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[Vazgen]

If we choose Vasir, does that mean we're forced to fight T'soni?

Not fight her but she might leave. Like Alistair in Dragon Age

[themikefest]

Not fight her but she might leave. Like Alistair in Dragon Age

Maybe.

 

I would give her whatever information the broker has about the Protheans and let her dig up anything that would be useful

 

Once Shepard picks her up from Mars, she is sent to Hackett and Vasir becomes a squadmate.

[Gwydden]

Exactly what experience with sci-fi do you have? What is the foundation for your opinion? Blade runner? Alien(s)? 12 monkeys?  2001? Edge of Tomorrow?

 

Apparently you have not seen Aliens, which means you have something to do this weekend

 

Do not misunderstand, I am not trying to be condescending but that is (one of) the best sci-fi movies ever made. You do not have to take my word for it, ask around. I am recommending it, wholeheartedly! If you can, get the director's cut, you will not regret it.

I haven't watched any of those, actually. I have heard plenty of the movie, and the character. I've seen her at the top of a couple of top tens, which has enticed cautionary dislike, as per usual.

 

The point remains, there's nothing at all noteworthy about her outfit.

 

But the problem is, they weren't dressed for what tehy were good at.  Jack was a pirate and a criminal sure, but tatoos make poor armor.  Put her in a set of vandalized customized Cerberus armor, with the logos scratched off and such, and that would make sense.  Put Miranda in light armor like in the Alternate Appearance Pack.  Zip up Samara's outfit, and these all make sense.  Miranda in a spandex outfit that looks at least a size too small for her, however, doesn't make sense.

Can I let you in on a secret?

 

I don't like armor. Not in fantasy nor in sci-fi. I loathe Shepard's N7 armor. Characters lose distinctiveness once they disappear inside that oversized suit.

 

And yes, it does make perfect sense. More so than them wearing armor. Again, armor a) is uncomfortable, requires training to use, c) doesn't fit every fighting style and d) doesn't fit every job. Jack is a petty, psycho criminal. There's ZERO reason for her to wear armor. Miranda is a covert ops agent and scientist. There's ZERO reason for her to wear armor. Their outfits actually make more sense than what you're proposing.

 

General Petrovsky is one of the smartest characters in ME3, do you believe he would go into battle without protection?

 

Jack is not wearing regular clothing though, as someone pointed out before she looks like a teenage boy's wet dream and being able to "bang" her the first time you talk to her on your ship does not help to remedy this.

If I didn't know better, I'd think ageism is running rampant around these parts xD

 

And is still capable, for the 12 year olds amongst you, for a bit of Massively approved fan service:

Ah, yes!

• As everyone knows, sexuality is exclusive to teenagers.
• As everyone knows, catering to teenagers is courting the devil.
• As everyone knows, insulting people who disagree with you makes things so much easier.

 

I love the personal attack on me. 

 

I'm not denying the practicality of the armor in some contexts, but I am saying it's not necessary in many environments.

Man, armor is so awesome. You just put it on (just like that, it's not like that extra weight will affect your performance or anything, pfff!) and your chances of survival immediatly go up by 58% (disclaimer: 83% of statistics are made up). Everyone should wear it, for absolutely everything: covert ops, petty robbery, science and reconnaissance, fighting in close quarters, fighting a giant worm that spews corrosive acid, for breakfast and for lunch, for taking showers and feeding hamsters.

 

It's just that awesome!

 

If a squaddie doesn't have default attire that has armor or that atleast seems plausible to be wearing knowing you're going into a firefight, then I switch to the alternates. Miranda, Liara, Ashley...if they're in my squad, they're wearing their armor. Jack wears her secondary. I usually never wear Tali's default. Though that's just personal taste pertaining specifically to her. 

This is worth repeating, since some people seem dead set on ignoring it: armor is not as great as you think. There are lots of perfectly legitimate reasons why a character wouldn't wear it.

[Mcfly616]

 Liara was so boring, Asari like Aria and Tela Vasir were what we should have gotten, would have made more sense as well since they have commando training. 

 Liara is my favorite. Mainly because of ME1. While the game wasn't perfect, I still think the ME1 squadmates were the most original.

 

Liara was just a naive Asari scientist thrust into crazy events. Then ME2 came along and completely changed her character. And it wasn't character growth. She's still my favorite, but I would've preferred if they kept some of her innocent/insecure qualities. Instead she's a totally different characters. Sultry and cold blooded. Two years doesn't change an individual that much. 

 

 

Either way, I can revisit her whenever I want. But I'm ready for a different type of Asari squadmate.

[Gwydden]

 Liara is my favorite. Mainly because of ME1. While the game wasn't perfect, I still think the ME1 squadmates were the most original.

 

Liara was just a naive Asari scientist thrust into crazy events. Then ME2 came along and completely changed her character. And it wasn't character growth. She's still my favorite, but I would've preferred if they kept some of her innocent/insecure qualities. Instead she's a totally different characters. Sultry and cold blooded. Two years doesn't change an individual that much. 

 

 

Either way, I can revisit her whenever I want. But I'm ready for a different type of Asari squadmate.

Funny. I thought ME1 had by far the blandest, most two-dimensional and forgettable cast. I barely even bothered to register Garrus and Tali's existence until ME2, and Liara's until ME3 xD

[Mcfly616]

This is worth repeating, since some people seem dead set on ignoring it: armor is not as great as you think. There are lots of perfectly legitimate reasons why a character wouldn't wear it.

 We're ignoring you because armor > fabric

 

 

You can agree to disagree. 

[Mcfly616]

Funny. I thought ME1 had by far the blandest, most two-dimensional and forgettable cast. I barely even bothered to register Garrus and Tali's existence until ME2, and Liara's until ME3 xD

Yeah it is funny. I thought ME2 had the most shallow cast of the bunch. Bioware spread themselves too thin with 12 squaddies and ultimately ended up giving each squadmate the same mommy/daddy issues/revenge-lust backgrounds. Tali and Garrus left their original character traits behind as well. 

[Gwydden]

 We're ignoring you because armor > fabric

 

 

You can agree to disagree. 

Armor is tougher than fabric.

 

It's also heavier and more uncomfortable. And in a lot of situations, the fact that it's tougher is completely irrelevant.

 

A single shot from a shotgun is more likely to tear an enemy to pieces than one from an assault rifle. Should all characters drop their weapons for shotguns?

[Gwydden]

Yeah it is funny. I thought ME2 had the most shallow cast of the bunch. Bioware spread themselves too thin with 12 squaddies and ultimately ended up giving each squadmate the same mommy/daddy issues/revenge-lust backgrounds. Tali and Garrus left their original character traits behind as well. 

Tali had character traits? 

 

I agree they went way overboard with the number of squadmates in ME2. But they all had a good enough hook that I actually wanted to know more about them, while in ME1 I was like "do I really feel like attending a lecture on quarian culture or spending some time with the yes man?"

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The only time them not wearing actual armor really bugged me if when we went into space or areas with high or low pressure. We know biotic barriers or shields can't stop you from imploding,exploding, freezing, cooking, etc since the Volus still have to wear full suits and yet our companions are able to handle it perfectly fine. 

[Gwydden]

The only time them not wearing actual armor really bugged me if when we went into space or areas with high or low pressure. We know biotic barriers or shields can't stop you from imploding,exploding, freezing, cooking, etc since the Volus still have to wear full suits and yet our companions are able to handle it perfectly fine. 

That's silly, but I'm pretty sure that's just they didn't feel like making an extra outfit for those areas only. It wouldn't have been better if they made a hard armor the default, though. It still irks me to walk around the Citadel or Illium in ME2.

[Sirzechs_Krios]

I don't get why we had to get rid of the original Broker in the first place. Take Vasir's help and throw Liara under the bus. Gain another useful ally that's intact with several very valuable resources and operatives. Hell, try to even get an alliance between the Broker and Cerberus, even though the Broker wants to destroy Cerberus for his own ends.

original broker was dealing with the reaper he deserved to die, it should have been possible to convince Vasir to join Shepard by using how the broker was dealing with Feron.

[Mcfly616]

Tali had character traits? 

 

I agree they went way overboard with the number of squadmates in ME2. But they all had a good enough hook that I actually wanted to know more about them, while in ME1 I was like "do I really feel like attending a lecture on quarian culture or spending some time with the yes man?"

 It's called character/world building. Some people aren't into it. I'd prefer a diverse cast of characters rather than  X-Men in Space with all similar stories.

[Mcfly616]

 

 

A single shot from a shotgun is more likely to tear an enemy to pieces than one from an assault rifle. Should all characters drop their weapons for shotguns?

 Poor analogy. Weapons are situational. Like range and opposition. 

 

 

However, would you rather take a shot to the face with an armored helmet on or with a ski mask on? I know what I'm going with...

[God]

 Poor analogy. Weapons are situational. Like range and opposition. 

 

 

However, would you rather take a shot to the face with an armored helmet on or with a ski mask on? I know what I'm going with...

 

Neither. I'm going to basically be blown away or disfigured by both.

 

You can have the helmet if you think it helps or makes you feel better.

 

I'll stick with the shields and biotic barriers to absorb the blast long enough for me to do the same to the aggressor.

[God]

original broker was dealing with the reaper he deserved to die, it should have been possible to convince Vasir to join Shepard by using how the broker was dealing with Feron.

 

When was he dealing with the Reapers? You mean the Collectors?

 

I don't care. He was doing it more for his own survival than anything else. If I convinced him that he'd be better off with us, he'd be a powerful ally.

 

I don't care about how the Broker was dealing with Feron. He was a drell that pissed off the Broker and paid the price for it. Not surprising in the least.

[God]

Yeah, the ME1 bunch of characters really was quite bland in comparison to ME2. 

 

Character development and basic characterization didn't really come into its own until ME2 anyway. Only Ashley and Wrex really had real personality in ME1, and I hated Ashley's almost from the get go.

 

ME2, through the loyalty system, let you explore characters and gain a background on them and who they were. It was where Garrus and Tali got their real characterization as well.

[Sirzechs_Krios]

Yeah, the ME1 bunch of characters really was quite bland in comparison to ME2. 

 

Character development and basic characterization didn't really come into its own until ME2 anyway. Only Ashley and Wrex really had real personality in ME1, and I hated Ashley's almost from the get go.

 

ME2, through the loyalty system, let you explore characters and gain a background on them and who they were. It was where Garrus and Tali got their real characterization as well.

Exactly, 

Kaiden was whiny and boring

Ashley was racist.

Liara was clingy and insecure

I remember nothing about Tali, other than her getting called a suit rat hardly used her then.

 

The only character I didn't like in ME2 was Jacob as he was Mary sue that wanted to be accepted by Shepard, say what you want about the recurring daddy issues in ME2 but all of the characters were more interesting than the ones in ME1

[themikefest]

The worst part about the ME1 characters is all of them made no effort to find a way to stop the reapers. They turned their backs on Shepard and the galaxy. 

[God]

I'm a bit more optimistic with how I describe the characters, but suffice to say, I concur with the point (if not entirely agreeing with your assessment).

[God]

The worst part about the ME1 characters is all of them made no effort to find a way to stop the reapers. They turned their backs on Shepard and the galaxy. 

 

Eh, Liara got obsessed with revenge against a guy who never really did anything to her, Garrus apparently lost all hope and went on to become a vigilante, Tali went back to the Quarians for the very real issue of trying to solve the problems there, Wrex went to make a better future for the Krogans.

 

Really, only the VS can be considered (IMO) of having turned their back on Shepard. Much as I'm rather ambivalent about Garrus and disliking of Tali, they did rejoin and help you after all. Plus Liara never technically gives up on the Reapers while Wrex wants to build the Krogan into a force capable of surviving them.

[themikefest]

Eh, Liara got obsessed with revenge against a guy who never really did anything to her, Garrus apparently lost all hope and went on to become a vigilante, Tali went back to the Quarians for the very real issue of trying to solve the problems there, Wrex went to make a better future for the Krogans.

 

Really, only the VS can be considered (IMO) of having turned their back on Shepard. Much as I'm rather ambivalent about Garrus and disliking of Tali, they did rejoin and help you after all. Plus Liara never technically gives up on the Reapers while Wrex wants to build the Krogan into a force capable of surviving them.

They all gave up for the 2 years. How hard would it of been for Anderson or even Hackett to give Joker a shuttle to fly Liara along with Garrus and Ashley/Kaidan around to Ilos, Mars and Eden Prime to find more Prothean artifacts that might help stop the reapers? Heck everyone knew about the Mars archives. Its only after Shepard comes back they start showing an interest in dealing with the reapers, but the collectors had to be dealt with first.

[God]

True. Most of them likely figured that with the one voice truly pushing the agenda now gone, there was no point in continuing the fight.

 

Joker decided to fly for Cerberus and do something.

 

Garrus figured he'd do what he was best at, Liara sorta did the same thing as Joker, only she let revenge get in the way of judgement. Tali had other priorities that were relatively important, and she did seem to convince the Quarians of the Reaper threat. Wrex, a nihilist at heart (at least at the time) figured that he'd go and make the Krogan strong again.

 

As I said though, the only characters I feel that truly abandoned the cause were the VS (specifically Ashley). 

[Mcfly616]

 

I'll stick with the shields and biotic barriers to absorb the blast long enough for me to do the same to the aggressor.

 Use common sense, guy. We all know everybody has shields or barriers. What are you gonna do when they're gone? Granted, it's never good when they're gone...but if you're going to imply fabric is more protective than armor, you're about as believable as the bible.

[goishen]

 Liara is my favorite. Mainly because of ME1. While the game wasn't perfect, I still think the ME1 squadmates were the most original.

 

Liara was just a naive Asari scientist thrust into crazy events. Then ME2 came along and completely changed her character. And it wasn't character growth. She's still my favorite, but I would've preferred if they kept some of her innocent/insecure qualities. Instead she's a totally different characters. Sultry and cold blooded. Two years doesn't change an individual that much. 

 

 

Either way, I can revisit her whenever I want. But I'm ready for a different type of Asari squadmate.

 

 

True, but have a good friend die on you, and that can change you in some pretty unexpected ways.

 

As for me on ME2 thing, I'd much rather have a wide cast of characters.  Because if one is boring then I can still have other options.  Or rather, ones that I really hate.  *cough*Vivienne*cough*