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Hello OP, I played this on PC, I played Origins on PC, I played every single other RPG Bioware has ever made on PC. I have played a hell of a lot of other RPGs made by other companies on PC for the last 18 years or so.

 

Inquisition is my favourite RPG. :)


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I too have played many action rpg's and I mean many includng DAO, so when I say, DA2 and DAI are not great action rpg's and games of the year, that is correct.
 
 
What has been done since DAO and other action rpg's from that time, November .03, 2009......just over 5 years ago, not that long ago actually:
 
- no more isometric view
- can't look and move with mouse anymore
- not optimized for PC anymore, be we were told DAI was......!!
- dumbed down skills trees and inventory system, items, etc.
- short game
- end boss fight short and not worthy for an end boss
- useless side quests with no real purpose, repetitive
- no campsite
- no storage chest
- can't talk with party members whenever you want
- can't buy gifts for romancing and give them whenever you want
- can't talk with or be intimate with your romanced character whenever you want
- when finsihed game, no longer can talk and have romance with your romance character, like it never happened
- no pets
- no swimming, diving, searching for chests, sunken ships, etc.
- no buying a plot of land, building a place, custom inside and outside
- npc's just do nothing most of the time and are even frozen like statues
- can't interact with items, eat food, move and look in pots and barrels, sit down in a chair and at a table
- can't sleep in sleeping bag
- can't set time you nap or sleep
- can't make fire, cut wood, nothing
- can't scale mountains
- no marriage
- no option for kids
- plots and storyline not that great anymore
- can't buy a boat and go exploring whenever you want
- no sunsets and sunrises
- no real time sky and weather
- no whorehouse for naughty fun
 
 
These are just some things done in action rpg's from only a few years ago.....so why not in the latest frostbite 3 engine for DAI?
 
You keep on taking away what we can do, make the game shorter, simpler, but give us better graphics and cutscenes.....I guess they think we're simple and stupid?!
 
If Bioware makes a DA4 and impliments these ideas and more, like many action rpg's, then I can see DA4 being game of the year and the best action rpg in years.
 
Since this is a Dragon Age game, play DAO, the DLC's and Awanenings. Then play DAI and compare......you'll see what I mean how its gone downhill and in only 5+ years.

Sounds like Fable, no thanks.

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Hello OP, I played this on PC, I played Origins on PC, I played every single other RPG Bioware has ever made on PC. I have played a hell of a lot of other RPGs made by other companies on PC for the last 18 years or so.

 

Inquisition is my favourite RPG. :)

 

What games would those be?



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The only users who would say DAI is the best RPG ever are PS4 users.......go figure.

 

 

 

 

DAO had excellent storylines, plots, quests, sub quests, DLC's and an expansion pack. DAO was more or less what a proper RPG is supposed to be and there was ISOMETRIC view.

 

 

 

OH....... Not another worshipper of DAO please, excellent storylines? With the obvious clichè of the typical darkness coming from the underground and the elves,dwarves and Human to fight against the mindless boss....


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What games would those be?

 

OK, off the top of my head...

 

Fallout, Fallout 2, Fallout 3 (didn't like), Fallout: New Vegas

Icewind Dale, IcewindDale 2

Morrowind, Oblivion (didn't like), Skyrim (was ok)

Vampire: The masquerade 

Neverwinter Nights 2 + expansions

KoToR 2

Wasteland 2

Dead State

Everything made by Bioware

 

Probably a bunch of other ones too, but those are the ones I can immediately think of. 


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OK, off the top of my head...

 

Fallout, Fallout 2, Fallout 3 (didn't like), Fallout: New Vegas

Icewind Dale, IcewindDale 2

Morrowind, Oblivion (didn't like), Skyrim (was ok)

Vampire: The masquerade 

Neverwinter Nights 2 + expansions

KoToR 2

Wasteland 2

Dead State

Everything made by Bioware

 

Probably a bunch of other ones too, but those are the ones I can immediately think of. 

 

Biowarefan?



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OH....... Not another worshipper of DAO please, excellent storylines? With the obvious clichè of the typical darkness coming from the underground and the elves,dwarves and Human to fight against the mindless boss....

 

Right, and DA:I had so much depth to it :P maybe the characters but not the story.


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OP - How dare you bring up specific points that make sense and word the post without ranting and raving.  Didn't you know that we here on the forums don't want the devs to read threads like this because we are all hostile?

 

There is a person on the forums where the ban hammer runs strong in them. Friday I felt a great disturbance in the forums as if millions of penguins suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.


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Biowarefan?

 

Am I a Bioware fan? Kinda?

 

Love the entire Baldur's Gate series, liked Origins and Mass Effect 2. Their other games are mostly just OK for me, I think a lot of other games I listed are better. 

 

Best RPGs for me are BG2, Inquisition, Fallout 2, Fallout: NV, Morrowind, Mask of the Betrayer, Dead State, KoToR 2. (not in order)



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Am I a Bioware fan? Kinda?

 

Love the entire Baldur's Gate series, liked Origins and Mass Effect 2. Their other games are mostly just OK for me, I think a lot of other games I listed are better. 

 

Best RPGs for me are BG2, Inquisition, Fallout 2, Fallout: NV, Morrowind, Mask of the Betrayer, Dead State, KoToR 2. (not in order)

 

 

Thoughts on NWN? 



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Thoughts on NWN? 

 

Didn't like it. Played some mods for it that were OK. I think I just didn't like it because I played it right after BG and didn't like the change in ruleset. Also, I hated the inventory system...

 

Are you going to quiz me about my entire gaming history? 



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No, not really, didn't make sense why you'd really dislike DA:O when it was a combo of BG and NWN. If you don't like NWN however I can see why you'd find DA:O boring. 

 

Still doesn't really explain the story but in another thread you did say you like having as little of your character predefined for you, so that you can make your own origin (which in honesty is good, making your own character history is good). I myself like having context to why I'm in the situation i'm in, how it impacts me on a personal level (the character), running into old enemies other than the 'big faceless dumb monster' at the end and blah.. Loghain, Rendon Howe? Those were my enemies, I didn't have the big side boss villains to despise (Samson was a pathetic wretch, but he didn't wrong me personally, and Calphernia, I felt more sorry for than anything). It just felt like the last boss was not to my taste, in both character or combat.. But hey, that's only -me-

 

no more questions. obviously they aren't mandatory or anything. I just really didn't understand.


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No, not really, didn't make sense why you'd really dislike DA:O when it was a combo of BG and NWN. If you don't like NWN however I can see why you'd find DA:O boring. 

 

 

Why NwN specifically? I'd say DA:O is much closer in style to the BG series. Ignoring the expansions (which I haven't played), NwN's main campaign felt like a template more than anything. 



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Why NwN specifically? I'd say DA:O is much closer in style to the BG series. Ignoring the expansions (which I haven't played), NwN's main campaign felt like a template more than anything. 

 

Agreed. NwN is mostly just a "create your own game engine". The campaign was just a very very generic one, so that the player would actually have something to play.



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Are you going to quiz me about my entire gaming history? 

 

I'll jump on the band wagon here for kicks:

 

What did you think of Fallout 3?  New Vegas?

 

Would you agree that the Call of Duty and Battlefield series need to take a break?

 

Do you like Origin and if not why?

 

What's your blood type?  Have you already sold your first born to the devil?

 

Have you ever been convicted of a felony or misdemeanor with in the last 7 years?  Could you provide three references of your gaming history?  Where were you on November 22, 1963?  Are those grass stains on your clothes?

 

Would you have beta tested DA:I to help find bugs before release so that there might not have been so many had they offered us that option?

 

I could go on but I'll wait to see if you answer those before I grill you some more.

 

:)


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I'll jump on the band wagon here for kicks:

 

What did you think of Fallout 3?  New Vegas?

 

Would you agree that the Call of Duty and Battlefield series need to take a break?

 

Do you like Origin and if not why?

 

What's your blood type?  Have you already sold your first born to the devil?

 

Have you ever been convicted of a felony or misdemeanor with in the last 7 years?  Could you provide three references of your gaming history?  Where were you on November 22, 1963?  Are those grass stains on your clothes?

 

Would you have beta tested DA:I to help find bugs before release so that there might not have been so many had they offered us that option?

 

I could go on but I'll wait to see if you answer those before I grill you some more.

 

:)

 

You forgot the vital question.

 

What is the airspeed velocity of an african swallow?


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I asked about NwN because and I want to stress that it's my impression, but DA:O and NwN are identical in engine



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No, not really, didn't make sense why you'd really dislike DA:O when it was a combo of BG and NWN. If you don't like NWN however I can see why you'd find DA:O boring. 

 

Still doesn't really explain the story but in another thread you did say you like having as little of your character predefined for you, so that you can make your own origin (which in honesty is good, making your own character history is good). I myself like having context to why I'm in the situation i'm in, how it impacts me on a personal level (the character), running into old enemies other than the 'big faceless dumb monster' at the end and blah.. Loghain, Rendon Howe? Those were my enemies, I didn't have the big side boss villains to despise (Samson was a pathetic wretch, but he didn't wrong me personally, and Calphernia, I felt more sorry for than anything). It just felt like the last boss was not to my taste, in both character or combat.. But hey, that's only -me-

 

no more questions. obviously they aren't mandatory or anything. I just really didn't understand.

 

My main problem with the gameplay in Origins is just the speed (also the inventory, but that's bad in inquisition too!).  :) I explained my problem with NWN gameplay (possibly not the games fault), but it also had a awful plot, and no characters. So there was nothing there for me.

 

I don't really see much of a difference with not having a Origin. If you took the first hour of inquisition and titled it the "origin" of you character, it's exactly the same for me. An origin just showed you the starting event that defined how your character got involved in the plot and gave you a chance to roleplay some reactions to define your character.

 

Origins: I was a full-of-herself mage, who was tricked by her friend into trying to escape because she thought the templars couldn't touch her, and was conscripted to avoid capture/death.

 

Inquisition: I was full-of-herself Dalish mage, who was sent to the conclave as a spy, decided that picking up an ancient artifact of unknown power was a great idea, and got captured by humans.

 

Both told me my background, and gave me a chance to have a range of reactions to people. Both allowed me to define my character. So not much of a difference for me! :)

 

My problem with Origins, is the same you have with Inquisition. I had no personal connection to the villain in Origins, no reason to care. The inquisition villain put a mark on my hand that was killing me, of course I cared about that! I agree that the side bosses weren't great though! Origins, I didn't have any enemies. Seeing Jowen again was nice, but she certainly didn't think of him as a enemy, just a bad friend.

 

Sorry, I think I snapped at you a bit for the questions. :( I just didn't see the links between what you were asking, and thought they were random! My bad! Feel free to ask if you have more!



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I think DA:I is a fine adventure game. 

 

That's the nicest thing I can use to describe it. 



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What a great thread.



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Its a pretty good game with a few glaring flaws and ultimately inferior to origins.

 

I find it incredibly anoying however that bioware have turned into mediocre devs when it comes to bugs though.



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OH....... Not another worshipper of DAO please, excellent storylines? With the obvious clichè of the typical darkness coming from the underground and the elves,dwarves and Human to fight against the mindless boss....

...

 

DAI didn't have that sort of evil?



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My main problem with the gameplay in Origins is just the speed (also the inventory, but that's bad in inquisition too!).   :) I explained my problem with NWN gameplay (possibly not the games fault), but it also had a awful plot, and no characters. So there was nothing there for me.

 

I don't really see much of a difference with not having a Origin. If you took the first hour of inquisition and titled it the "origin" of you character, it's exactly the same for me. An origin just showed you the starting event that defined how your character got involved in the plot and gave you a chance to roleplay some reactions to define your character.

 

Origins: I was a full-of-herself mage, who was tricked by her friend into trying to escape because she thought the templars couldn't touch her, and was conscripted to avoid capture/death.

 

Inquisition: I was full-of-herself Dalish mage, who was sent to the conclave as a spy, decided that picking up an ancient artifact of unknown power was a great idea, and got captured by humans.

 

Both told me my background, and gave me a chance to have a range of reactions to people. Both allowed me to define my character. So not much of a difference for me! :)

 

My problem with Origins, is the same you have with Inquisition. I had no personal connection to the villain in Origins, no reason to care. The inquisition villain put a mark on my hand that was killing me, of course I cared about that! I agree that the side bosses weren't great though! Origins, I didn't have any enemies. Seeing Jowen again was nice, but she certainly didn't think of him as a enemy, just a bad friend.

 

Sorry, I think I snapped at you a bit for the questions. :( I just didn't see the links between what you were asking, and thought they were random! My bad! Feel free to ask if you have more!

 

 

Did you try to cast haste in Origins? Because it makes it a tad faster, and it is a sustained ability.