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[God]

Friend, you are inaccurate by saying that Miranda is unstable. 

 

In fact, your definition of unstable brings evidence that you are ignorant to the applied meaning of the word here.

[God]

O.o...you have an unusual perception...and so we can agree to disagree.

 

No, we come to terms over what you mean via argument, and then I tell you how you're wrong.

 

For starters, Miranda is not unstable. She is not going to get set off by a comment, or blow up and go on a killing spree, or damage technical issues on the ship.

 

Miranda is an emotionally and psychologically stable person. So stable, in fact, that many people accuse her of coldness because of her logic and rationality.

[KaiserShep]

As a guy I think F/F romance and more is pretty boring, because it has nothing to do with me.

 

Shouldn't this basically apply to all romances ever written? After all, none of them technically have anything to do with any of us, even when it's a character we're controlling like Shepard.

[SlottsMachine]

Because jack can only be cured of her traumatic past of abuse and exploitation by the curing powers of a penis.

 

Yeah! Boobs and a vagina can fix those things too!

[78stonewobble]

Shouldn't this basically apply to all romances ever written? After all, none of them technically have anything to do with any of us, even when it's a character we're controlling like Shepard.

 

Immersion, involvement and general interest. 

 

It's like asking me, with my ten thumbs, clumsyness and utter disinterest, to say wooow at this documentery of master carpentry.

 

Or a little more topic... romance involves feelings both ways. If there is little to none of that, it's either voyeurism (which can be ok, but not for me) or ... you know... worse... 

[berrieh]

I don't agree with this, if you try to romance Jack as a Female Shepard, just as a male Shepard would, it is contingent to circumstance that she lets you down. Therefore, to get the conversation in question, all you have to do is persue the romance with Jack as a female Shepard. The only way you miss it is if you either speed skip the conversation, or stop trying to romance Jack befor said conversation. Also, I'm not sure why you say "and by the way" (as though you are telling me something I don't already know), as part of my reasoning behind why the magic penis trope is stupid was that sex had nothing to do with helping Jack's psychological problems.

 

I say "and by the way" as a transition to show I am moving to a new topic. Why on Earth would a transition offend you? I was merely adding to your point since you didn't actually explicitly state it, and you are not the only one in the world that might read this thread, nor the OP that began it with the question. 

 

I disagree with you that the conversation in question is common. Since many people look at the LIs before playing the game (and those are the kinds of people who posts on forums about it), I imagine most people who want her to be a LI don't try to romance her since they know better. I think it's entirely possible someone could miss that particular conversation, and even when she says it, it's only mildly clear what she's saying, and even when you can get that dialogue, it's rather late in the game compared to when you hear about her sexual encounter with at least one woman. I'm not saying she should be a LI for a FemShep, but I do understand the confusion since we know she experimented (I can't imagine anyone not getting that conversation and talking to her at all - it's one of her earliest). 

[Andres Hendrix]

I say "and by the way" as a transition to show I am moving to a new topic. Why on Earth would a transition offend you? I was merely adding to your point since you didn't actually explicitly state it, and you are not the only one in the world that might read this thread, nor the OP that began it with the question. 

 

I disagree with you that the conversation in question is common. Since many people look at the LIs before playing the game (and those are the kinds of people who posts on forums about it), I imagine most people who want her to be a LI don't try to romance her since they know better. I think it's entirely possible someone could miss that particular conversation, and even when she says it, it's only mildly clear what she's saying, and even when you can get that dialogue, it's rather late in the game compared to when you hear about her sexual encounter with at least one woman. I'm not saying she should be a LI for a FemShep, but I do understand the confusion since we know she experimented (I can't imagine anyone not getting that conversation and talking to her at all - it's one of her earliest). 

Why do you think I'm offended? "And by the way", is an idiom that means you are opening a new subject. I had stated quite clearly "Finally, did femShep's friendship, not help Jack grow as a person? It was said in ME3 that Shepard's friendship and leadership helped Jack greatly (no sex involved)." You made it sound as though I missed this point. As for the second part of what you wrote, it is entierly the fault of those playing the game that they don't persue Jack's romance. This adds to my acumen, that those saying that Jack should not be romanced at all, are being spiteful.

[Bowie Hawkins]

Jack has slept with at least one woman. She mentions it in dialogue.

 

Of course that doesn't necessarily mean she's still into women. 

 

Because of how the actress delivered the dialogue, it always seemed to me that Jack was involved with a guy who talked her into letting him bring another woman into bed with them and she wasn't really into it but went along to please him.

[Madi]

Tomb Raider? You mean Lara and Sam? I don't even know what was going on there. Are they together? I really couldn't tell due to the awful writing.

It was pretty obvious that they were just friends and not "together" as in a couple. It's just believed by some that there may have been some "feelings" underneath the surface of their friendship. It was obvious that the writer deliberately put in just enough ambiguity in places to get the shippers/fanfic people talking but ultimately it was just a strong friendship between a Lara and a character who will probably never be seen again. 

[Madi]

Because of how the actress delivered the dialogue, it always seemed to me that Jack was involved with a guy who talked her into letting him bring another woman into bed with them and she wasn't really into it but went along to please him.

One thing that has bothered  me throughout this topic is the few people have stated as if it’s a matter of fact that Jack has had sexual relations with women before when the fact is we don’t know that. All we know is that she was friends with a couple and she states that they “helped me into their bed” implying she had a threesome on at least one occasion.  That’s literally the only thing she says about it. It’s highly possible that she had no physical contact with the female during this implied threesome with both of the females simply focusing their attention on the guy. The fact is we don’t know. Everything is just speculation.  So everyone just plainly stating as fact that Jack has had sexual contact with other women is simply false. She “might” have but again she might not have. All we do know is that eventually she will 'straight' out tell Femshep that she’s not into women. So there we have it. 

[Farangbaa]

Because only men can enter an extremely abusive relationship and fix the broken woman in the process*

Worst romance of them all. It's wrong on almost every level.

*disclaimer: sarcasm.

[Madi]

Because only men can enter an extremely abusive relationship and fix the broken woman in the process*

Worst romance of them all. It's wrong on almost every level.

*disclaimer: sarcasm.

 

It's already been pointed out that romancing her with male shep doesn't "fix" her anymore than simply being friends and gaining her loyalty "fixes" her with female  Shepard . 

[BraveVesperia]

I'm personally glad she didn't. I really dislike this new thing where every npc must be bisexual, just to please a specific crowd. 

Sorry, Jack is straight.  Not every character has to pander to the LGBT crowd.  Oh, and in the words of Jack herself....

???

Did we play the same game? ME2 has six straight LIs. And zero for the LGBT crowd.

Making one of them bisexual would not have changed the fact that five others are straight, so they wouldn't 'all be bisexual'. And it would not be 'pandering'. Again - one vs five. The only pandering to LGBT crowd in ME2 was... Kelly.

 

Arguably, having six straight LIs was pandering to the straight crowd. Maybe two of them shouldn't have been LIs. Straight people would still have had a choice: A or B.

[Grieving Natashina]

The only reason at all that I didn't like Jack not being available was the way the conversation content was setup.  In order to really get to know the character, you had to be in a relationship with her as a male Shepard.  Being friends wasn't good enough, which was jarring in a series that was really excellent about it's friendship content being as meaningful as the romance content in most other areas.  If the writers hadn't done that, I wouldn't have cared.  

 

I figure either Jack wasn't bisexual and was just looking for comfort  and decided that women weren't her bag, or that she was bisexual but wasn't into a FemShep.  Or that the writers screwed up and should make sure that a romance doesn't hog most of the companion's character development in future ME games.  

[God]

???

Did we play the same game? ME2 has six straight LIs. And zero for the LGBT crowd.

Making one of them bisexual would not have changed the fact that five others are straight, so they wouldn't 'all be bisexual'. And it would not be 'pandering'. Again - one vs five. The only pandering to LGBT crowd in ME2 was... Kelly.

 

Arguably, having six straight LIs was pandering to the straight crowd. Maybe two of them shouldn't have been LIs. Straight people would still have had a choice: A or B.

 

Honestly, I think that's acceptable and fair. 

 

The game isn't a romance simulator. And how can it be pandering if it isn't an advertised feature of the game? 

 

It shouldn't be about fairness. It should be about demographics. Realistically, straight people would have choices A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and maybe H.

[Vazgen]

The game isn't a romance simulator. 

This. It is a neat thing that Bioware includes in their games but the character has to come first. The game can have all straight or all LGBT romances for all I care, so long as it is true for the character personality. In Jack's case, most (if not all) claims about her being bisexual stem from her one comment about trying sex with women before which can as easily be interpreted as a part of her rebellious and adventurous nature.

[Andres Hendrix]

For the love of plush Elcor, this again? Oh, and people are acting like their silly "argumeants" are completly new, and were never dealt with before...
 

Let's see, Mass Effect 2 is five years old, that ship has definitely sailed, and Mass Effect 4 is going to come out and have nothing to do with the traditional Mass Effect universe at all. So complaing about LIs in ME2 is pointless, morover, this thread was about the character of Jack in particular,

everything considered, she's not changing anytime soon.

[General TSAR]

To appease the cis shitlords of course.

[elrofrost]

They need more characters, of all orientations, who simply aren't interested in the PC.

Samara. Which meant, of course, since I couldn't have her, she was one of my favorites. Also a damn good fighter.

[God]

Who are they?

 

tumblr warriors who want to have men castrated for asking out a woman.

[Jorji Costava]

Honestly, I think that's acceptable and fair. 

 

The game isn't a romance simulator. And how can it be pandering if it isn't an advertised feature of the game? 

 

It shouldn't be about fairness. It should be about demographics. Realistically, straight people would have choices A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and maybe H.

 

First off, even if this is right, wouldn't it make more sense to have at least one LGBT romance option? After all, we know that players who would be interested in this content comprise substantially more than 0% of Bioware's audience. Second, if the argument is that game features should track audience demographics, wouldn't that imply that paragons should get twice as much content available to them as renegades, since roughly 2/3 of ME3 players are paragons?