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[Han Shot First]

The consort, matriarch Benezia.

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I agree with you about Benezia, but not the Consort. The Consort is a courtesan. She should come across as sexual, because she's a prostitute. 

[Display Name Owner]

Ashley didn't get a boob job, it was a growth spurt brought on by hormonal changes induced by exposure to traces of Element Zero. At least I assume so, since every female in the galaxy who went near a starship experienced it.

 

Seriously, there's nothing wrong with some female characters being more curvy than others, in fact I'd say the variation would be a nice touch. And you know what? I am not above enjoying a touch of sexualisation (but do not get me started on EDI's body). But I actually did find the female character models in ME1 pretty attractive and it sort of bothered me how certain characters... ballooned. Another thing is I definitely think Femshep could have stood to be a bit more athletic looking in 3. She's got some twiggy arms and of course there's nothing wrong with a pear shaped figure (in fact I love 'em. PM me ladies (That was a joke(but you can if you want))) but Femshep did look kind of doughy for a highly trained spec ops elite.

 

Oddly enough I quite liked seeing Ashley let her hair down, although it would have been nice if she put it back in the bun on missions. Long hair and plated armour just seems like a recipe for disaster.

 

On the flipside, as a male I personally didn't take any issue with the male character models. Maybe because I wasn't looking at them as hard... But no, I'd expect all the soldier characters to have some mass to them. The only one that actually stuck out to me was Joker. It's explainable since he has a generic alliance uniform model, but his arms always looked strangely big for a guy in his situation.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Don't watch The Fifth Element.

 

Your brain would explode.

[PrayingMantis]

Well, it is understandable for people from the military to gain more muscles. I'm just bummed that the women don't seem to have changed in that aspect. Jack seemed to be pretty fit and strong, but her arms still looked like chopsticks. Or what about Ashley? I don't expect them to look like freaking Vega, but what about something like this

 

 

Wearing heavy armor and carrying heavy guns will change your body a bit after a few years, won't it? Giving some of the women more muscles won't make them look butch, for god's sake (if that's what the designers were scared about, which is stupid).

 

And Vega looked pretty ok to me. He just had a different body type than the others from the male cast. People who use medication to gain such muscles will have more.. "Refined" muscles and they will probably look thinner too. Bodybuilders focus on the aesthetic aspect of their muscles, not their strength.

Vega looks pretty strong, but his body his doesn't really strike me as exaggerated.

 

They did mention the female chartacters will look less "promiscuous" this time. Let's just hope there won't be squad mates running around in cat suits or in Samara's freaking latex uniform. Her uniform and that strange "boob camera angle" is still giving me nightmares. 

 

[SNascimento]

Anyone who posts a picture of Rita Vrataski automatically is right. 

[SNascimento]

Anyway, this trend of sexualization does exist and reached its lowest point with Diana Allers in ME3. That saddened me deeply. But it's something that although grew bigger with each installment was with the series from the day 1. I mean, the Asari is a pure fan service race. 

[Sirzechs_Krios]

Ashley in a Nutshell (to me she had big lips since the first game btw I didn't wrote this) The Evolution of Ashley Williams

 

In the first Mass Effect, your options for romance were rather limited. I chose Ashley Williams since romance with a psychic blue alien with tentacles for hair didn’t seem all that appealing. But Ashley was BORING. Her character design was bland, with molded white armor, and her hair put up in a bun, and no distinguishing features. Her personality was just as bad. She came from a military family that was on a perceived **** list for something on of her ancestors did in the First Contact War many decades ago. As such, she was kind of a racist (against aliens). That was about it. She quoted Tennyson poetry.

Quoted. Poetry. Quoting poetry is what writers do for characters they know are uninteresting and shallow when they want to make them look deep. Its character writing hand waving. “ooo…you read poetry? That automatically makes you so much deeper and mysterious.” Gag.

Ashley Williams, Mass Effect 1

Fast forward to Mass Effect 2, you meet Ashley long enough for her to rage against you for working with the only, albeit shady, organization that took your apocalyptic warnings seriously, then she unceremoniously cut all ties. Her actions free you from any feelings of guilt from pursuing a new character (Miranda in my case, because come on, Yvonne Strahovski).

 

 

In Mass Effect 3, Ashley returns, vastly improved. Her character model has been redone, she wears her hair down, giving her face some personality. Her armor has been redone in blue with a better combat aesthetic. She’s made Lt. Commander in the interim and in doing so moved beyond her fixation on her family’s poor treatment in the military. In fact, she’s in consideration for Spectre status, only the second human to ever do so, after the main character. Time is spent during the first half of the game hashing out the their respective hang-ups. In fact, it was the only time I can remember choosing an answer that was clearly “renegade” was one of those conversations. She accused me of wrongdoing by moving on to the next girl, and I angrily reminded her that she abruptly cut ties from me first. It was an honest emotional conversation between former lovers.

Mass Effect 3 Character Design

In a tense scene during an attempted coup you’re trying to thwart, she’s forced to confront her conflicting feelings for Shepard, she trusted him throughout the first adventure, but doubt lingers that he’s been influenced by the organization in the second game, or worse, that he’s still working for them. Genuine, understandable personal conflict.

The relationship turned on one pointed comment she made; “I’m a real person, Shepard, flaws and all. I wear body armor into battle, not a swimsuit,” The writers were poking fun at themselves for Miranda’s skintight wetsuit character design. But it made sense when thinking about it, Miranda was genetically engineered to be the way she was, and very clearly manipulated people using these “perfect genes.” In that one statement, Ashley showed insecurity when she compared herself to Miranda, and also mocked Shepard for pursuing someone so clearly fake – engineered to be perfect. Ashley’s character had transformed from bland to flawed, but heartfelt.

Of course Bioware has to turn around and ruin the credit they had earned by having one of Ashley’s alternate outfits in combat being a miniskirt and thigh high boots. /facepalm.

[Iakus]

'If you think that outfit is too skimpy let me warn you about a very scary place... the beach!'

 

-- Bill Maher

 

Not everyone is so terrified of sexuality as you Hans Olo. Deal with it or stop playing games that show a cleavage or two...

There's a lot of gunfire on the beaches you visit?

[Yulia]

I see nothing wrong with Mass Effect's characters IMO. Asari use their bodies anyways to give them that advantage against others so it should be no surprise they try to look sexy and talk seductively. Ash does look like she got a makeover but still I'm not bothered by it, people change their looks in real life too haha. Also I strongly disapprove of the word "slutty". It's especially sad when mentioned in video games to me. It's a video game people! no one's forcing you to paly it so if you dislike how the characters are portrayed in BioWare's own game well the exit is over there *points at the door* 

[InterrogationBear]

In Mass Effect 3, Ashley returns, vastly improved. Her character model has been redone, she wears her hair down, giving her face some personality. Her armor has been redone in blue with a better combat aesthetic. She’s made Lt. Commander in the interim and in doing so moved beyond her fixation on her family’s poor treatment in the military. 

Which is BS since she is an NCO in ME1. A field promotion would make her 2nd Lieutenant at best.

 

I agree that they had to update her character model for ME3. However, her new appearance looks unprofessional. She doesn't wear a regular Alliance uniform and her hairstyle violates the military dress code.

[Treacherous J Slither]

I would like to have at least 2 outfits for each female character:

 

1) Cool looking armor

 

2) Sexy catsuit

[Iakus]

 

In Mass Effect 3, Ashley returns, vastly improved. Her character model has been redone, she wears her hair down, giving her face some personality. Her armor has been redone in blue with a better combat aesthetic. She’s made Lt. Commander in the interim and in doing so moved beyond her fixation on her family’s poor treatment in the military. In fact, she’s in consideration for Spectre status, only the second human to ever do so, after the main character. Time is spent during the first half of the game hashing out the their respective hang-ups. In fact, it was the only time I can remember choosing an answer that was clearly “renegade” was one of those conversations. She accused me of wrongdoing by moving on to the next girl, and I angrily reminded her that she abruptly cut ties from me first. It was an honest emotional conversation between former lovers.

 

The only part of this I agree with is the new blue armor looks better than the old Phoenix armor.  And that was an alternate armor.  Her standard look is that blue tin foil miniskirt and thigh-high boots.  To this day I believe the blue armor was done in a rush after the initial outcry of her character's look.

 

In addition her formerly fiery personality is greatly muted and her metoric rise in rank was laughable.  And this is coming from someone who will defend Ashley from almost any criticism.

[Hans Olo]

If you're gonna make the argument that in the future anything is possible so nothing can be described as unrealistic you can't say that this or that dresscode would still be absurd. That's just contradictory.

 

For example: Samara doesn't wear armour because she's got biotic fields for protection so she won't wear heavy armour that would hinder her movement and she's showing her boobs a bit because amongst the asari large matriarch breasts are a symbol of age and the wisdom and experience that come with them.

 

See? I made up an explanation. Piece of cake if in the future and in alien cultures anything is possible.

 

My point stands. It's called Mass Effect and not Future Warfare Simulator. And I still do think you have a problem with sexuality. The subjective and derogatory judgement 'slutty' in your title proves that.

 

1- you believe soldiers will not want their skin protected from bullets or fire or shrapnel? do you also believe your future firemen will run into buildings wearing nothing but boxer shorts and their hose? pun intended.

 

2- by that logic Ashley should be clad in heavy armor and clearly she is not. and to reiterate: tight leather does not a comfortable and nimble suit make.

 

3- see above

 

4- why would I have a problem with sexuality? and what problem do you believe that is exactly? do you believe boobs or "man meat" upset me?

[Yulia]

Armor means nothing in Mass Effect. it's even said in the books that weapon technology surpasses armor technology so armor isn't going to hold up to much against bullets and lasers anyways. Mass Effect relies upon kinetic shields which can only take in so much damage (can't wistand direct fire repeatedly either).

[Iakus]

Armor means nothing in Mass Effect. it's even said in the books that weapon technology surpasses armor technology so armor isn't going to hold up to much against bullets and lasers anyways. Mass Effect relies upon kinetic shields which can only take in so much damage (can't wistand direct fire repeatedly either).

 

Kinetic barriers don't do sh*t against fire, cold, toxins, radiation, slow moving objects like varren and charging krogan, etc. 

 

For that stuff, you need armor.

[dreamgazer]

I'd prefer it if they'd pin Ashley's hair up and make the blue armor her default appearance. Since there's little else that can be done about Allers at this point (she's still entirely optional), I'm fine with everything else.

I'd love it if they'd make Emily Wong an alternate reporter choice, though, saved from the wreckage proving reports of her death were exaggerated.

If not her, then al-Jilani.

[Hans Olo]

I agree with you about Benezia, but not the Consort. The Consort is a courtesan. She should come across as sexual, because she's a prostitute. 

 

Commander Shepard claims that Sha'ira sounds like an oracle, but Nelyna says Sha'ira is merely a woman, "with remarkable compassion and a generous spirit".

 

Ashley didn't get a boob job, it was a growth spurt brought on by hormonal changes induced by exposure to traces of Element Zero. At least I assume so, since every female in the galaxy who went near a starship experienced it.

 

Seriously, there's nothing wrong with some female characters being more curvy than others, in fact I'd say the variation would be a nice touch. And you know what? I am not above enjoying a touch of sexualisation (but do not get me started on EDI's body). But I actually did find the female character models in ME1 pretty attractive and it sort of bothered me how certain characters... ballooned. 

 

Oddly enough I quite liked seeing Ashley let her hair down, although it would have been nice if she put it back in the bun on missions. Long hair and plated armour just seems like a recipe for disaster.

1- clever, I like it

 

2- variety is good, I can only applaud it! I do enjoy sexuality too, but it was overdone. If they want to make the guys and gals sexy why not give the rest of the team a casual outfit? That way if Miranda or Jack or Ash wants to prance around in lingerie or high boots or a tight shirt without a bra they can do so in the comfort of their own home/the ship.

 

3- that is the point though, she went from military style hair for a military woman from a military family, to civilian style hair and make up for a military woman from a military family. It makes no sense.

 

Anyway, this trend of sexualization does exist and reached its lowest point with Diana Allers in ME3. That saddened me deeply. But it's something that although grew bigger with each installment was with the series from the day 1. I mean, the Asari is a pure fan service race. 

 

The asari only have one gender, this gender happened to look feminine and not half bad to look at. We could delve into the reasons why they made it that way but we all know them already.. 

 

Diana Allers? I did not let her on my ship after the first playthrough. She annoyed me and her face somehow looked even worse than all the others combined. So plastic, awful.

 

Ashley in a Nutshell (to me she had big lips since the first game btw I didn't wrote this) The Evolution of Ashley Williams

 

Her character design was bland, with molded white armor, and her hair put up in a bun, and no distinguishing features. Her personality was just as bad. She came from a military family that was on a perceived **** list for something on of her ancestors did in the First Contact War many decades ago. 

 

In Mass Effect 3, Ashley returns, vastly improved. Her character model has been redone, she wears her hair down, giving her face some personality. Her armor has been redone in blue with a better combat aesthetic. 

1- The armour could have done with some improvements back then, you are right. For a military woman it is only logical to have her hair like that. Long hair is not allowed in the military. I believe the restriction for this (if i recall correctly) is having it in a bun so it can not fall into your eyes or get stuck.

 

2- Again, in combat this would prove horrible, tangles, hair stuck in armor or snagged on girders or enemies or guns. The armor was an upgrade but it seemed not to protect the cleavage area for some completely known reason.

 

 

I see nothing wrong with Mass Effect's characters IMO. Asari use their bodies anyways to give them that advantage against others so it should be no surprise they try to look sexy and talk seductively. Ash does look like she got a makeover but still I'm not bothered by it, people change their looks in real life too haha. Also I strongly disapprove of the word "slutty". It's especially sad when mentioned in video games to me. It's a video game people! no one's forcing you to paly it so if you dislike how the characters are portrayed in BioWare's own game well the exit is over there *points at the door* 

 

In combat with guns, fire and schrapnel, people dress like spartans and gladiators?

 

As said before, you find it credible that Ash the career military woman gets a make-over in between colonies being abducted and the possible end of the galaxy as we know it? Good luck convincing other people.

 

If the word slutty caused offense I apologize, I already tried to edit the title but it would not let me.

[Mister J]

Hans Olo.

 

Ashley does not have biotic powers and Samara is not in the military. This however, is the kind of delving into details and nitpicks that is completely useless in a fantasy world like Mass Effect.

 

And to address your point 4: you clearly are far more prudish than I am when referring to some of the ME characters as slutty, and you are being a lot more derogatory and judgemental when referring to people who don't feel the same way as you as hormon driven teenagers. That paints a pretty clear picture to me: you just don't like having boobs and butts and rippled muscles in your games. And that's FINE! That's your taste, everyone has their own. But don't be an arrogant social warrior by proclaiming that everyone who does appreciate the occasional sex appeal is some sex-craving teenager, and don't pretend that it is due to maintaining the level of realism in a game were the most unrealistic things happen all the time, and where the most extraordinary individuals play the main roles.

[dreamgazer]

Yeah, her change in appearance isn't "slutty".

[Hans Olo]

I'd prefer it if they'd pin Ashley's hair up and make the blue armor her default appearance. Since there's little else that can be done about Allers at this point (she's still entirely optional), I'm fine with everything else.

I'd love it if they'd make Emily Wong an alternate reporter choice, though, saved from the wreckage proving reports of her death were exaggerated.

If not her, then al-Jilani.

I believe I punched miss al-Jilani at each encounter we had

 

Emily Wong was great, I really liked her. But that is subjective of course, there are probably people who like Allers or miss al-Jilani.

[Pasquale1234]

My biggest issue with the character's appearances in all 3 games is the persistent, ubiquitous wedgies. None of the characters were able to escape the discomfort and embarrassment of underwear - and outwear - creeping into their cracks. With all their hyperadvanced technology, it seems they still have some pretty basic wardrobe malfunctions to overcome. Should the wedgies follow our heroes into the next installment, I would hope to see an idle animation that depicts them picking their clothing out of their cracks, as it would add a great deal to immersion and realism. Tacky, but no moreso than the wedgies themselves.

Speaking of realism, I'd like to see all of the squadmates wearing actual, protective armor with full helmets in hostile environments. I also think it perfectly appropriate for all of them to wear armor that looks the same (adjusted for race and gender) - they can wear individualized outfits in the safety and comfort of non-hostile environments.

And I'd love to play a female character who looks like she knows the difference between a skullcrusher and a deadlift - and has done plenty of both.

I admit I find it a bit frightening that the developers are looking at doing unique animations for female characters. I really, really hope that the pendulum-spine catwalk strut of DA2 and DAI doesn't find its way into ME.

[Hans Olo]

And to address your point 4: you clearly are far more prudish than I am when referring to some of the ME characters as slutty, and you are being a lot more derogatory and judgemental when referring to people who don't feel the same way as you as hormon driven teenagers. That paints a pretty clear picture to me: you just don't like having boobs and butts and rippled muscles in your games. And that's FINE! That's your taste, everyone has their own. But don't be an arrogant social warrior by proclaiming that everyone who does appreciate the occasional sex appeal is some sex-craving teenager, and don't pretend that it is due to maintaining the level of realism in a game were the most unrealistic things happen all the time, and where the most extraordinary individuals play the main roles.

Not at all, I really enjoy boobs and butts and rippled muscles, I have no problem with that at all, neither in real life or in games.

 

Sex appeal is good and sex sells.. unfortunately for us this means that like pizza hut and their cheese filled crust, EA puts sex in every nook and cranny they can instead of keeping it confined to the bedroom (though I am not opposed to the occasional public endeavour myself).

 

There is a time and a place. But that is not how it is in games nowadays. Don't get me wrong I am not some warrior or feminist gamergater. I have no problem with it like that.

 

What I do have a problem with is the complete overhaul of established characters and the unnecessary sexualization of others. Would Jack have been less interesting in a leather biker Jack-et? (get it? Jacket) Would Miranda have been less interesting with normal clothes instead of tight spandex or whatever it was? Does Samara's power come from her amazing breasts? I am not against these things per se, but I do feel there should be some logic behind it and I see none. 

 

I see gratuitous boobage for the horny masses. Which is fine but keep it where it belongs. If they want to tone it all down and put in a sweet shower scene with all the characters "starship troopers style", I am all for that. And in case you were wondering I would watch/play the shower scene too. Time and place. That is all I ask.

[We'll bang okay]

YMVW?

 

The vacuum masks have bothered me for years too.. it is great they can still breathe but that will not help them much when their eyes are sucked or their other orifices start bleeding/draining them from the inside out.

I thought we had an understanding that they are using some fourm of a biotic barrier

[themikefest]

 

1- The armour could have done with some improvements back then, you are right. For a military woman it is only logical to have her hair like that. Long hair is not allowed in the military. I believe the restriction for this (if i recall correctly) is having it in a bun so it can not fall into your eyes or get stuck.

 

The regulation is to have the hair, regardless of how long, tied in a bun or whatever with no lose strands of hair and to have it not touch the collar

[Yulia]

how does armor stop a Korgan from crushing you dude?!?! lol and no OP i'm not offended but I wouldn't recommend using it cause some can and will be.