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[Basher of Glory]

Until now I always decided to leave the warden Stroud behind and save Hawke.

 

After returning to Skyhold, Hawke says something like

"...going to Weisshaupt and reporting..."

 

In my last game I wanted to see a difference and left Hawke behind. What did Stroud tell me?

"...going to Weisshaupt and reporting..."

 

In one of the war room missions in Orlais the remaining wardens died, too, although the last "high ranking officer" Stroud was still ..somewhere.

 

Now I ask, why we should let our Hawke (probably) die?

 

As far as I understood the lore, in Weisshaupt a yet unknown leader of the wardens is in charge. What will be the GREAT difference, when Stroud reports or Hawke reports? Shouldn't the lead staff be able to rebuild the wardens even if there is no "last high ranking officer"?

 

Even under RP-aspects I see no reason to let Hawke die. Did I interpret the lore falsely and / or miss something?

Different opinions?

[JumboWheat01]

For Stroud?  There should never be a reason to leave Hawke behind.  But for Loghain, or Alistair?  It starts getting a little tougher for characters we actually developed an attachment too.

[Lukas Trevelyan]

One difference is Hawke disappears while Warden (Alistair in my case) leads a rebellion to change the order of the Grey Wardens from within. The way I see it is that saving Stroud allows you to make sure the grey wardens in the area still have a decent leader, one who trusts you, and even when they quarrel and nothing is heard from them, you know there's one good man up there who is able to fight for what's good. 

[Gearwar2805]

Nothing. There is no reason to let Hawke die. The choice will be dealt with in DA4 with a sentence or something. I never ever felt it was a choice at all. In fact I was wondering why I had to decide between Hawke and Strout anyway. It would have been way better if I had to decide to leave one of my companions behind.... you know people that might matter to me.

 

The Hawke/Strout choice is stupid because I am unsure what BW thought. Only people who hated Hawke should be eager to sacrifice him/her over an unknown guy like strout. Which makes me wonder why they play DAI in the first place. If you hate Hawke, why bother with 50 hours+ DA2?

 

Its a stupid "choice" for the sake of "choice". Another illusion of freedom that BW tries to sell us. Either make a linear story where we can not interact at all or give us actual choices and not some stupid fillers.

[Mirth]

I left Hawke behind the first time because

 

1:  He wasn't 'my' Hawke.  In fact, my Hawke was female... so not sure how the Keep messed that up.  Regardless, I wasn't attached to this doppelganger.

 

2:  This 'imposter' Hawke was being an arse and Stoud was actually cool and level headed.  Made it easy to choose between the two.

 

I was only sorry when Varric broke down.  Poor guy.

[Sweawm]

It's really just... meaningless really in the end. If you choose anyone but Loghain or Alister who are confirmed to be leading one side of the Warden Civil War in the north, the person you picked to survive simply "hasn't been heard from since". 

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Nothing. There is no reason to let Hawke die. The choice will be dealt with in DA4 with a sentence or something. I never ever felt it was a choice at all. In fact I was wondering why I had to decide between Hawke and Strout anyway. It would have been way better if I had to decide to leave one of my companions behind.... you know people that might matter to me.

 

The Hawke/Strout choice is stupid because I am unsure what BW thought. Only people who hated Hawke should be eager to sacrifice him/her over an unknown guy like strout. Which makes me wonder why they play DAI in the first place. If you hate Hawke, why bother with 50 hours+ DA2?

 

Its a stupid "choice" for the sake of "choice". Another illusion of freedom that BW tries to sell us. Either make a linear story where we can not interact at all or give us actual choices and not some stupid fillers.

 

I love my hawke and I sacrificed her for Stroud, because Stroud had a position of power and I thought he'd be needed in order for the Grey warden's to be an effective fighting force for me.

[Basher of Glory]

Just to save time, I ask, what I must change in "The Keep" to have Alistair appear, like some of you mentioned.

[rapscallioness]

Alistair needs to remain a Warden in DAO to show up in that quest.

 

I had to choose between him and Hawke. It was awful.

[Sjofn]

I had a friend sacrifice Hawke for Stroud because Stroud was the one who had saved that Hawke's sibling from dying of the Blight in the Deep Roads, and reasoned Hawke would absolutely give her life for Stroud in return.

[berelinde]

Alistair needs to remain a Warden in DAO to show up in that quest.

 

I had to choose between him and Hawke. It was awful.

Yes, it is awful. Whether or not I can do it will depend on who my Hawke romanced. If it was Anders, no way is Hawke going to die. Anders needs Hawke, full stop. If it was Isabela... well, I love Isabela to itty bitty pirate-shaped pieces, but no matter what happens to Hawke, she'll be okay. But I'm not sure if I can do that to Varric.

[Basher of Glory]

You know sending Hawke to Weisshaupt was like sending Mark Darrah to EA HQ. That's so unbelievable. I mean Bioware doesn't even use these forums. They're on Reddit somewhere. It's more believeable they sent carrier ravens or you know, a PR person (a diplomat from the Inquisition) to Weissaupt.

Yup, that was my next question...

 

In my games either Bethany "joined" the Circle or Carver became a templar. Thus, my Hawke knows about wardens as much as the guy next door. It really makes no sense at all.

 

But even if she went there, what is she going to tell the leader?

"Uhm... Stroud is dead. He died in the Fade... don't ask how he came there...."

[Han Shot First]

The sad thing is that it probably means Weisshaupt will be a location we visit in the next game, and that there will be some important mission there that has consequences for all of Thedas. It will be Hawke however that makes a cameo (again!) rather than the Hero of Ferelden, despite the Warden having much more of a reason to be there.

[King Cousland]

If Alistair's a Warden, leaving Hawke behind feels like a natural conclusion to their story. I feel that, due to his previous appearances and character growth, Alistair would have a role which would be far more cohesive to a future Warden narrative. 

 

If it's Stroud, I'd let him sacrifice himself as I don't feel he could affect as much as Hawke could. 

 

Loghain is a tough one as I feel that the Redeemer ending in Origins is the perfect conclusion to his story, plus, I doubt he really has long left to live in any case. Still, he probably remains my favourite character in the franchise so I'd have to have a world state in which he was left alive. 

[Gearwar2805]

I love my hawke and I sacrificed her for Stroud, because Stroud had a position of power and I thought he'd be needed in order for the Grey warden's to be an effective fighting force for me.

 

Well then I question your reasoning I suppose? I mean its nice for you to think of the Grey wardens, but honestly, I could not kill off my personal Hawke for a no-name like strout, specially if I consider that my original Grey warden still lives. Hell, even if he does not, Alistair is still alive. Even if he is king, in my game he would never abandon the order.

 

There was no threat to their survival, so I sacrificed the least important person. Still.... I really would have loved to see some party sacrifice. It was the perfect opportunity. You did not expect it and you certainly considered reloading it, because you will lose atleast an hour. Another great chance wasted.

[Basher of Glory]

In regard of Alistair...

 

Although he is King now for 10 years, he is still a Warden, right?

 

Wouldn't the false "Call" have reached him, too?

 

Anyway, he must be in his 30s now... do I remember correctly that Wardens hardly become more than 35 because of the "correct" Call?

[Gearwar2805]

In regard of Alistair...

 

Although he is King now for 10 years, he is still a Warden, right?

 

Wouldn't the false "Call" have reached him, too?

 

Anyway, he must be in his 30s now... do I remember correctly that Wardens hardly become more than 35?

 

 

You make some goods points, but mayn. it was easier to ignore the lore presented in the first game and just try to cover up important parts of the game like that. You can be certain that Alistair gets his new cameo as king in the next DA Game....just, just do not question it!

[themageguy]

The sad thing is that it probably means Weisshaupt will be a location we visit in the next game, and that there will be some important mission there that has consequences for all of Thedas. It will be Hawke however that makes a cameo (again!) rather than the Hero of Ferelden, despite the Warden having much more of a reason to be there.

The warden is on his/her own personal quest to stop the advancement of the taints corruption, so initially the HoF may not be at Weisshaupt.

Personally i was disappointed Mage hawke didn't use spells in the fade and at the very least I was hoping to see enchanted weapons on non-Mage hawke ...

[Bigdoser]

Its kinda funny with the choice that they say they will "likely" die. I suspect they are not actually dead. 

[katerinafm]

Alistair or Loghain could take Stroud's place. Leaving Stroud behind is easier since you don't know him, but leaving Alistair who could also potentially be romanced by your Warden? Yeah, not doing that.

[Metalzen]

    This choice made my head hurt the first time, and the second, and the third...you see a pattern here? In my first playthrough I had had Stroud as Alistair was king. At first I thought, bah, I'll leave the relatively unknown guy here and save Hawke, but after reconsidering I had other ideas develop. My Hawke is a mage, and the dialogue indicates that whomever you leave behind will "most likely die..."  not definitely. So I thought this is a trick, they want me to leave Stroud because I won't leave my Hawke. Well out of the two Hawke is the only one in my opinion that would stand a chance against the demon. Hawke is also the first to volunteer to stay behind, stating that Stroud is needed to rebuild Wardens. Also stating that Corepheus is his (hawke's) responsibility. This last statement confused me at first. Obviously Cory isn't here, whats Hawke mean by that? 

 

   Anyway, I chose to leave Hawke that first time. I completed all the Warden table missions and all my wardens died to "poor choices" apparently lol. On second play through, I left Hawke again, and this time managed to complete all Warden table missions with minimal casualties and keeping high morale. On third play through I left Stroud, and was still able to complete all the warden missions favorably just as I had done on second run. So it seams those missions are not bound to your choice to leave/save Stroud. As far as I can tell only the epilogue is effected.

 

   Varric's reaction to leaving Hawke was heartbreaking. It made me second guess my choice, and consider restarting that first time. However, after seeing the same scenes play out having left Stroud in Fade, it didn't have anywhere near the same impact and felt pretty weak. The heart wrenching outcome is more favorable to me if only for the fact it makes it more meaningful. Regardless Varric stuck with me and after that amazing game of wicked grace his taro card was no longer depressing to look at.

 

   Now there's that bit about Cory being Hawke's responsibility. It occurred to me that at the end of last battle I don't just deal a killing blow to Cory, I make a point of saying "So ,you wanted  into the fade?" or something like that, and then bam, I send him into the fade, albeit somewhat warped and possibly slightly crushed lol. So was Hawke in there waiting for him? Again, with my Hawke being a mage and having an understanding of the fade, and being bad ass enough in my opinion to beat the big spider (a note here: leaving Stroud he seams resigned to his death, leaving Hawke he makes makes a light hearted joke about "always has to be spiders"), maybe he knew something I didn't and wanted to make sure to kill Cory this time permanently. After all, if he was so insistent  about it being his responsibility why didn't he come to final battle even when I left Stroud? 

 

    Then there's the possibilty of this being resolved in a dlc, totally guessing here, rescue mission? I still have anchor, why not go back into fade and get Hawke/Stroud out? Maybe different encounter based on who is left in fade, find Hawke and help him finish off big bad spider (not sure how time works in the fade, but Hawke is a survivor) or find Stroud beaten by spider and  corrupted into new baddie and have to take him down? I don't know just possibilities/pipe dreams.

 

   Now in my world state with Alistair as the warden, it makes choosing to leave Hawke behind a little easier. No way I'm leaving Alistair behind, period lol. After considering all this I just feel Like Hawke is the best choice to remain in fade, although not the easiest choice to make. 

[GoldenAngelHeart]

In regard of Alistair...

 

Although he is King now for 10 years, he is still a Warden, right?

 

Wouldn't the false "Call" have reached him, too?

 

Anyway, he must be in his 30s now... do I remember correctly that Wardens hardly become more than 35 because of the "correct" Call?

 

It's more like 30 yrs to live, give or take. Alistair tells you this in DA:O. So technically, he'd still have another 20 or so yrs left before he would hear his ''correct'' calling.

 

In regards to the thread:

My game despises me every time I choose to save Alistair by leaving Hawke behind to face-off with the giant nightmare demon. It rebels and gives me three hours of lag when I talk to Varric to console him about it. So the majority..big big big majority of the time my Keep imports have to have Alistair as King of Ferelden so Hawke can be saved from the fade while Stroud is left behind. 

[zambingo]

I am tired of the story reasons why the powerful and capable HoF and Hawke are not around. I understand the technical reasons, but the they're missing etc reasons are now grating on my nerves.

As such I killed both. I went into the Keep and US the Warden, put Anora on the throne and kept Alistair a warden (after he kicked Loghain's ass for Duncan). So now in DAI my Hawke can be the difference, can make a stand that sticks (unlike the tough luck **** happens aspect of DA2).

With that done, no more loose ends. No more uber heroes sitting this fight out. My PCs left it all on the field and went out like badasses.

So yes, there is a reason to sacrifice Hawke.