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[Shelled]

So bioware banned a bunch of people from the forums after patch 3 released (myself included), many were among top 30 on the MP leaderboards (myself included), for giving out our opinion and criticism about the game. When a company can't take proper criticism about their own product that desperately needs to be fixed in multiple ways, what exactly is the consumer who purchased the product supposed to think at that point? 

I've been gaming for the last 20 years as one of my biggest hobbies, but this just straight up rubs me the wrong way. Are biowares developers really that conceited? The only other developer that I know of where I saw this level of ineptitude and just plain ignorance about their own work was Jay Wilson and eventually he had the intelligence to step down and know that he made a crappy game (or was fired). 

When I take Allan Schumacher's comments like this "Note that our forums are not for bug feedback"  <--- lmfao seriously? or BWEAmelia calling people a VILLAIN for making a legitimate video about how badly the game is broken? That video wasn't even about the PC single player problems either LOL! My god, are these people legitimately this conceited about their product? Do they really not understand that almost everyone in the pc community is completely enraged by this game? It's not even very far off from being a decent game, its just the tactical camera is terrible (no proper tilt, stuck to world mesh) and there's just way too many bugs in both sp and mp. Way too many. Not to mention the u.i is made for consoles as well as the controls and the tactical camera was basically built for the controller as well. 

You start calling this game out as exactly what it portrays itself to be; a damn buggy console port, and suddenly the community are villains and these forums aren't the place to discuss bugs. 

Wow.



Wow.
 

People need to be fired over there at this point, I don't want anyone to lose their job who does not deserve it, I really am not that kind of person, but this is effing ridiculous at this point. This is absolutely insane on a level that I've never seen before. Even ubisoft doesn't do things this poorly. After mass effect 3 you would have figured bioware had all the experience in the world about communicating and taking proper feedback at heart about a game they make. Apparently it had the opposite affect on them and made them all jaded and bitter. It's almost like they released this game to punish us or something lol.

All we want bioware is for you to actually fix this damn game instead of breaking things completely like the reaver or not fixing anything at all or introducing a ton of new bugs, and maybe make the pc version of the tactical camera and u.i, not completely suck. Also please reverse the changes made to the reaver because you did not bring that class in line with other classes for perilous difficulty, you just made it straight up useless instead.

I'm more curious as to why a feedback section even exists when we know at this point that they aren't even reading it, or are making snarky posts about consumers behind our backs, like how we don't know what we are talking about because we aren't game developers.

I've played the multiplayer for over 400 hours, and been pc gaming in general for the last 20 years. I think it's safe to say that this game is a buggy mess, that the tactical camera and the u.i is absolutely horrendous on PC platform and all you need to do to make that conclusion is to look at the dragon age origins tactical camera/u.i to find out why. I think it's safe to say that the multiplayer is unplayable and that many people literally disabled the free dlc because of how buggy it was, probably did so again after patch 3, I wouldn't know because I've quit the game at this point.

I know a lot of top leaderboard people who stopped playing this game because they completely lost faith in bioware at this point. I kid you not. They do not expect a dragon encounter in the multiplayer or anything like that to happen, or darkspawn additions, anything like that. They refuse to pay for any sort of expansion or dlc at all at this point for the sp or the mp, myself included. I can't speak for others on this, but for myself this is the last bioware game I purchase. Sorry but you people have gone way too far at this point. This level of conceited ignorance about this game, especially on pc version, and the level of ineptitude when it has come to fixing it has gone too far and when you combine that with your responses to this community, its time to put the wallet away for good.

You're a disgrace to this industry. Enjoy your game of the year awards though, because you definitely deserve them. You can go ahead and ban me though, I wouldn't expect anything else from people like this after this kind of a post. Put this account out of its misery on these forums because I'm not making another post here again, so it doesn't even matter.

[Pukey Paul]

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[Teddie Sage]

I personally got banned for insulting two members after losing patience. They never banned me for giving out my opinion. I'm not proud of what I did, but as long as you are respectful of the rules and keep expressing yourself in a manner that isn't antagonistic of anyone on these boards, I think we should be allowed to express ourselves. I haven't read beyond your first paragraph because I'm not that patient, sorry.

[DaemionMoadrin]

 

Do they really not understand that almost everyone in the pc community is completely enraged by this game?

 

While I agree with you on most points, I would like to point out that the PC community over here at BSN doesn't represent all PC customers and that we do not have a clear majority one way or another.

 

 

It's almost like they released this game to punish us or something lol.

 

We have been bad, bad gamers and deserve to be punished. How dare we not worship their artistic vision, how dare we complain about their games?!

 

...^^

[Shelled]

I personally got banned for insulting two members after losing patience. They never banned me for giving out my opinion. I'm not proud of what I did, but as long as you are respectful of the rules and keep expressing yourself in a manner that isn't antagonistic of anyone on these boards, I think we should be allowed to express ourselves. I haven't read beyond your first paragraph because I'm not that patient, sorry.

They've banned this account twice for criticism only. (officially, the last post I make on these forums).

[Teddie Sage]

They've banned this account twice for criticism only.

Did you use any sort of cussing while doing your critiques? Did you use violent metaphors to compare someone? Did you personally attack someone from the BioWare team?

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Well I can speak for myself, right?

I wasn't banned though my tone in my posts is, well, questionable.

 

You see - there's still a line between calling people morons, defining peoples' actions as moronic and explaining why some of those actions are considered moronic.

1st is a direct personal insult, 2 is a non-constructive passionate critics and 3rd - construsctive passionate critics.

 

But you know what? I think we need to create something useful for Bioware to think instead of just underlining their many failures. And I'm into something right now.

Anyone else? Like a group to discuss stuffs?

[Abyss108]

There is a place you can report bugs.

 

http://answers.ea.co...p/DAInquisition

 

This place isn't for bugs, it's for non-technical feedback. Like gameplay, music, writing etc.

[Jeffry]

You are mostly right, OP, especially about the feedback. I've always loved BioWare, but when they say they are listening and working on fixes like improving the PC controls? Yeah, right, we've waited for that patch over a month since BW promised it and got this patch 3 instead... I would really like to know, how many people are working on patching the game at the moment, my guess is one guy, which would also explain why these minor fixes took so long and either didn't fix the thing they intended or broke something else.

At least for me the tactical camera isn't that much of an issue, it was really weird at first, but I got used it rather quickly. It sucks though you can't move it through the ceiling, it's downright unusable in caverns for example. But what is even worse are some elementary commands missing from the UI for no discernbile reason like switching between hold and free move or being able to click to move in 3rd person mode. Put on top of that a stupid party AI and weird pathfinding when party members sometimes lose health on a minor slope or just rocky ground (i guess they trip over and break their ankle) and together with even more worse issues like ridiculous spawn system, god-damned RNG, platforming in a game where the characters' ability to jump is worse than that of a crippled old man and you've got yourself a really frustrating experience sometimes.

Although QA failed in DAI and big time, I wouldn't call this game a buggy mess in comparison with the previous Dragon Age games. For example DAO too had tons of bugs (some of them game-breaking) and most of them have never been fixed by BioWare (at least they released a toolset and the community did the work for them) or if you remember DAO:A, that was even worse and I seriously wouldn't been able to finish that expansion without developer console.

The worst part for me is, that I love many aspects of the game, but at times I have to force myself to continue finishing it and in no way in hell I will go through it again in its current state.

[Terodil]

But you know what? I think we need to create something useful for Bioware to think instead of just underlining their many failures. And I'm into something right now.

Anyone else? Like a group to discuss stuffs?

 

But that has already been done, done again, and done yet again. There are numerous threads in here that were the result of a lot of work of a lot of people. With opening posts collating all comments and sorting them into palatable sections. I applaud your enthusiasm and your willingness to help BW, but I personally feel that we (I) have done everything we can at this point. It is all there for Bioware, they just need to look at it.

 

Re: OP: I am feeling increasingly nauseous when visiting this forum. I am not revealing a big secret if I add that that's not because of user content.

[Kantr]

How much of it though is the fault of a hostile community? BSN does not have a good name anywhere and the developers dont like the forums

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

But that has already been done, done again, and done yet again. There are numerous threads in here that were the result of a lot of work of a lot of people. With opening posts collating all comments and sorting them into palatable sections. I applaud your enthusiasm and your willingness to help BW, but I personally feel that we (I) have done everything we can at this point. It is all there for Bioware, they just need to look at it.

 

Re: OP: I am feeling increasingly nauseous when visiting this forum. I am not revealing a big secret if I add that that's not because of user content.

 

Not at all.

i think the problem is that Bioware isn't motivated to get our suggestions here and worke those to the appropriate, understandable point. So more complete suggestions, let's say 'creative projects' might've been accepted.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

How much of it though is the fault of a hostile community? BSN does not have a good name anywhere and the developers dont like the forums

It's hard to be tolerant to being robbed in a broad daylight, honey.

 

But those robbers - we love them! And they're so cute :3

So instead of calling police we try to reason them.

[Terodil]

Not at all.

i think the problem is that Bioware isn't motivated to get our suggestions here and worke those to the appropriate, understandable point. So more complete suggestions, let's say 'creative projects' might've been accepted.

 

At this point, the focus should really not be on "creative projects", IMO, which is something you can/should/must add once you have completed your basic course.

 

BW is still stuck somewhere in the middle of the basic course. They need to fix the stuff they started, but did not finish, that they designed, but did not develop, that they developed, but did not quality-test.

[Teddie Sage]

How much of it though is the fault of a hostile community? BSN does not have a good name anywhere and the developers dont like the forums

You're right on that one... Although, it can't be worse than 4chan.

[_Aine_]

The forum is chock-full of criticism from people who haven't been banned.   If everyone who ever criticized was banned, it would be a very short read here I think.  But saying this feedback forum is not the appropriate method of Bioware realistically and systematically getting info on bugs, is in my opinion the right call.  Would YOU want to be the one to gold-pan through all the crap and whining on here to find the unique and legit bugs?  (Still, I wish there was a more effective way to report bugs than yet another forum, or twitter, but that is my own thing... )

 

I've been on these boards a while, and done my fair share of constructive criticism over the years.  If I have an opinion I share it, and encourage people to share their feedback and opinions also, in a mature and responsible way.  Normally I try to do that with as much respect as I can to the devs as people though.   Sometimes it is all about the HOW and not the what.   In the end, there are real people on the other side of the great fadeish divide known as the boards.   I think that if your argument is strong enough, you can get the point across without resorting to attacks or shouting for emphasis.  

 

That said, I think they do visit the boards.  Visiting is a safe(ish) thing to do, regardless of what they read.  Commenting?  Dangerous pass-time around here.  I'd do it rarely, if ever.   

[DaemionMoadrin]

They usually don't ban people, but they suspend their accounts for some time.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

There is a place you can report bugs.

 

http://answers.ea.co...p/DAInquisition

 

This place isn't for bugs, it's for non-technical feedback. Like gameplay, music, writing etc.

 

The Answer HQ is for technical help. Feedback is for all feedback, including bugs.

 

In the ME 3 MP Multiplayer forums, the developers regularly discussed bugs and bug testing with the community, and it was a far more responsive and productive way of handling it than Answer HQ.

 

In the Feedback thread, developers are actively discussing and requesting testing help with the issue people are experiencing where their games lack banter and music. It's an important part of how these issues are addressed.

[Bocochoco]

Everyone needs to add penguins video to their signature
Same as mine

Edit: hastily typed

[BioWareMod03]

There does not look to be any DA inquisition discussion. We are done here.