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[Basher of Glory]

Remembering the discussions on DA 2 boards, Varric was always seen in different ways by different players:

 

1) For those who prefer a dps-party he was the ultimate destruction engine

2) For the rest.... I'm not sure

 

In my eyes he was a nice narrative element but not really a companion I would care about too much. Just to make the difference clear:

 

In DA:O I loved Leliana and Morrigan (as companions and personalities) followed by Alistair. For them I'd have sacrificed the rest of my gang without a second thought.

 

In DA II it was a bit harder for me, but on a scale from 0 (= hate) to 10 (= love) Varric would have had about 2 or 3 while Isabella and Aveline reached 7 or 8.

 

When I started DA:I and found Varric right in the first minutes of my new game my thoughts were something like

"ohh.... he again....".

 

During the game I didn't care too much for him. Sure, I helped him with his personal stuff and used him in my party from time to time.

But he stayed what he was in DA II: Someone around who doesn't really annoy me but that's about it.

 

Then there is this:

 

First shop in Haven selling parts for his crossbow.

First shop in Skyhold selling parts for his crossbow.

Second shop in Skyhold selling parts for his crossbow.

Shop in Valroyeaux selling parts for his crossbow (IIRC)

I find schematics for his crossbow.

 

Every other wartable mission the reward was an amuet of power for.... Varric. The rewards for his sidequests were... amulets of power.

I didn't count, but from my feeling he was the undoubted number one in gatherring amulets of power.

 

To make it short:

 

I literally saw a dev behind me like a materialized nightmare, constantly whispering

 

"Love Varric, love Varric!"

 

like a mantra of surface dwelling Dwarf-worship directly into my left ear.

 

After DA:X the series will certainly be renamed into "The adventures of Varric" or "Bad-@ss in Thedas".

 

Anyone feeling the same way?

[Mes]

Well frequenting this forum in the months leading up to DAI, I've come across a LOT of Varric love from people. But I feel more or less like you, that he's kind of... meh? I mean there's nothing wrong with him, but I get this sense that someone is trying to shove this character down my throat. Like Leliana. Like Morrigan. 

 

I didn't think it was the greatest idea to make him a companion, AGAIN. At least Leliana and Morrigan were in different roles this time around. 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if he was a companion yet again in DA4.  Him and the "real" Bianca.

[ThreeF]

Then there is this:

 

First shop in Haven selling parts for his crossbow.

First shop in Skyhold selling parts for his crossbow.

Second shop in Skyhold selling parts for his crossbow.

Shop in Valroyeaux selling parts for his crossbow (IIRC)

I find schematics for his crossbow.

 

Varric can't use anything but his crossbow, so the game has to compensate somehow, or he would end up with a very weak weapon.

 

 

Every other wartable mission the reward was an amuet of power for.... Varric. The rewards for his sidequests were... amulets of power.

I didn't count, but from my feeling he was the undoubted number one in gatherring amulets of power.

 

Not really, Varric has a war table chain mission, Vivienne also has a similar one, Sera has various WT missions too, all results in amulets of power for respective characters.

 

edit (looked things up in couple wikis):

 

From what I see from WT missions. IB gets 1 amulet, Sera gets 1 amulet, Varric gets 2 amulets, Vivienne gets 2 amulets.

 

As a whole in the game your characters can get (depending on your choices/race/dragons) aprox:

 

Solas - 5

Blackwall - 3

Cassandra - 3

Cole - 4

Dorian - 3

IQ - 5

IB - 3

Sera - 2

Varric - 5

Vivienne - 5

 

Sera is the one that gets the least it seems.

[Gervaise]

To be fair there were legitimate reasons they could explain Varric's presence in DAI and as one of the driving forces in DA2 (he did after all organise the Deep Roads trip that started the whole red lyrium thing, plus being the official biographer of Hawke) that he was a good link between the two, particularly for people who were new to the game.

 

I don't think he got Amulets of Power that much more than any other character - the only ones I haven't got them for, yet, are Iron Bull and Sera and that is probably because I haven't used them enough or done the right quests/war table missions.

 

I didn't mind seeing him again; I was far more upset when the link between Origins and Awakening was Oghran, my least favourite character.    After the first few missions you could pretty much ignore Varric if you wanted to and other companions had a much more significant impact on various plots, so really if there was a bias towards him, it didn't make much difference in the grand scheme of things.   Since they wanted to bring back Hawke, he was really the only person who could conceivably know where they were.

[Grieving Natashina]

You'll get more Amulets of Power for Sera from doing her "Red Jenny" War Table missions.  I know that one of Bull's comes from one of the dragons.  I think the one in the Abyssal Wastes.  Personally, I haven't noticed Varric getting more AoP than anyone else.  <shrug>

[JackPoint]

oh  dunno, for my game varric as every skill in Archery Sabotage and artifcer and thats without trying. They did shove varric down your throat a little too much i think, and yet i never used him because his Ai is the dumbest of the 9 .

 

He s definitely not the man he was in DA2, but then neither is the companion tactics menu, Dai comp tac is akin to herding sheep with a shotgun.

[l7986]

Agree with you 100% OP. Usually dump Varric as soon as I get Sera and never use him again until his personal quest starts up, then its back to being the obscure dwarf that's there for reasons.

[line_genrou]

Varric's alright. I want Oghren back though. Where is Oghren??

In the Keep you mess with how you left him, if he was together with Falsi and his child, but he's not even mentioned in DA:I

plus he is a warden too

[Basher of Glory]

Just for clarification:

I might have exaggerated a tiny little bit when I wrote about the power amulets of Varric. I'm aware of this

 

Nevertheless I have the feeling that the devs try to impose him on us.

 

@ Threef

 

I think he can use daggers, too. At least he has the skill tree and some people on this forum wrote, that they skilled him in this direction.

[tirnoney]

The only person in the whole game i get that dev whispering behind me feeling that you describe with is Morrigan. I hate her with a passion that only grows with each playthrough which is odd when i think about how i really liked her character in Origins.


The stupid grin on my inquisitor's face when she sees Morrigan for the first time in Halamshiral is probably the start of it. At least i get to leave her enslaved to her mother after she explains to my dalish inquisitor who Mythal was (!). Poetic justice.

[line_genrou]

The only person in the whole game i get that dev whispering behind me feeling that you describe with is Morrigan. I hate her with a passion that only grows with each playthrough which is odd when i think about how i really liked her character in Origins.


The stupid grin on my inquisitor's face when she sees Morrigan for the first time in Halamshiral is probably the start of it. At least i get to leave her enslaved to her mother after she explains to my dalish inquisitor who Mythal was (!). Poetic justice.

That smirk was so creepy

[ThreeF]

@ Threef

 

I think he can use daggers, too. At least he has the skill tree and some people on this forum wrote, that they skilled him in this direction.

Ah yes, I misspoke, I mean to say he can't use any other bow.

 

I'm indifferent to Varric as a whole. There is one moment in game when I want to tell him that he is being an *******, other than that he just blends in.

[MikeJW]

Varric's alright. I want Oghren back though. Where is Oghren??

In the Keep you mess with how you left him, if he was together with Falsi and his child, but he's not even mentioned in DA:I

plus he is a warden too

 

I also want Oghren back. Imagine the Oghren/Vivien banter.

 

Anyway, I'm also kind of meh on Varric. I like his character on a personal level but you seem to get more interesting banter from Sera or Cole who also aren't tied down to using a unique weapon that falls behind crafted stuff.

[Mann42]

I literally saw a dev behind me like a materialized nightmare, constantly whispering

 

"Love Varric, love Varric!"

 

like a mantra of surface dwelling Dwarf-worship directly into my left ear.

 

There are worse surface dwelling Dwarves to worship.

 

Just love Varric and everything will be okay.

 

After DA:X the series will certainly be renamed into "The adventures of Varric" or "Bad-@ss in Thedas".

 

I'd buy that.

[DuskWanderer]

No, I've never thought Varric was shoveled on us by the devs. He was just there, Hawke never went on tirades about how wonderful Varric was, nor were we forced to use him at all (except for his personal missions, which, well, duh)

 

If you want a BioWARE character shoveled down our throats, look to Liara. 

[_Aine_]

For some reason I kind of see Varric as the tie in between us as people playing the game, and the game.  He is the story-teller, we the "experiencer" of the tale.  Now, it isn't always presented as such, as he was in DA2, but for a reason I can't put my finger on, I still see it like that.  Like he is the spine that keeps all the pages together.  That we sort of see it through his eyes whether they say so or not.   Somehow, he as a dwarf, is us as the people.  

 

I have zero to base it on, and I am not saying that is the device used here at all...that is just how I view my opinion of Varric.  That we are supposed to see things as he does even when it isn't officially stated as the case.    

 

And that made much more sense safely in my head before I tried to verbalize it.  lol  It could be very much "2 hours after normal coffee time."  

[line_genrou]

I feel like Cullen was shoveled  down our throats by the devs, to be honest.

First of all, I don't understand how this character became so popular. It felt like overnight everyone started talking about him and I'm like "who is this??", then I had to search it up and found out he was the templar in DA:O who was trapped inside that barrier thing. And it was like "ohhh that one dude". His 5 min tops dialogue with you that one time. He's not even that memorable in DA2 either.

Suddenly everyone is talking about him as if he was some major character.

[ZipZap2000]

He's the guy I forget is even there most of the time which might explain why he's the first person you see when you enter skyhold or walk through the gates at haven. 

 

"Don't forget about Varric"

[DuskWanderer]

I feel like Cullen was shoveled  down our throats by the devs, to be honest.

First of all, I don't understand how this character became so popular. It felt like overnight everyone started talking about him and I'm like "who is this??", then I had to search it up and found out he was the templar in DA:O who was trapped inside that barrier thing. And it was like "ohhh that one dude". His 5 min tops dialogue with you that one time. He's not even that memorable in DA2 either.

Suddenly everyone is talking about him as if he was some major character.

 

Before DA:I, the only people who were talking about him were the Cullenites. Now it's larger. They also like his "You have to go through me moment" in Kirkwall. Plus, he was the only templar who wasn't completely crazy, so there's that.

 

It's the Ship tease aspect. It's why Harding has so much love despite being a minor character, a relationship is teased but not explored, and when coupled with a good design, lights the hearts of the players. 

[Xiomara]

I have the same problem but with Leliana. In Origins you could get rid of any character from your party and it's possible you could never hear from them again. Don't like Alistair? Have him executed. Don't like Zevran? Ditto. Oghren, Sten and Wynne can all leave and none of them feature in future games. No matter what you do with Leliana from killing her to not recruiting her she magically reappears as a super important character from a super important secret organization. I never thought she was a vital or important character to the grand scheme of things in the same way as Alistair or Morrigan, but it seems she's indispensable.

[rapscallioness]

I love Varric, but I don't think he had much to say this game. Or at least, I don't think so...nothing memorable.

 

I mean I still remember certain lines from DA2: the one where he asks Carver if he's "still riding side saddle while b!tching at your betters? Drinks later? Never miss 'em."  Or the commentary on modern life, and that commentary was, "Well, shyte."

 

In DAI I still liked him and he was a good fighter in my party. But I felt closer to him in DA2. And there was this moment during the Cass/ romance book thing when he said some smarmy aside abt, "Tell your friends...if you have any.." I was like, psssh, whatever Varric. Unnecessary roughness. I didn't like that, at all. He just sounded like a d!ck at that point.

[Majestic Jazz]

Fan service

[Basher of Glory]

For some reason I kind of see Varric as the tie in between us as people playing the game, and the game.  He is the story-teller, we the "experiencer" of the tale.  Now, it isn't always presented as such, as he was in DA2, but for a reason I can't put my finger on, I still see it like that.  Like he is the spine that keeps all the pages together.  That we sort of see it through his eyes whether they say so or not.   Somehow, he as a dwarf, is us as the people.  

 

I have zero to base it on, and I am not saying that is the device used here at all...that is just how I view my opinion of Varric.  That we are supposed to see things as he does even when it isn't officially stated as the case.    

 

And that made much more sense safely in my head before I tried to verbalize it.  lol  It could be very much "2 hours after normal coffee time."  

Well, I could see him as kind of a chronicler of the Inquisition with occasional personal quests. This would fit to his role as narrative element.

 

Really, I'd like to see what future DLCs will bring to us...

[katerinafm]

Fan service

 

He is a fan favorite, but he was probably meant to be a companion in DAI from the beginning due how DA2 plays out.

 

Varric is great, but he is not the same without Hawke.

[VelvetStraitjacket]

Yeah, I never cared for Varric.