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[Broganisity]

It's an interesting topic, given she's stated to have slept with at least one woman before.

Maybe it was a phase, maybe she's not interested in a Female Shepard, Maybe it was cut, maybe they decided 'Hey. Let's keep the romances even', maybe they decided that Jack was just more into men then women and wasn't even seeking romance to begin with but can find it in a male shep? 

 

I don't know if you can do the angry sex thing with her that you can as a Male Shepard, but that would have been an interesting thing to have in there.

[fhs33721]

First off, even if this is right, wouldn't it make more sense to have at least one LGBT romance option? After all, we know that players who would be interested in this content comprise substantially more than 0% of Bioware's audience. Second, if the argument is that game features should track audience demographics, wouldn't that imply that paragons should get twice as much content available to them as renegades, since roughly 2/3 of ME3 players are paragons?

I think he was more refering to real live demographics, meaning that straight people have a substantially higher chance of meeting someone they have mutual attraction with since there are more straight people in the real world. Therefore he concludes that straight Shepards should get substantially more romance options.

 

An argument that still falls kind of flat if you ask me because Mass Effect is an fictional Universe (admittedly based on our real universe) where an entire race of blue alien space-babes, that are kind-of bisexual by default, exists. Not to mention that we have no clue at all of sexual-orientation-demographics of other species.

He is right though about this not being a dating simulator. Seriously it's not that big a deal that Jack wasn't into femshep.

[Riven326]

Just out of curiosity did any devs ever comment on why she wasn't one of the potential LIs for Fem Shep in ME2? It never affected me either way (Male Shep & Liara is my series canon), but I always wondered why she wasn't a LI for Fem Shep, considering she talks about having had lovers from both sexes.

 

Usually I'm not sympathetic when fans gripe about their favorite characters not being LIs, but I think Jack might be the one exception.

Because they probably thought that the majority of people who played the game and talked to Jack would be able to tell the difference between a character talking once about engaging in a threesome that involved another woman, and a character that was openly gay or bisexual. I don't think Bioware has to comment on things that should be obvious.

[Andres Hendrix]

[Han Shot First]

Because they probably thought that the majority of people who played the game and talked to Jack would be able to tell the difference between a character talking once about engaging in a threesome that involved another woman, and a character that was openly gay or bisexual. I don't think Bioware has to comment on things that should be obvious.

 

There was nothing obvious about it. At no point does Jack explicitly state in ME2 that it isn't her thing. 

[SlottsMachine]

Basically all I have to say on the matter is, "who cares."

[Andres Hendrix]

There was nothing obvious about it. At no point does Jack explicitly state in ME2 that it isn't her thing. 

She says "I'm not into the girl's club."

[Riven326]

There was nothing obvious about it. At no point does Jack explicitly state in ME2 that it isn't her thing. 

If memory serves I believe she does indeed say that she isn't interested in women in one way or another. You'll have to forgive me for not remembering the exact quote, but I'm sure someone her could help you with that.

 

There are many women in real life and in fiction that have engaged in sexual activities that involved the same sex in one form or another who do not identify as lesbian or bisexual. If Jack did have those interests towards female Shepard, one would assume it would have naturally come up in one or more conversations through out the game in the form of flirtation... or simply because of the fact that Shepard is showing some form of interest in her, romantic or otherwise.

 

However, unlike with male Shepard, the casual sex line which leads to *shock* casual sex, is absent for female Shepard, and the topic of romance never goes beyond her recalling that single event from her past. It was the combination of all these things made it clear to me that Jack was not interested in a same sex relationship, and if that wasn't made clear enough enough, I believe she spells it out for you after her personal quest if you persist.

[Daemul]

She says "I'm not into the girl's club."

lol no, that quote has nothing to do with her sexual preference. All she was telling Femshep was that she wasn't the kind of girl who was into female bonding and friendship, that's it. Femshep wasn't hitting on her and there was zero sexual connotations in the conversation that quote comes from at all. 

[Andres Hendrix]

lol no, that quote has nothing to do with her sexual preference. All she was telling Femshep was that she wasn't the kind of girl who was into female bonding and friendship, that's it. Femshep wasn't hitting on her and there was zero sexual connotations in the conversation that quote comes from at all. 

So you say. All I will say is that there is nothing at all sexual between a female Shepard and Jack throughout ME2 and 3, and it's never going to change. That goes for romance as well, so it's best that people stop complaining about it, and move on.

[God]

First off, even if this is right, wouldn't it make more sense to have at least one LGBT romance option? After all, we know that players who would be interested in this content comprise substantially more than 0% of Bioware's audience. Second, if the argument is that game features should track audience demographics, wouldn't that imply that paragons should get twice as much content available to them as renegades, since roughly 2/3 of ME3 players are paragons?

 

Yes it would. And for the most part, spamming upper-left blue is presented as the most desirable option.

 

Your point on the second part?

[Kynare]

I was a tad disappointed (I had it all pictured in my head to be like the anime Nana  ) but I respect the direction they went with her character. The last time they let the fanships pressure them into implementing a romance, Citadel DLC James happened.

 

I wasn't a fan of the MShep/Jack romance anyway. If they had gone the same route with FShep, I'd still be disappointed. She likes men, I'm fine with leaving it at that.

 

P.S. I'm okay with talking about this still because I only finished the game this year

[congokong]

I must have missed the part where Jack expressed an interest in women. She admitted being in a threesome, but that doesn't mean she was romantically interested in the other woman. Jack might have been talked into it by the guy she was attracted to. Happens often enough in real life.

[Jorji Costava]

Yes it would. And for the most part, spamming upper-left blue is presented as the most desirable option.

 

Your point on the second part?

 

I don't really want to go to far into this (I've been in so many conversations about these sorts of topics that go nowhere) but very quickly: Your argument seemed to be this: Most players are straight, so most of the romance content available should be straight-only. My point is that this argument doesn't work, because it would also imply a conclusion that no one believes, which is that paragon players should have more content than renegades. The pattern of players choosing mostly 'good' options in games with binary morality systems is not unique to ME; for instance, only 10% of Fable players took the 'evil' path through the game.

[congokong]

I don't really The pattern of players choosing mostly 'good' options in games with binary morality systems is not unique to ME; for instance, only 10% of Fable players took the 'evil' path through the game.

I suppose I was somewhat unique then. When I played Fable over 10 years ago I took the evil path; horns and everything.

[Quarian Master Race]

IIRC there's one variation of the loud Citadel DLC party wherein Jack will make a pass at Tali. I think it's during the dancing phase, if Garrus isn't present.

Paraphrased, it starts with Tali's obliviousness to innuendo, to which Jack responds with a compliment on her attractiveness and something about getting Tali out her suit. I remember triggering it once but not exactly how I did so, and can't find a video.

Could just be the booze talking, but perhaps Jack is subconsciously a bit bi even if her superego isn't.

[Madi]

???

Did we play the same game? ME2 has six straight LIs. And zero for the LGBT crowd.

Making one of them bisexual would not have changed the fact that five others are straight, so they wouldn't 'all be bisexual'. And it would not be 'pandering'. Again - one vs five. The only pandering to LGBT crowd in ME2 was... Kelly.

 

Arguably, having six straight LIs was pandering to the straight crowd. Maybe two of them shouldn't have been LIs. Straight people would still have had a choice: A or B.

 

Strange that you say there is zero for the lgb crowd in ME2 but then go on to acknowledge Kelly Chambers.  Also for some reason besides Kelly you're overlooking Liara (only romance option to get a dlc) and Samara. I won't count Morinth because she ultimately just wants to kill you. So that's at least 3 lgb options

[Madi]

It's an interesting topic, given she's stated to have slept with at least one woman before.

Maybe it was a phase, maybe she's not interested in a Female Shepard, Maybe it was cut, maybe they decided 'Hey. Let's keep the romances even', maybe they decided that Jack was just more into men then women and wasn't even seeking romance to begin with but can find it in a male shep? 

 

I don't know if you can do the angry sex thing with her that you can as a Male Shepard, but that would have been an interesting thing to have in there.

Here we go again with this..... As I have had to correct this assumption before she never stated that she had intimate contact with a woman. It's implied that she was involved in a threesome on at least one occasion. That by no means automatically calls for the assumption that she was physically involved with other women. The details are left ambiguous so assuming she has had intimate physical contact with women is pure speculation. Not all parties involved in a threesome necessarily have to ingage in intimate contact

[StarcloudSWG]

Just out of curiosity did any devs ever comment on why she wasn't one of the potential LIs for Fem Shep in ME2? It never affected me either way (Male Shep & Liara is my series canon), but I always wondered why she wasn't a LI for Fem Shep, considering she talks about having had lovers from both sexes.

 

Usually I'm not sympathetic when fans gripe about their favorite characters not being LIs, but I think Jack might be the one exception.

 

'Shepard, you're always coming down to talk to me. I'm not a 'girl's team' sort of player. I like you, okay? Let's leave it at that."

[aoibhealfae]

Storywise, all lesbian options with FemShep was very paragon-ish vanilla. It made sense for Jack to be appealing for a renegade FemShepard. Beside, they do have better chemistry together because ahem, remember that Jack was Courtenay Taylor who is KotOR's Juhani. Its disappointing that you could reenact FemRevan/BastilaXCarth but not FemRevanXJuhani.

[Geth Supremacy]

Also, for the men among you, why wouldn't want more F/F relationships? The hell is wrong with you? 

 

 

Jack was disgusting.  I don't want any relationship in any way shape or form going on.