight is what's being retconned. Keep it to yourself.

 

Bisexuality implies that a person is attracted to both genders. Just because a guy is in a same-sex relationship doesn't mean he doesn't comment on some girl he finds attractive.

Would it really "fit" for Anders to have said "I just want a pretty partner and the right to shoot lightning at fools"? It just doesn't work. It's far simpler to just stick in "girls", especially since Anders was not initially going to be in DA2 and he was never going to be romanceable. What was the point of using gender-neutral descriptions?

 

Then there's Kaidan. Ignoring the fact that the same-sex scenario was cut out due to anti-gay pressure at the time of release, Kaidan never explicitly reveals his sexual orientation to the player. The hidden sexual tension between them is pretty obvious, only to be escalated in DA2 when he tells you that losing you was like losing a limb. There was no "retcon".

 

They don't need to explain why they were always bisexual because ACCORDING TO THE WRITERS they were always bisexual. 

 

That's easy.

-Kaidan is only attracted to female Shepards in ME1. Never shows any interest beyond friendship in male Shepards or other males in general.

-Anders consistently flirts with female party members, and female Wardens in DA:Awakening. Female Wardens have options to lightly flirt with him as well, which male Wardens  do not. He never shows interest in any other males, party members or otherwise. He also reacts with disgust when Oghren makes a joke about him having sex with a male Templar, and it's not just because it was a Templar, since he shows attraction to the female Templar that always recaptures him. 

 

I suppose it is a matter of opinion and I've already said it, but to me it makes no sense that Kaidan would be attracted to female Shepard but not male Shepard in ME1, and then both in ME3. It's the SAME Shepard. I would have been all for it if they decided to make Kaidan bi from the get go in ME1, but they decided not to go that route, and I believe once that is decided, they should stick with it. If the purpose for not making Kaidan gay in ME1 was to offer a natural build up for the relationship, then why not withhold him from female Shepards too? 

 

With Anders, if they had planned to make him bi from the beginning, it would have been pretty easy to alter his character a bit in Awakening to portray that. But they didn't, everything he says and does points towards him being straight in that game. And I highly doubt merging with a spirit would make is sexual preferences change.

 

The writers will always say that they were "always bisexual", they will never admit to retconning things and saying that they weren't would devalue the people that choose to romance them with male characters now (since it was already put in). It was pretty clear cut that these guys were straight in previous titles, it was just changed to both appease the audience (men who wanted to romance Kaidan in ME1) and fit the game better (everyone is bi in DA2!). You will never convince me that Anders in general (not just his sexuality) didn't undergo some huge retconning to fit DA2. 

 

Just because a straight person doesn't go around announcing they are straight at every turn doesn't mean they are bisexual. People never "come out" to being straight. It just doesn't happen. Pretty much all of the bisexual and gay characters confess to their bi- or ******-sexuality at some point in the game (Leliana, Zevran, Sera, Dorian, etc.). This is not he same for straight characters, Alistair, Morrigan, Sebastion, etc. never explicitly say "I am straight!", it's just implied in their actions.

 

And I think, with Cullen, it has also always been implied that he is straight. He has only ever been attracted to females. If he was intended to be bi all along, then they would have had him crush on a male Amell/Surana too. If this was the case in DA:Origins, then I would have been completely fine with him being bi in DA:I. But it's not. He only ever liked females. 

 

As far as his rejection for a male Quizzy goes... his rejection to a male quizzy and a female Qunari/Dwarf quizzy is different. To female Qunari/Dwarves, he stumbles around a bit and basically says "He's too busy and wouldn't have time for them". To males, he tells them something along the lines of "he would be unable to return their affection" pretty plainly. 

 

To me, I take his line to males as a very nice way (Cullen is a nice guy after all) of telling them he doesn't swing that way. It seems like a way of saying that he would never be attracted to them, even if he tried. His rejection line to female Qunari/Dwarves seems like a typical way of turning down someone of the gender you are attracted to, but don't want to be with (I.e "I just don't have time for a relationship right now"). Cassandra, Sera, etc. are far more bold and blunt with their actions, so it seems more suiting that they would be more blunt in saying "i'm not attracted to your gender" than Cullen would. 

 

This is not a matter of only wanting characters to be straight, it's a matter of wanting characters to be consistent across games. I would feel the same if they decided to make Isabela a straight only option in DA2, or if they brought Sera back in a later title and made her bisexual.  

 

Maybe from now on, every single NPC should be have it written in huge letters above their head what their sexuality is, because it seems like that's what people here need.

[daveliam]

That's easy.

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I only dated women throughout my teens and college years.  I was gay at the time and knew it.  I was propositioned by guys in college, who probably correctly sussed out my sexuality, and I turned them down.  After leaving college, I came out of the closet and dated only men for five years until I met my husband.  If I could be gay and do it, it's perfectly reasonable that a bisexual guy could do it as well.

 

Again, you are making assumptions based on your own experience.  The vast majority of the time, you will be right when you make that assumption.  Sometimes you will be wrong.  With Kaidan and Anders, you were wrong.  That's it. 

 

Also, your point about how straight characters never have to come out:  uh, yeah?  That's the point.  Everyone just assumes people are straight unless told otherwise.  That's part of the problem.  Why isn't there a flirt with and get a rejection option with almost any of the straight people (except for Cass and Cullen) in any Bioware game?  Because the writers didn't need to explicitly create:  "Warning!   This character is not straight!" dialogue around them. 

[Milana]

thats why i allways swear to stay out of BSN.Its not even mass effect thread,but here it is again.

 

Its like some people love to ruin somebody else's OTP. Good thing im gonna replay ME3 and sigh how happy my couple is,even if some spit-rage how its wrong.

[TammieAZ]

This.Now I just hope that in the next game the knight in shining armor will be bi or gay.

 

Neither... 

I don't like the direction that our games are heading .

[BartDude52]

@daveliam: The thing with Kaidan though is that Bioware made a conscious decision in ME1 to have him be available to only female Shepards. They did much of the voice work and could have had him be available to males as well, yet decided not to even though they easily could have. That to me made it clear that they decided he was straight in ME1 and why it felt like a retcon that he was suddenly bi in ME3. If they'd just made him available to both genders to begin with in the first game I would have been completely fine with it. But they didn't: they made a clear and conscious decision to make him only available to women in the first game and completely backtracked on this decision in the third game. Also, it's not like they changed just some minor aspect of his character (like his eye colour), they changed his sexuality, something which doesn't necessarily define you as a person but it is a big part of who you are - I'm certain that I would be a much different person if I was gay or bi rather than straight (I'm sure my opinion on certain issues would certainly be different, for example).

 

So basically, my issue with Kaidan isn't necessarily that he's bi, it's more the way Bioware went about it.  

[Mocksie]

I only dated women throughout my teens and college years.  I was gay at the time and knew it.  I was propositioned by guys in college, who probably correctly sussed out my sexuality, and I turned them down.  After leaving college, I came out of the closet and dated only men for five years until I met my husband.  If I could be gay and do it, it's perfectly reasonable that a bisexual guy could do it as well.

 

Again, you are making assumptions based on your own experience.  The vast majority of the time, you will be right when you make that assumption.  Sometimes you will be wrong.  With Kaidan and Anders, you were wrong.  That's it. 

 

Sure, I've known gay/lesbian people who started out dating the opposite gender, some even married, and others that have only ever dated the same sex. I've also know bisexual people who lean towards one gender, and others who like both equally. I've also known bisexual people who didn't know they liked the same sex until later in life. I'm aware that sexualities manifest themselves in different ways. 

 

Part of my issue with how Kaidan and Anders were handled is that they never discussed or showed character development. Characters in games are ultimately much less complex than real life people, so these kind of switches have to be handled more carefully to adequately show the change in the character.  

 

I viewed it as a sudden shift in their character that happened without explanation. With Kaidan, they should have given him original lines in ME3 for male Shepards instead of recycling female ones to better portray his sexuality shift, perhaps some that explain why he never showed feelings for him in ME1. With Anders, they should have done something similar, they could have added in some romance-related dialogue that explains that he never knew he liked males until recently for example. But none of that is there, the change in their characters was never explained or developed, it just kinda happened. 

 

I think trying to portray a change in sexual preferences in a game just gets a bit too complex, as it is not a simple thing irl. I have a friend who thought she was straight all throughout high school, and didn't realize she liked girls too until college. It was not a simple thing for her to come to terms with and understand. It was not a black and white thing that just all of the sudden happened, like how it is portrayed in the games.

 

To each their own I suppose. Everyone will have different opinions. But I like good character development and consistency, and regardless of whether I was "wrong" or not about Ander's and Kaidan's sexualities, I still think how they went about doing it was bad character development and poor consistency between games.

[daveliam]

@daveliam: The thing with Kaidan though is that Bioware made a conscious decision in ME1 to have him be available to only female Shepards. They did much of the voice work and could have had him be available to males as well, yet decided not to even though they easily could have. That to me made it clear that they decided he was straight in ME1 and why it felt like a retcon that he was suddenly bi in ME3. If they'd just made him available to both genders to begin with in the first game I would have been completely fine with it. But they didn't: they made a clear and conscious decision to make him only available to women in the first game and completely backtracked on this decision in the third game. Also, it's not like they changed just some minor aspect of his character (like his eye colour), they changed his sexuality, something which doesn't necessarily define you as a person but it is a big part of who you are - I'm certain that I would be a much different person if I was gay or bi rather than straight (I'm sure my opinion on certain issues would certainly be different, for example).

 

So basically, my issue with Kaidan isn't necessarily that he's bi, it's more the way Bioware went about it.  

 

But how was he fundamentally different as a character in ME3 outside of his sexuality?  How did the reveal that he's bisexual change anything except for the ability for some Sheps to begin a romance with him that they couldn't earlier?  Nothing was different about him except for who could romance him.  That's the point.  Being bisexual wasn't part of his character development any more than being straight was part of it.  If he had a story in which being straight was important, then maybe you would have a point, but he didn't.  He was a guy who you assumed was straight and then found out wasn't.  That's the extent of it.  It's not a big deal.  It happens all the time. 

 

Now, do I think that the writers intended him to be bisexual the whole time?  Probably not.  The ME team was really terrible at anything that wasn't the straight guy perspective.  I mean these are the people who in game call the Asari an "all female race" and then do mental gymnastics to try to explain how a FemShep and Liara relationship isn't a lesbian relationship as a way to justify the fact that "Shepard is not gay" (their response as to why there was no m/m option in the game).  They clearly meant "Male Shep isn't gay" and then realized that it seemed hypocritical to have lesbian Shep and not gay Shep and then tried to explain away lesbian Shep.  I  mean, these people were really awful in this respect of character development.  I suspect that they had the idea at one point that Ashley and Kaidan could be bisexual and then decided against it, but left their options open.  Then, when they got blowback on their hypocritical stance, they took advantage of that open door to reveal Kaidan's bisexuality.  One level, it might have been a retcon; but technically, there was nothing in the lore to refute it, so it's not really a retcon. 

 

Again, does that make sense?

[daveliam]

Sure, I've known gay/lesbian people who started out dating the opposite gender, some even married, and others that have only ever dated the same sex. I've also know bisexual people who lean towards one gender, and others who like both equally. I've also known bisexual people who didn't know they liked the same sex until later in life. I'm aware that sexualities manifest themselves in different ways. 

 

Part of my issue with how Kaidan and Anders were handled is that they never discussed or showed character development. Characters in games are ultimately much less complex than real life people, so these kind of switches have to be handled more carefully to adequately show the change in the character.  

 

I viewed it as a sudden shift in their character that happened without explanation. With Kaidan, they should have given him original lines in ME3 for male Shepards instead of recycling female ones to better portray his sexuality shift, perhaps some that explain why he never showed feelings for him in ME1. With Anders, they should have done something similar, they could have added in some romance-related dialogue that explains that he never knew he liked males until recently for example. But none of that is there, the change in their characters was never explained or developed, it just kinda happened. 

 

I think trying to portray a change in sexual preferences in a game just gets a bit too complex, as it is not a simple thing irl. I have a friend who thought she was straight all throughout high school, and didn't realize she liked girls too until college. It was not a simple thing for her to come to terms with and understand. It was not a black and white thing that just all of the sudden happened, like how it is portrayed in the games.

 

To each their own I suppose. Everyone will have different opinions. But I like good character development and consistency, and regardless of whether I was "wrong" or not about Ander's and Kaidan's sexualities, I still think how they went about doing it was bad character development and poor consistency between games.

 

I agree that they could have done a better job.  But, then again, had they actually addressed their sexuality, would we instead be dealing with years worth of threads about how they are forcing non-hetero sexualities down our throats and how they should just let characters be LGBT without having to discuss it?  Seems like they are damned if they do and damned if they don't......

[The Oracle]

So...much of the complaints here are "We've got characters that are homosexual but I don't find them as attractive as Cullen, so make Cullen bi?". Yeah, cause that's just like real life. *sigh* Bioware is progressive and accommodating when it comes to in-game relationships but I do genuinely think that with all the backlash and b*llshit they get for what they do, they may well think it easier to take away love interests eventually. It's such a poisoned knife. If people don't get EXACTLY what or who they want, it's cause BW are evil, heterophobic, homophobic, player-haters and why can't I get what I WANT!?!!

 

They can't cater for everyone. It's life. You want a game that has exactly what you want? Go out and make it.

[Solbranthius]

Making Cullen bisexual at this point would be silly, yes. Most people agree with that. The main complaint is that these same arguments have been made over and over since DA:O. The developers can't be oblivious to the huge popularity of conventionally attractive straight acting knightly men within the gay/bisexual community.

 

Despite that, whenever we get a character that fits that trope they're straight. It happened to Sebastian (again, why that is is beyond me given that every other cast member was 'playersexual') and now it's happened to Cullen who almost became bisexual bit then didn't at the last minute.

 

So what I want to know is if Bioware will take that on board and develop such a character in DA4. You know, a conventionally attractive knightly man who just happens to be gay/bisexual. 

[The Oracle]

If you can drum up enough support to create a petition for such a character and it has enough interest that BW will make it worth their time and effort for the very specific wish that you have, then go ahead, it might just catch their eye. Until then, they will write characters and storylines that interest them and further the plot of Thedas and create engaging gaming. They will then assign the sexual preference to this character that they think works best for them. 

[ThreeF]

Despite that, whenever we get a character that fits that trope they're straight. It happened to Sebastian (again, why that is is beyond me given that every other cast member was 'playersexual') and now it's happened to Cullen who almost became bisexual bit then didn't at the last minute.

Sebastian is chantrysexual

[TammieAZ]

So...much of the complaints here are "We've got characters that are homosexual but I don't find them as attractive as Cullen, so make Cullen bi?". Yeah, cause that's just like real life. *sigh* Bioware is progressive and accommodating when it comes to in-game relationships but I do genuinely think that with all the backlash and b*llshit they get for what they do, they may well think it easier to take away love interests eventually. It's such a poisoned knife. If people don't get EXACTLY what or who they want, it's cause BW are evil, heterophobic, homophobic, player-haters and why can't I get what I WANT!?!!

 

They can't cater for everyone. It's life. You want a game that has exactly what you want? Go out and make it.

 

Yep pretty much ...

It didn't use to be this way. Makes me wish that they would take away LI altogether for people just to STTFU. I hope it doesn't come to that tho. 

I really wish these so-called fans would just be grateful for what they did put in and shut the ***** up. Or go play  sims 4 or play a dating sim instead. 

[daveliam]

Making Cullen bisexual at this point would be silly, yes. Most people agree with that. The main complaint is that these same arguments have been made over and over since DA:O. The developers can't be oblivious to the huge popularity of conventionally attractive straight acting knightly men within the gay/bisexual community.

 

Despite that, whenever we get a character that fits that trope they're straight. It happened to Sebastian (again, why that is is beyond me given that every other cast member was 'playersexual') and now it's happened to Cullen who almost became bisexual bit then didn't at the last minute.

 

So what I want to know is if Bioware will take that on board and develop such a character in DA4. You know, a conventionally attractive knightly man who just happens to be gay/bisexual. 

 

Exactly.  Well put.

 

With regard to you last question, I think that they will.  A while ago (maybe a year ago or so), Allan was very interested in this concept.  He had a "tropes" thread and it came up and he asked a bunch of questions about it and then said that he'd never really thought of it before.  So between that and the fact that they took a step even closer with Cullen, I think that we'll finally get on in DA4.  I just hope that if we do, it won't turn into dozens of threads about how his entire existence is just 'pandering fanservice' and more 'agendas being shoved down throats' and 'blah, blah, blah'......

 

 

 

If you can drum up enough support to create a petition for such a character and it has enough interest that BW will make it worth their time and effort for the very specific wish that you have, then go ahead, it might just catch their eye. Until then, they will write characters and storylines that interest them and further the plot of Thedas and create engaging gaming. They will then assign the sexual preference to this character that they think works best for them. 

 

There's a several month old, 90 page thread about it in the feedback section already.  We've made our point and it's been noticed.  The question is now to see if a character like that fits into the next game.

[Monica21]

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Just wanted to thank you for being so patient in threads like these. They can get heated, but you do an excellent job of explaining why a gay male KISA-type character is important. In addition to being willing to explain some nuances of sexuality that many straight people (including myself) often don't see.

[Mocksie]

I agree that they could have done a better job.  But, then again, had they actually addressed their sexuality, would we instead be dealing with years worth of threads about how they are forcing non-hetero sexualities down our throats and how they should just let characters be LGBT without having to discuss it?  Seems like they are damned if they do and damned if they don't......

 

Well, I would be on board for that personally. I view it as better character development, especially if they are going to do things like changing character sexual preferences between games. But yeah, I'm sure some people would be very much against it. 

 

But, as you know, Dorian had his homosexuality be a pretty large part of his character arc. I didn't see many people complain about that, and I personally liked it a lot. Considering Dorian is one of the most popular DA characters, I'm going to guess a lot of people liked it. It showed development in more ways than just his sexuality, such as his refusal to go along with traditional Tevinter values. Oddly enough, the only people who I've seen complain about how Dorian's homosexuality was handled was other gay people. 

[Panda]

People should take in accord that everyone doesn't think similarly about characters. Characters are something that are created and tweaked unlike people (well people are created via sex but you can't shape them really..). If someone wants to use romance mod to romance Cullen it's their business at least in my viewpoint. I don't personally think characters are unchangeable, well Bioware themselves were still wondering what Cullen sexuality would be before the game.

 

Of cource there can be bad intentions to use mods like I don't want too see x in my games, but this case doesn't really seem it.

[Solbranthius]

Exactly.  Well put.

 

With regard to you last question, I think that they will.  A while ago (maybe a year ago or so), Allan was very interested in this concept.  He had a "tropes" thread and it came up and he asked a bunch of questions about it and then said that he'd never really thought of it before.  So between that and the fact that they took a step even closer with Cullen, I think that we'll finally get on in DA4.  I just hope that if we do, it won't turn into dozens of threads about how his entire existence is just 'pandering fanservice' and more 'agendas being shoved down throats' and 'blah, blah, blah'......

 

 

 

 

There's a several month old, 90 page thread about it in the feedback section already.  We've made our point and it's been noticed.  The question is now to see if a character like that fits into the next game.

 

Ah, that's promising then! I mean, don't get me wrong - I don't want them to have a gay character for the sake of having a gay character but I think they can pull it off well and in a tasteful manner. Heck, I'd have been happy with the option to just have a fling with a hot knight somewhere along the way in DA:I.

 

Dorian's not a bad character, he just doesn't appeal to me much. Neither does Iron Bull. Of course not everybody's tastes can be catered to but at the same time some things are just 'standard' and most people like conventionally attractive men...so two birds, one stone!

[daveliam]

Just wanted to thank you for being so patient in threads like these. They can get heated, but you do an excellent job of explaining why a gay male KISA-type character is important. In addition to being willing to explain some nuances of sexuality that many straight people (including myself) often don't see.

 

No problem!  It's my own inner gay SWJ KISA complex! 

 

Well, I would be on board for that personally. I view it as better character development, especially if they are going to do things like changing character sexual preferences between games. But yeah, I'm sure some people would be very much against it. 

 

But, as you know, Dorian had his homosexuality be a pretty large part of his character arc. I didn't see many people complain about that, and I personally liked it a lot. Considering Dorian is one of the most popular DA characters, I'm going to guess a lot of people liked it. It showed development in more ways than just his sexuality, such as his refusal to go along with traditional Tevinter values. Oddly enough, the only people who I've seen complain about how Dorian's homosexuality was handled was other gay people. 

 

See?  And maybe it's my own perspective playing tricks on me, but I've seen a ton of complaints about Dorian's storyline.  People saying that his story is fully based on his sexuality and that's turned him into a stereotype.  People saying that it's forcing the 'liberal SJW' agenda down their throats' because you can't agree with the blood magic 'solution'.  People saying that he's only in the game because Gaider was working out personal demons.  I feel like these notions are all over the boards, but maybe I'm just noticing them more than others or they are just bothering me so they seem more common. 

 

Ah, that's promising then! I mean, don't get me wrong - I don't want them to have a gay character for the sake of having a gay character but I think they can pull it off well and in a tasteful manner. Heck, I'd have been happy with the option to just have a fling with a hot knight somewhere along the way in DA:I.

 

Dorian's not a bad character, he just doesn't appeal to me much. Neither does Iron Bull. Of course not everybody's tastes can be catered to but at the same time some things are just 'standard' and most people like conventionally attractive men...so two birds, one stone!

 

Yeah, it would be nice to just get one of those guys though.  If it doesn't happen in DA 4, then I can just keep hoping, I guess.  And I say that as someone who is a huge Dorian fan.  He's my second favorite Bioware romance of all time and my favorite DA romance.  He's also probably my second or third favorite DA companion too.

[Mocksie]

 

 

Dorian's not a bad character, he just doesn't appeal to me much. Neither does Iron Bull. Of course not everybody's tastes can be catered to but at the same time some things are just 'standard' and most people like conventionally attractive men...so two birds, one stone!

 

I'd trade Cullen for Dorian to be available for females. To each their own I guess. I think he's more attractive than Cullen, and I prefer his personality. But alas, that won't happen for obvious reasons, nor should it. Oh well.

 

The only KISA romance option I really liked was Alistair, and that was more because of his sense of humor than the whole KISA thing. Dorian has that sense of humor that Cullen... just doesn't, which I why I like him better. Behind Alistair and Garrus, Dorian is my third favorite bioware character. I loved his personality, and everything from his dialogue to character development was just done so well. 

 

I still stand by my opinion that Cullen should not be bi, but I do hope they offer a gay/bi KISA type romance in the future, since those types of romance options have been wanted by the the gay community for some time now.

[TheLastArchivist]

I think you've missed the point.  No one here is saying that people are "converted".  That's really kind of gross.  The argument is that, just because you see a guy with a gal, doesn't mean he's straight.  It means that he's not gay.  If you assume he's straight, you might be right, but you might also be wrong.  The only way that you can tell if someone is bisexual is if they are either shown with both males and females or they identify as such explicitly. 

 

Hell, I had a girlfriend right after I graduated college.  Now I'm married to a man.  Have I been retconned?  If you only knew me back then (15 years ago) and just ran back into me now, you might think so.  But you'd be wrong.  That's the point.

 

The ones who are missing the point are the naive people insisting Cullen being bisexual makes any sense. It doesn't.

 

Ever since Origins, it's made clear Cullen was created targeting female audiences. He pretty much behaves like someone's first crush, the shy, adorable guy most women dream of. In plain words: he's the stereotypical girlish fantasy.

But when you play with a male mage, you cannot romance him. He talks to the male mage as he would talk to any dude. There are no hints he ever felt any interest toward a male char and Cullen himself is quite a masculine character, not showing any tendencies toward any sort of different sexual behaviour.

To ignore these facts is to ignore the obvious.

 

If there are people out there blinding themselves to something so basic and insisting Bioware shold subvert the character just to please a small portion of the fans, then they need to grow up. This was not a limitation placed in romance options. It was a sensible measure given the character's history and reason for being created in the first place. There are several characters you can romance in the fandom, targeted toward all sorts of sexual orientation. DA2 is pratically a sausage fest, as Angry Joe put it, and many fans just saw everyone's bisexuality in the game as UNREALISTIC.

 

One thing are the whims of a few young fans. Another is a company taking steps that might compromise the game's credibility. So kudos for Bioware having the sense to not repeat the mistake they made in DA2. In terms of romance, DA:I reflects how people do behave in real life, instead of being just fan service.

 

That's what most veteran players expect from a Bioware game and that's how it should be. Which is why the game is targeted to 18+ audiences. People expect a certain degree of realism. Thank God they left Cullen as a hetero romance option. It's the least they could do after the fiasco of DA2 more than obvious attempt to try and please everybody.

[FaWa]

Because this is what I decide to pick from a Cullen thread ( ) here is the world's foremost Lincoln scholar talking about whether Lincoln was gay: http://www.kpbs.org/...-gay-president/

 

Protip: don't get your history from Buzzfeed or HuffPo. Get it from an actual historian.

 

Thanks for the enlightening history lesson in a thread about debating the sexuality of a formation of pixels. 

 

Anyway, Kaidan/MShep is my favorite Bioware romance by far. Feel like sharing that.

[Monica21]

Thanks for the enlightening history lesson in a thread about debating the sexuality of a formation of pixels.

Anyway, Kaidan/MShep is my favorite Bioware romance by far. Feel like sharing that.

My pleasure.