So what's the arguments for the robot?
EDI? Well, let's see, her design was pretty blatant and even went so far as to defy the logic behind her purpose. Would a stealth robot not want to be inconspicuous, not look like an existing person (even if she's dead), use that very person's identity, and have a somewhat androgynous body shape for the sake of adopting other identities for future use? Call it overthinking, but that's what I do with things that interest me.
EDI? Well, let's see, her design was pretty blatant and even went so far as to defy the logic behind her purpose. Would a stealth robot not want to be inconspicuous, not look like an existing person (even if she's dead), use that very person's identity, and have a somewhat androgynous body shape for the sake of adopting other identities for future use? Call it overthinking, but that's what I do with things that interest me.
Seem to work fine for Dr Eva.
Started a little earlier than ME2.
Indeed.
Funny to see how people change their arguments when you show info to them.
I prefer to think of Edi like this... Edi took over Dr. Core's body, which at the time was clothed and apparently painted to look human. This got burnt off in the fire of the shuttles and Edi had no reason to cloth or repaint herself.
Samara don't need any of the above since she can produce a Biotic Barrier which can even stop seeker swarms.
Which I may add is powered from her own biotics and prolonged usage without rest will fatigue her and said barrier also protects her from gunfire. So if the barrier is down and she is in a hostile environment or vacuum of space she won't last long.
Seem to work fine for Dr Eva.
Well yeah, because it was written that way. Doesn't make it a good design.
I'd prefer it if they'd pin Ashley's hair up and make the blue armor her default appearance. Since there's little else that can be done about Allers at this point (she's still entirely optional), I'm fine with everything else.
I'd love it if they'd make Emily Wong an alternate reporter choice, though, saved from the wreckage proving reports of her death were exaggerated.
If not her, then al-Jilani.
Ashley's hair never bothered me, because women in the military often do let their hair down when off duty. And if you take her on a mission you can always have her wear armor with a helmet.
But her default uniform was silly. Besides being overly sexualized, it did not resemble any other uniform we've seen anyone in the Alliance wearing. Military organizations are all about uniformity, so that did not make sense at all. Ashley should have been wearing Alliance utilities like Traynor or Cortez while aboard the Normandy, or one of the officer uniforms similar to that ones worn by Shepard, Hackett, or Brooks. (when she is pretending to be Alliance)
To be fair though a similar problem was present with Ashley in ME1. She's running around in Phoenix armor when you first meet her, which is completely different from the armor one by every other Alliance character in the game. It is also white and pink...which seems a poor choice for a color scheme for a Marine. I always head canon that Ashley was off duty and unarmored when the Geth hit Eden Prime, and she just threw on something she looted from dead colonists. I also get her into the Scorpion armor as soon as possible.
Commander Shepard claims that Sha'ira sounds like an oracle, but Nelyna says Sha'ira is merely a woman, "with remarkable compassion and a generous spirit".
An oracle with remarkable compassion and generous spirit that also occasionally has sex with her clients. Sha'ira is basically an Asari version of a Hetaira. The character flaunting her sexuality made sense.
it is fairly obvious concept artists sat down and decided they were going for an aesthetic style where stuff looking good/cool/sexy > stuff looking realistic.
There is nothing wrong with this approach at all, and all it takes to not be bothered by it is suspension of disbelief. I don't question Batman's choice to wear a huge cape even though it's ridiculously impractical because it is obvious the creators weren't trying to be realistic.
which looks more like a soldier who could save the galaxy?
these soldiers
or 
Are you saying realistic means it does not look good/cool/sexy? I AM saying that (certainly in context) she only looks sexy.
Are you saying you can have tough or sexy, but not both? That there should be a compromise?
Slutty?
OP clearly doesn't go out to town much if s/he thinks the outfits in Mass Effect were "slutty". On nights out many girls wear far less than what anyone ever wears during the series.
I already said I would change the wording if I could. But that is ok, I do not mind saying it again.
Not another anti-sexy-gear thread? You already ruined the outfits in Dragon Age Inquisition with that garbage, and now you want to ruin Mass Effect with your androgynous crap as well? Seriously, you're looking at the wrong game. And Bioware should throw whichever neck-tie decided to androgynize the outfits in Dragon Age from the highest balcony on the building.
Anti-sexy-gear? I am opposed to people in warzones parading around in tights and undies, I do not like established characters getting a boobjob, facelift and surprise muscle.
We all know the reason for it, money.
But who said you can not have sexy and badass? Who said you can not have awesome outfits without it being androgynous? And who said this is the wrong game? Is this not Mass Effect?
Badass: 
If Ash and/or Jack had looked like that, I do not believe we would now be having this conversation.
Both look just as likely to save the galaxy to me. Because (again) fiction!which looks more like a soldier who could save the galaxy?
these soldiers
Are you saying realistic means it does not look good/cool/sexy? I AM saying that (certainly in context) she only looks sexy.
Are you saying you can have tough or sexy, but not both? That there should be a compromise?
- I suspect writers have little to do with character design and artists nothing to do with writing the codex. Naturally, it would be great if they could get together and decide once and for all what the hell they're going to do, but that could go either way, don't you think?
which looks more like a soldier who could save the galaxy?
these soldiers
Are you saying realistic means it does not look good/cool/sexy? I AM saying that (certainly in context) she only looks sexy.
Are you saying you can have tough or sexy, but not both? That there should be a compromise?
I'd say the chick.
Everybody knows light infantry can't do ****! 
And the image you say it's "badass"? Don't see it. I find it bland and boring. Both of the above pics are way superior.
Exactly what experience with sci-fi do you have? What is the foundation for your opinion? Blade runner? Alien(s)? 12 monkeys? 2001? Edge of Tomorrow?
Apparently you have not seen Aliens, which means you have something to do this weekend 
Do not misunderstand, I am not trying to be condescending but that is (one of) the best sci-fi movies ever made. You do not have to take my word for it, ask around. I am recommending it, wholeheartedly! If you can, get the director's cut, you will not regret it.
I'd say the chick.
Everybody knows light infantry can't do ****!
Wait, what?
If they are light infantry, what is she supposed to be?
Back in 2011 sexism was trending in games. Now in 2015 the SJW mentality and feminism is trendy, and knowing Bioware they just go with the flow.
Have I given the impression that I am a social justice warrior? Or a feminist? I simply saw something that irked me (and irked many people besides me apparently) and brought it up.
Yes, you can have realistic and cool/sexy/whatever. That requires a compromise because now you have two design goals instead of just one.
That's my whole point. It's just a perfectly legitimate stylistic choice. There's nothing inherently superior about "realism" as a design goal in speculative fiction.
Imo it's also a matter of consistency though. Both in terms of the art style over the series and in terms of the characters in the universe. In art style terms, I agree there's nothing wrong with throwing realism out of the window, but not after the series has already begun with an entirely different approach. I think the realism some people are speaking about is realism within the established MEverse. In ME1 they set the rules for what 'realistic' is, so going against those rules in 2 and 3 is a little jarring.
But it's not like they completely threw them out the window - most characters wear what looks like a functioning suit of armour, which makes the characters that don't wear it stand out sometimes, although that does depend on the situation. For the most part it was okay imo, but there are examples here and there which irk me ever so slightly. Samara's exposed chest, Zaeed's exposed forearm, EDI's everything. It's both the unrealism and oversexualisation. And don't get me wrong, I like sexy. I will admit to oggling Miranda and Tali's figure hugging outfits for an unhealthy amount of time. But while Miranda's costume suits her in general it's not exactly what I'd take to an uncharted battlefield full of alien monsters, at least not in the setting ME laid down, where technology makes sense and people wear armour for practical reasons.
All I'd say, for myself, is that there was a definite trend of style over substance. It wasn't everywhere, but it just wasn't necessary and was a little bit of a shame when ME1 had made me appreciate it's grounded approach to in-universe realism. If people preferred the later games' approach, fair enough I guess, but it's a definite change. ME1 got me immersed in a certain style, so for me anything that goes against that breaks my immersion.
which looks more like a soldier who could save the galaxy?
these soldiers
Are you saying realistic means it does not look good/cool/sexy? I AM saying that (certainly in context) she only looks sexy.
Are you saying you can have tough or sexy, but not both? That there should be a compromise?
How much of Shepard's actually crew are female soldiers? Ashley and.........none of the others need to follow Military protocol.
And yes based on most of the comments doesn't seem like it can be both.
I already said I would change the wording if I could. But that is ok, I do not mind saying it again.
Anti-sexy-gear? I am opposed to people in warzones parading around in tights and undies, I do not like established characters getting a boobjob, facelift and surprise muscle.
We all know the reason for it, money.
But who said you can not have sexy and badass? Who said you can not have awesome outfits without it being androgynous? And who said this is the wrong game? Is this not Mass Effect?
Badass:
If Ash and/or Jack had looked like that, I do not believe we would now be having this conversation.
Yes we wouldn't since both would look androgynous like Ellen Ripley, that basically what you're saying,women shouldn't look like women.
This doesn't necessarily have to be an either/or thing.
You could have a female character (because lets be honest...this discussion is really about female characters) who are wearing armor that looks functional and practical, while still looking cool, or badass, or even sexy.
One important point is that many characters in Mass Effect are NOT soldiers. Jack for example, who has arguably the most unpractical costume of all, is a bandit. Considering who they are, characters in ME are very well dressed, with problens arising only in certain missions when their costume becomes unfit. Bioware made the right decision with the direction they took in ME2. And that gave squadmates much more personality. They should however give at least one set of armor to each character, even if it's an ordinary one.
I personally would like to be able to dress all my squadmates in the same armors, so we look like a uniform squad.
Oh lawdy lawd.
I personally would like to be able to dress all my squadmates in the same armors, so we look like a uniform squad.
I tried this in ME1, it looked so cheesy and stupid. Unique armours >>>>>>>>>>
If Ash and/or Jack had looked like that, I do not believe we would now be having this conversation.
No, people would have been complaining that they looked like dudes. Compare that picture of Ripley to the Emily Blunt gif above.
Emily Blunt gif = Sexy as *bleep* and badass
Ripley picture = Looks like a fricken dude.
Ain't nobody want to have their Femshep to look like Ripley.
Oh lawdy lawd.
I tried this in ME1, it looked so cheesy and stupid. Unique armours >>>>>>>>>>
Jack for example, who has arguably the most unpractical costume of all, is a bandit. Considering who they are, characters in ME are very well dressed, with problens arising only in certain missions when their costume becomes unfit.
Sorry, there is no way in hell Jack is very well dressed. It's like her outfit has been designed by a 13 year old boy who was watching BDSM the night before.
It got a slightly bit better in ME3, although I'd have liked to have been in the meeting where they decided to have her nipples feature so prominently.
Her whole design (especially for a victim of sexual abuse and exploitation) is a tad troubling to be honest. And, more importantly. makes zero sense for someone who is supposed to be in combat.
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