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[SofaJockey]

... That said, a great deal of members are unaware of how to express their issues properly in both a way BioWare can use and in an appropriate manner for a completely public environment.

 

I wish I could give this a dozen 'likes'...

[X Equestris]

If anyone expected BSN to be as positive about BioWare's games as the rest of the internet, I'm afraid they fail to realise what the purpose behind these forums is. Alongside EA's Answer HQ and Twitter, this is the best place to list each and every criticism (and praise) about a product made by this company.
 
That said, a great deal of members are unaware of how to express their issues properly in both a way BioWare can use and in an appropriate manner for a completely public environment.

I'm not saying that the forum should be as positive as the rest of the Internet. I'm simply saying that it is amusing to note how elsewhere complaints are generally expressed in a reasonable manner, whereas here, people often leap straight to spewing vitriol at both Bioware and anyone who disagrees with their opinion.

[SofaJockey]

I'm not saying that the forum should be as positive as the rest of the Internet. I'm simply saying that it is amusing to note how elsewhere complaints are generally expressed in a reasonable manner, whereas here, people often leap straight to spewing vitriol at both Bioware and anyone who disagrees with their opinion.

 

That said, you could look at what passes for comment on youtube and re-define 'reasonable' 

[X Equestris]

That said, you could look at what passes for comment on youtube and re-define 'reasonable' 

I'm not counting YouTube or Metacritic. I certainly wouldn't base my opinion of a game on something I found there.

[Realmzmaster]

 

This is not a mom-and-pop operation, there are goals set and they need to be met. And since EA could have just invested that money in something like Apple stock instead of investing in DA:I, they'd need twice back what they invested in the game. 

 

Otherwise, it's just a waste of money. It's not just about profit, it's about a lot of profit. That's corporate capitalism, dear Realmzmaster.

 

 

 

It's 500 pages, there's bound to be silly complaints as well. I definitely chimed in on how the crafting and character selection UI is ass.

 

 

Then DA2 must have made enough profit to ensure the creation of DAI (even after the backlash from some gamers). The profit margin on the game has to be enough to warrant continuance of the series. It has to give a reasonable return and only EA knows where that theshold lies.

[atlantico]

Then DA2 must have made enough profit to ensure the creation of DAI (even after the backlash from some gamers). The profit margin on the game has to be enough to warrant continuance of the series. It has to give a reasonable return and only EA knows where that theshold lies.

 

Sure DA2 must have made enough profit, and it should. It had a 15 month development cycle, instead of 60 months like DA:O and a much smaller crew. 

[SofaJockey]

Well this thread has rather wandered away from its subject 

[k1rage]

Well this thread has rather wandered away from its subject 

 

 

I know right...

[Realmzmaster]

As I said before congrats to Bioware for winning this award. It is well deserved. I take my hat off to the writers for writing such interesting characters (IMHO).

[atlantico]

As I said before congrats to Bioware for winning this award. It is well deserved. I take my hat off to the writers for writing such interesting characters (IMHO).

 

Sten: Why are you here? 

Leliana: What do you mean? 

Sten: Women are priests, artisans, farmers or shopkeepers. None of them have any place in fighting. 

Leliana: I have no idea how to answer this... 

Sten: It is not done. There is no more to it. 

Leliana: Do you mean your people have no female mages or warriors? 

Sten: Of course not. Why would our women wish to be men? 

Leliana: What are you talking about? They don't wish to be men. 

Sten: They shouldn't. That can only lead to frustration. 

Leliana: Sten...no, never mind. Let's drop this.

[LinksOcarina]

Sten: Why are you here? 

Leliana: What do you mean? 

Sten: Women are priests, artisans, farmers or shopkeepers. None of them have any place in fighting. 

Leliana: I have no idea how to answer this... 

Sten: It is not done. There is no more to it. 

Leliana: Do you mean your people have no female mages or warriors? 

Sten: Of course not. Why would our women wish to be men? 

Leliana: What are you talking about? They don't wish to be men. 

Sten: They shouldn't. That can only lead to frustration. 

Leliana: Sten...no, never mind. Let's drop this.

 

Tallis.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Tallis.

Tallis isn't part of the Antaam. She is part of the Ben-Hassarath. Ben-Hassarath are open to either gender and are seen as members of the priesthood rather than soldiers. 

[LinksOcarina]

Tallis isn't part of the Antaam. She is part of the Ben-Hassarath. Ben-Hassarath are open to either gender and are seen as spies or police rather than soldiers. 

 

I know that, I was proving a point. 

 

 Sten has one perspective compared to the rest because of where he is in the role of the Qunari. The perspective of one person does not constitute the truth of the organization. It's like saying everything that is believed by the Sgt. of the Air Force is the military doctrine of the U.S Army as a whole. It just doesn't work that way. 

 

Tallis, being a part of something else, proves that. As does Iron Bull, so the argument Sten is making is probably correct, but only to what he knows, not what the organization follows. You see what I mean?

[Thrillian]

Sten: Why are you here? 

Leliana: What do you mean? 

Sten: Women are priests, artisans, farmers or shopkeepers. None of them have any place in fighting. 

Leliana: I have no idea how to answer this... 

Sten: It is not done. There is no more to it. 

Leliana: Do you mean your people have no female mages or warriors? 

Sten: Of course not. Why would our women wish to be men? 

Leliana: What are you talking about? They don't wish to be men. 

Sten: They shouldn't. That can only lead to frustration. 

Leliana: Sten...no, never mind. Let's drop this.

 

Yes, I see your point.  Sten certainly does have a very different opinion of sex and gender roles than Fereldan at the very least. I mean, just look at his dialogue with the other female members of the party.

 

Sten: Why are you here?
◾Morrigan: Excuse me?
◾Sten: Obviously you are no priestess. But shouldn't you be... running a shop, or a farm somewhere, rather than fighting?
◾Morrigan: You think to tell me my place, Qunari? You are very brave.
◾Sten: It is not done.
◾Morrigan: But it is done. Do not be such a blind fool.
◾Sten: I speak the truth. It is not I who am blind.
◾Morrigan: Look around you, then. you see women throughout this land, fighters and mages both.
◾Sten: That has yet to be proven.
◾Morrigan: Which? That they fight? Or that they are female?
◾Sten: Either.
◾Morrigan: So I am not truly a woman to you? Hmm. 'Tis good to know.
 

 

Sten: Why are you here?
◾Wynne: I beg your pardon?
◾Sten: Women are artisans, or merchants. Or farmers, though you don't seem particularly... earthy. They have no place in war.
◾Wynne: I can't even begin to tell you what's wrong with that idea.
◾Sten: It is not done. There is no more to it.
◾Wynne: I do not understand. Do the Qunari have no female mages? No female warriors?
◾Sten: Of course not. Why would our women wish to be men?
◾Wynne: Do you believe I wish to be a man?
◾Sten: You cannot wish to be a man. It will lead you only to frustration.
◾Wynne: Hmm. I believe this discussion does the same. Let us speak no more of it, Sten.
◾Sten: As you wish.
 

 

Clearly this is an entity that is not cognizant of the norms of the rest of Thedas!

I'm not entirely sure what this has to do with the OP however.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I know that, I was proving a point. 

 

 Sten has one perspective compared to the rest because of where he is in the role of the Qunari. The perspective of one person does not constitute the truth of the organization. It's like saying everything that is believed by the Sgt. of the Air Force is the military doctrine of the U.S Army as a whole. It just doesn't work that way. 

 

Tallis, being a part of something else, proves that. As does Iron Bull, so the argument Sten is making is probably correct, but only to what he knows, not what the organization follows. You see what I mean?

I see what you mean, but the Qun is absolute. That is the point of it. To those under the Qun, all warriors are male. Ben-Hassarath are not seen as warriors but as priests so can be either gender. Even The Iron Bull, who is as heavy duty a fighter as can be, is not seen as a warrior in the Qun. 

[LinksOcarina]

I see what you mean, but the Qun is absolute. That is the point of it. To those under the Qun, all warriors are male. Ben-Hassarath are not seen as warriors but as priests so can be either gender. Even The Iron Bull, who is as heavy duty a fighter as can be, is not seen as a warrior in the Qun. 

 

Mhm. Iron Bull also reveals that the Qun, and the Qunari, are not exactly as absolute as you are lead to believe. Or at least implies it heavily.

 

Absolute or not in it's doctrine, the Qun still is falliable to different points of view, hence how and why Bull can still be a fighter and a spy, instead of a priest, which I believe also predominantly female as far as what priests are typically seen.

[Lebanese Dude]

Off topic conversation going on.

 

Regarding the above posts, one needs to remember that Sten was only a "Sten" at the time of Origins. Under the Qun, you only need to know enough to do your job.  So I'm fairly certain every Qunari you meet will have a different set of viewpoints given the rules that they were taught to live by. 

[Ashen Nedra]

 

 

 

Which regardless of requirements for 'thick skin' leads to:

• pre-announce nothing
• hint about nothing
• confirm nothing
• deny nothing
• explain nothing
• promise nothing

Until whatever it is, is released or is very shortly about to be.

 

And I wouldn't blame anyone for that reaction.

 

 

Nor would I. I agree 100%. Stop communicating all the time before release, please do communicate when there is an issue.

 

But, if they do that they also have to stop using Twitch, Youtube and so on to attract gullible young people and old suckers like me and making false advertisement videos such as the infamous made by 'PC gamers by PC gamers' video

 

Mixing communication with fans and advanced e-commerce marketing is just dishonest; and illegal in a lot of countries.

 

 

 

DAI is not the worst game I've ever played. It had a lot of wasted potential imho, very good companions all in all, some impressive environments, some very nice touches like Cassandra limping, good romances, nice sword and shield gameplay...

 

The above is made difficult to enjoy, to say the least, by the horrible AI and interface, the segregation of gameplay/story, fetch-quests and fillers (worst than Amalur) and the bugs of course (myself, using Outcome or Origin off-line, I had only one CTD), so not a big deal for me. Except for the Banter Bug, which just kills what was the heart of a BW game.

 

In its current state, I would give it a 4.5/10 on PC (actual Continental-Europe-style grade, 10 or A+ is perfect, never or very rarely to be achieved, not 'you pay the fees, you get the Bs' style)

 

Dishonesty in commerce and false advertising in my beloved RPG video games, that I cannot forgive.

[Ashen Nedra]

I know that, I was proving a point. 

 

 Sten has one perspective compared to the rest because of where he is in the role of the Qunari. The perspective of one person does not constitute the truth of the organization. It's like saying everything that is believed by the Sgt. of the Air Force is the military doctrine of the U.S Army as a whole. It just doesn't work that way. 

 

Tallis, being a part of something else, proves that. As does Iron Bull, so the argument Sten is making is probably correct, but only to what he knows, not what the organization follows. You see what I mean?

Come on, it's a retcon, that's all.

 

Intended to go for the LGBT dollar.

[sim-ran]

Sten: Why are you here?
◾Morrigan: Excuse me?
◾Sten: Obviously you are no priestess. But shouldn't you be... running a shop, or a farm somewhere, rather than fighting?
◾Morrigan: You think to tell me my place, Qunari? You are very brave.
◾Sten: It is not done.
◾Morrigan: But it is done. Do not be such a blind fool.
◾Sten: I speak the truth. It is not I who am blind.
◾Morrigan: Look around you, then. you see women throughout this land, fighters and mages both.
◾Sten: That has yet to be proven.
◾Morrigan: Which? That they fight? Or that they are female?
◾Sten: Either.
◾Morrigan: So I am not truly a woman to you? Hmm. 'Tis good to know.

I've never heard that one - sounds neat!

[In Exile]

Mhm. Iron Bull also reveals that the Qun, and the Qunari, are not exactly as absolute as you are lead to believe. Or at least implies it heavily.

 

Absolute or not in it's doctrine, the Qun still is falliable to different points of view, hence how and why Bull can still be a fighter and a spy, instead of a priest, which I believe also predominantly female as far as what priests are typically seen.

 

The Qun has an a completely counter-intuitive view of personhood that's completely alien to our own, and people get confused when Bioware is consistent in its use because they keep forgetting the starting premise. 

 

It's important to understand that the Qun has a ridiculous number of intellectual fictions that don't make sense. For example, your role is absolute and defines your essence. It's all you are, were and ever could be as a person. Except for the fact that it changes and has an organizational chart. Sten is a Sten, always meant to be a Sten, forever a Sten... until he's the Arishok. He probably has a CV lying around somewhere. 

 

It's a weird logic that focuses on the present and venerates it without really thinking about identity in the way that we do. This is why it can have simultaneously really fluid and really strict views on gender. 

 

The Qun is quintessentially defined by its ridiculous mental gymnastics. 

 

If you want an example, take the Arishok's reaction to Hawke's question about how many Qunari he lost to the Tal-Vasoth. His answer is "none", which is obviously stupid and wrong if you take his meaning to be the number of people who died or defected. But what he means to do is apply the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. Except that this is encouraged and part of the Qun instead of something seen as a anti-logic black hole. 

[LinksOcarina]

Come on, it's a retcon, that's all.

 

Intended to go for the LGBT dollar.

 

Well, you are wrong about that.