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[Ajensis]

It seems my wording was a bit unfortunate in my last post... Blame it on being past my bedtime.

 

Except the speculative fiction that takes place that clearly isn't. Namely, most of it.

 

Things like mass effect fields and the genophage are all based on our existing understanding of physics, biology, etc. That's all I was saying.

 

There are quite a few. One example from each game - Thorian, Lazarus Project, Synthesis.

 

True, there are some examples where Bioware spent less time explaining the science behind it. They happen to be some of my least favourite parts of Mass Effect too.

 

I'm wondering if this warrants a serious reply, I'll just go with Shepard getting spaced, Mass relays, Space magic, blue babes, etc etc etc.

 

See above. My post was a reply to you saying "failing to understand fiction and non fiction are two different things and not bound to the same rules is not acting like adults." What I was getting at is that nothing (or at least very little) in the Mass Effect universe is just created without regard to how our own universe works. You seemed to imply that anything goes because this is a fictional universe, but that's simply not true.

[Hans Olo]

Look at it this was does a Mage wear Heavy armor? no because offensive power is their strong point, and they have their special abilities to defend them, Rogues don't entire because they rely on speed and mobility not defense, regular humans need armor because thats the thing the need to defend them.

 

Actually D&D lore says that with leather+ a mage can not cast spells and with mail+ a thief can not hide in shadows.

 

Just as it is pretty much established that the "casters" in ME wear light armour, the "inbetweens" wear medium and the "heavies" wear heavy armour. You can call Jack's armour light if you want. But I have never seen light armour being a synonym for "skin".

 

So people want to neuter Mass Effect? Why? Because you can't handle boobs and muscley men?

 

Thanks for reading the entire thread.

[Hans Olo]

That's pretty much  why adults can't enjoy anything, a child can enjoy something because they can tell the difference between real life and fiction, knowing that its fake but still enjoyable, adults can't, they need be convince that this could happen in real life ( see Intersellar asinine complaints), instead of just enjoying it for what it is a good piece of fiction.

 

They should not have made Interstellar as if built on science then. Or be half science and half ??? But that is a discussion for another day.

 

I (we?) can enjoy things that are fake, I loved fable, I loved baldurs gate, it is my favourite game! The point here is that there is no consistency. The only consistency we see is that the ladies are sexy and the guys are yummy (and you can twist yourself in aesthetic or artistic freedom knots all you want but that will not change it).

 

Which in itself is still fine, but there are ways to achieve sexy and yummy without being an ass (Miranda's ass, in my face).

[von uber]

Ah, yes!

• As everyone knows, sexuality is exclusive to teenagers.
• As everyone knows, catering to teenagers is courting the devil.
• As everyone knows, insulting people who disagree with you makes things so much easier.

Gratuitous arse shots are not 'sexuality'. It's leering objectification designed to titillate. Straight from the Michael Bay school of direction.
This game is supposed to be for 17+, not teenagers (yes 17 - 19 are still teenagers but you would hope they have grown up a bit by then).
And it wasn't an insult - more reference to massively's liking of miranda.

[Hans Olo]

I haven't watched any of those, actually. I have heard plenty of the movie, and the character. I've seen her at the top of a couple of top tens, which has enticed cautionary dislike, as per usual.

 

If I didn't know better, I'd think ageism is running rampant around these parts xD

 

This is worth repeating, since some people seem dead set on ignoring it: armor is not as great as you think. There are lots of perfectly legitimate reasons why a character wouldn't wear it.

 

1- Suit yourself, you are missing out. It is not all hype with all movies you know.

 

2- How did you get ageism from what?

 

3- Suicidal tendencies? Which actually makes sort of sense with Jack were it not for the fact that she is bent on revenge.

 

Armor is tougher than fabric.

 

It's also heavier and more uncomfortable. And in a lot of situations, the fact that it's tougher is completely irrelevant.

 

A single shot from a shotgun is more likely to tear an enemy to pieces than one from an assault rifle. Should all characters drop their weapons for shotguns?

 

Rifles have range, shotguns have spread and short range. It depends on where you are with regards to them, far away I would go for sniper rifle or assault rifle.

 

That's silly, but I'm pretty sure that's just they didn't feel like making an extra outfit for those areas only. It wouldn't have been better if they made a hard armor the default, though. It still irks me to walk around the Citadel or Illium in ME2.

 

That is kind of like NASA telling Neil Armstrong and Buzz Lightyear that they won't need a special suit to walk on the moon seeing as they are only gonna be outside the lunar lander for a very short while, with the mission taking place in the other vehicles for most of the mission.

[Vazgen]

Can you destroy them without your allies firing a shot?

I definitely agree that there's more customization, power-wise, in ME3. But I could play ME2 just fine when I ran out of sniper ammo (only happens before I get the Viper. the Viper).

Easily. I can solo Geth Super Elites in Armax Arena with all modifiers and not shooting a single shot with my current build.
I also finished the whole game with only about 4-5 shots from Predator to destroy latches (bottom link in my signature) and squadmate weapon damage was mediocre at best.

You switch to other weapons when you run out. Locust can work wonders in ME2 The thing is that you have to shoot if you don't want to spend ages on some combat encounters (without using squadmates).

[Gwydden]

Gratuitous arse shots are not 'sexuality'. It's leering objectification designed to titillate. Straight from the Michael Bay school of direction.
This game is supposed to be for 17+, not teenagers (yes 17 - 19 are still teenagers but you would hope they have grown up a bit by then).
And it wasn't an insult - more reference to massively's liking of miranda.

That's what sexuality is? Objectification and titillation are par for the course. Also, we were talking about her outfit, not the ass shots.

And what is "growing up" in your book, exactly? Because I'm pretty sure our biological prime directive to have sex survives long after adolescence.

AND implying that if you like X you must be Y can be quite insulting, actually.

[Gwydden]

1- Suit yourself, you are missing out. It is not all hype with all movies you know.

2- How did you get ageism from what?

3- Suicidal tendencies? Which actually makes sort of sense with Jack were it not for the fact that she is bent on revenge.

Oh, I didn't say anything about the movie, just the character. Characters with a lot of hype are usually the ones I end up disliking.

The ageism thing was a joke. But it is kind of funny how often the terms "teenager" and "adolescence" are used in a derogatory manner.

And I've given plenty of reasons why someone wouldn't need armor. No one seems to have made any effort to address them.

[Sirzechs_Krios]

They should not have made Interstellar as if built on science then. Or be half science and half ??? But that is a discussion for another day.

 

No Intersellar is exactly what it should be Science fiction, just like 2001 : Space Odyssey. 

[SNascimento]

No Intersellar is exactly what it should be Science fiction, just like 2001 : Space Odyssey. 

No, science fiction shouldn't be restricted by one type of approach. 

[God]

 Really? Yes, you are implicating. You're suggesting there will be a rock or wall to hide behind at all times. You're implying shields and barriers should be your last defense. What are you gonna do when they're depleted due to repeated hits? Now you're standing there in the open. You gonna take your chances with armor or fabric?

 

It's a simple question. One you keep dodging and simply continue to inject other scenarios into, like "I would take cover behind a wall or rock". Well no ****. But if you're caught in a situation where there is no cover and you have no barriers, you're s.o.l. with something as good as tissue paper wrapping your body. Atleast armor gives you a chance. 

 

 

Nobody said anybody should he draped in armor from head to toe. Mobility is important, but that doesn't mean they should be running around in spandex either. Nobody here thinks armor is "catch-all safeguard". It's just more plausible than the alternative. That last line of defense against an otherwise guaranteed kill shot.

 

No, you're making words up for me and then dropping them on me. And yes, I am suggesting that there will usually be something to hide behind in each fight. If there's not, you picked a really shitty environment to fight in. And yes, there are only a few very specific environments that are wide open with no physical barriers of any sort. In those cases, if I had to fight there (which I usually will avoid at all costs), then armor isn't going to do me much good anyways. I'd wear it, yeah, for all the one shots I'd be able to take before I got knocked down hard. You're stacking the deck by stating that most combat environments are very open and spacious. No commander in their right mind picks a combat zone without OAKOC in mind.

 

Now you're saying that I said anything about head to toe armor. I didn't say that either. And you're also calling Miranda's uniform spandex. As I've stated, it's likely much more than that. Now, I can't make an objective claim that it is a soft fabric interwoven with an ultra-dense weave that functions the same as light armor for brief period, but neither can you by calling it spandex. For all we know, it might even be a material we know nothing about. As well, you're inventing a very specific scenario and calling it the majority of engagements. For someone like Miranda and the operations she would typically face, armor is redundant. She's going to operating in a mid-close-in combat environment with lots of cover, and shields and barriers able to catch what the cover might miss. It's a trade-off that she'd be going without armor for increased ergonomics of movement, one that would suit her. 

 

Now, if this were some big WWI Hollywood style zerg rush combat over open terrain that all civilians seem to think is the norm for warfare, then yeah, she'd need armor. But the issue is irrelevant since there are virtually no modern environments where cover doesn't take some form of precedence.

[SNascimento]

Yeah...

 

Where the f*ck is the head protection?

I understand that it's a movie, but come on.

It's a distraction against mimics. 

[SNascimento]

No, you're making words up for me and then dropping them on me.

Well God, aren't you used to that by now?

[Sirzechs_Krios]

No, science fiction shouldn't be restricted by one type of approach. 

Never said it should, I was just comparing it to a older scifi movie that took that approach, with the way people nitpick things now a days classic movie like those would have been destroyed now.

[AngelOfOutlaws]

I'm tend to let most of the "OMG SEXISM" grievances about video games slide, because those "gaming feminists" like Anita Sarkeesian (ugh) will make something out of nothing. However, that means when I do find something that annoys me, it has to be something pretty bad.

 

Samara's outfit...for the love of God. She's a 600 year old super warrior, fighting the worst of the worst Asari. And she was a giant ****** hole. Yes, I'm sure there is no need for you to protect your heart. 

 

I had no problem with EDI because she was playing into a very old and popular trope. 

 

I loved Ashley in ME1, in ME3, I shuddered. My playthrough had Kaidan, thankfully, but I have seen videos with her. She looks like a New Jersey porn star. You can do sexy and logical (Liara, Kelly Chambers, Samantha Traynor. Aria for goodness sake!)    

 

Yeah, Aria is the perfect example of sexy done right. 

[Hans Olo]

Yeah, Aria is the perfect example of sexy done right. 

 

Agreed, I did not like her attitude though, but what can one expect from a centuries old criminal badass biotic boss?

[Iakus]

 

 

I loved Ashley in ME1, in ME3, I shuddered. My playthrough had Kaidan, thankfully, but I have seen videos with her. She looks like a New Jersey porn star. You can do sexy and logical (Liara, Kelly Chambers, Samantha Traynor. Aria for goodness sake!)    

 

 

Ash in a real Alliance uniform would have looked amazing.  Why couldn't I requisition her a real uniform?

[Mcfly616]

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 Half of your post was you hypothesizing about how the material of Miranda's attire "could be" this or that. But we both know what it looks like. And that's the point (the aesthetic). It looks like a skintight jumpsuit, as tight as spandex. And it looks ridiculous. You keep saying that it makes sense for the type of operations she'll be going on. I guess you missed that bit where she's following Shepard all over the galaxy into battle. Mid-range combat eh? So by your standards, Cat Woman would be fit for that. I never said that you said we should be in head to toe armor. I simply said I never said we should. I acknowledged mobility is important, but that some armor is more practical than what Miranda wears.

 

 

Secondly, I didn't stack any deck. I never stated anywhere in this thread that "most combat situations were in open areas". You're the one putting words in peoples mouths. Who said you get to choose where you fight? Do you see the future? The point is, being prepared for any situation, whether it be going into a CQC situation or trekking across the open landscape.

[Mcfly616]

 "gaming feminists" like Anita Sarkeesian (ugh) will make something out of nothing. 

 

 That ****** is crazy. A real feminazi. I never jumped into the gamergate conversations. But anytime I see a site putting up an article of her, I just stay away. She has a way of stirring the pot in order to try and prove her point.

[God]

your entire post was you hypothesizing about how Miranda's "could be" this or that. But we both know what it looks like. And that's the point. It looks like a skintight jumpsuit, as tight as spandex. And it looks ridiculous. You keep saying that it makes sense for the type of operations she'll be going on. I guess you missed that bit where she's following Shepard all over the galaxy into battle. 

 

 

Secondly, I didn't stack any deck. I never stated anywhere in this thread that "most combat situations were in open areas". You're the one putting words in peoples mouths. Who said you get to choose where you fight? Do you see the future? The point is, being prepared for any situation, whether it be going into a CQC situation or trekking across the open landscape.

 

Well, mocking a post and dismissing it isn't beating it. And yes, Shepard is going across the galaxy, doing the kinds of operations that she's fit to do. A three person fire team (or the whole 12 person squad at full strength) isn't going into a battlefield. Now you're trying to tell me how I think as well. And I don't think it makes a valid premise for an argument, drawing a false conclusion based on your own appeal to ignorance.

 

And now you're trying to blame me for your statement: You're implying that there won't be an area of cover that won't work, and implying that it is the rule. You're making a very specific scenario and using it as singular justification to your point without drawing any kind of abductive conclusion (making connections that fit each other and the premise). And now, you're showing ignorance to military preparatory situation. That can be forgiven; for me, it can't be. Quite frankly, yes, I do get to choose where and when to fight. It's my job. I take all kinds of terrain models and geography into account when I'm planning an operation. It's something every military commander does. If I'm going to have to traverse a wide, open area, I don't want armor, I want armor (as in, a tank or APV) that has speed and power to get me across quickly and has survivability. That said, traversing an open area on foot is akin to tactical suicide unless you well and truly have no other option. Which, in the case of the game, you do. 

 

As well, modularity is the key to being prepared for any situation, not packing everything you don't need. The old adage 'better to have it and not need it, rather than need it and not have it' falls under Murphy's Law real quick. Because if you're carrying that much excess baggage around with you at all times, you're gonna wear yourself out and reduce your own combat effectiveness. As I said, you're not trained to take things like this into consideration. So your ignorance is understandable. I'd wager Shepard took the necessary preparations for preparing and studying the battlefield prior to insertion, and made sure that everyone was acceptably ready for the mission parameters.

[Mcfly616]

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yes, I dismissed it because you don't even know what her jumpsuit is made of, and then proceed to say it's appropriate for the situation (rendering your point moot). And once again you put words in my mouth (what else is new). I never said that there won't be any cover and that it was the rule. I literally implyed that there won't always be cover. You take that and run with it and say that I said there will "never" be cover. Nice try though. (I'm trying to tell you how you think? Wtf? Please point out when that happened)

 

 

And I couldn't care less about your combat experience or what 'you' do. Guess what: we don't get to plan our approach and map out our entire battle plan in Mass Effect. Shepard and co are constantly thrust into combat scenarios and forced to improvise. In which case, as I said many times before, I'd like to be prepared for.

 

You'd "wager Shepard took the necessary preparations", once again you are basing your logic on your own imagination. Moot.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Can I just say how much I love it when people use words like "slut" or "slutty" as derogatory terms?

 

By which I mean I really don't.

[Sirzechs_Krios]

 Half of your post was you hypothesizing about how the material of Miranda's attire "could be" this or that. But we both know what it looks like. And that's the point (the aesthetic). It looks like a skintight jumpsuit, as tight as spandex. And it looks ridiculous. 

So because it looks like a jumpsuit it must be a jumpsuit? nice logic , also in a universe were things like Heavy Skin Weave exist, you know that Synthetic fibers are woven through the skin to reduce damage, Miranda's uniform can't be used to protect her?

[Mcfly616]

So because it looks like a jumpsuit it must be a jumpsuit? 

 You continuously overlook the point and context of the entire thread. I.e. it "looks" ridiculous. 

 

 

I guess you just can't grasp it.

[SNascimento]

The only thing that looks off in Miranda costume is her... backside. Other than that the costume is very good for a urban environments.