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Proposing a safe method for protesting the current state of patch 3


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TheOgre

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Saw this thread, after some.. editing, I will share here. below...

 

Recently, there has been a significant number of people  being suspended or banned for complaining about Patch 3 in the Multiplayer section of the forum.

 

The problem theymade was trying to use words to express our discontent with the state of the game after the patch. It is no longer safe to verbally discuss the problems revolving around Patch 3, because we will be branded as toxic, reported, and suspended for "abusive" behavior, or even punished for very difficult to justify reasons which when contested with valid arguments are met with silence.

 

There is a workaround to express your opinion about the buggy state of the game without having to use words, which is desired because words can be reacted to with bans from questionable moderators and borderline zealotry by bioware defenders. You just have to change your avatar image to something like this:

 

http://i.imgur.com/YL4NYxP.jpg

 

YL4NYxP.jpg

 

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#FreePenguin

#FreeJoe



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SofaJockey

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Oh dear, do I have to change my avatar to 'Zealot' ?

I'll change my signature instead, so that my zealotry is borderline  :D



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Are we still allowed to do quote pyramids?

 

I vote a massive "fix all the things" pyramid :)

 

YL4NYxP.jpg



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Are we still allowed to do quote pyramids?

 

I vote a massive "fix all the things" pyramid :)

 

YL4NYxP.jpg

 

We were never allowed to do quote pyramids.


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Oh, look, I found where it is on my "Things in Life that I need to Protest List:"

 

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As you can see, this is definitely a very important issue to me, and I will protest it according to that importance.


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I want that "Hunter in the snowbank" pic as my avatar lol

I think most people had action taken against them for the way they used their words. Things started to get personal and a little nonsensical lol.

That said, in all of our defense, as I said in another thread, this was the straw which broke the camel's back. We've been playing this "game" with devs for about 10 years now, and it's getting very old.

For what it's worth, Bioware, I'm sorry that it was your game which finally pushed me to feel the way I do, but it is what it is. It's nothing personal...but after supporting this industry for over 20 years, I feel we deserve a change in the way things are done.

I'm not expecting BW (or any dev ) to make a "perfect game". Where games are today, they're crazy complex. One might argue a lot of games run algorithms which are more complex than those in a guided missile or Mars lander (perhaps lending some context to the NASA comments). So I totally get that there's going to be mistakes and errors, some of which may be game breaking. THAT'S OK!!!

What is NOT ok is to act like those problems aren't there, and to not fix them transparently and in a timely fashion.

If your patch, to fix your error, is going to change the way I need to play the game, then I need to know the details of how, and even why. Very few people actually like going through the whole "testing the game post-patch to see what changed, and how." We just want it to work so we can have fun!! There's no shame in admitting that you fixed an issue!!

I swear though, some devs operate on a "if we don't explain what was fixed and how, maybe they'll forget there was a problem to begin with!!"

As absurd as it might sound, people schedual their lives around maximizing their free time (and around here, a lot of us use that free time to game!).

When you work all day, come home, make sure your household is functioning, finish chores, pay bills, etc etc, and then sit down at the end of the day to enjoy an hour or two of vids with some friends, there isn't much else that is more frustrating to have the game not work the way it's supposed to.

So, you get on the interwebz to see if other people are having the same problem, and if there is a fix. You browse a couple forums (including the devs "official" forum, thinking that's probably the most logical place to find help), only to find that yes, the issue you are having is common, but no, there is currently no fix.

Common to this situation:
-devs not acknowledging the problem,
-attempting to fix the problem and claiming it had been fixed, even though it hasn't
-fix problem A, but cause problems B, C, and D as a result.
-and most common of all, offer ZERO timeline as to when problems will be fixed.

We're not stupid....we all know that you can't miss a deadline that you never set. It's just another one of those phenomenons that seem to exist only in the gaming industry.

I don't have a problem that your product has bugs. It's a complex product, it's natural.

I am to the point where I have zero patients for buying broken products which are not fixed in a timely fashion.

Perhaps more important, I have no patients left for being completely left in the dark as to when these fixes will be made.

If it's going to take until Day XYZ to fix glitch ABC, I'm ok with that. I'll schedual my life accordly, and come back to the game after day XYZ.

I no longer have the time, nor the desire, to check multiple forums every day to see if other customers can tell me whether or not issues have been fixed, and in what manner. That should come straight from the dev.


One last thing.

NASA crashes things all the time. Mistakes happen, unforeseen issues arise....it's part of innovating, we get it.

But please correct me if I'm wrong, but every time you've heard about NASA crashing something into Mars, they release a PUBLIC statement explaining exactly what the hell happened. Why do they do this?

BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO HELPED FUND THAT PROJECT DESERVE TO KNOW WHAT WENT WRONG!!!!!!
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I'll go outside,  sit on the porch with a cup of coffee and a sheet of paper saying "fix all things". That'll be my protest, though I truly am not all that upset about it.


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Darn, now it's #FreeJoe in addition to #FreePengin?

God I might as well start saying #FreeYumi now.

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What's with all the #free stuff? Did I miss a thread somewhere?



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SofaJockey

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What's with all the #free stuff? Did I miss a thread somewhere?

 

A couple of folk apparently got weekend bans, it is rumoured for saying stuff they shouldn't have regarding bugs and patches.

I don't know the truth of it and debating the truth of it is likely going to be an issue as well.

 

I find the hashtags rather melodramatic myself, 

but they seem decent people so I hope they are back soon.



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Added #FreeJoe to my sig
Also if multi had a feedback section this wouldn't be as much of an issue.
I personally believe they left it out on purpose considering it takes the board mod 5 minutes to make one

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SofaJockey

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Added #FreeJoe to my sig
Also if multi had a feedback section this wouldn't be as much of an issue.
I personally believe they left it out on purpose considering it takes the board mod 5 minutes to make one

 

There was an unofficial one for a while, you even got credit...  ;)


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I can stand behind most of what you said, except the part about the patients. I dont think anyone really enjoys being a patient.

Anyway, in all seriousness. I'm not really that upset. I'm used to receiving buggy games, some more than others - and my view of the developer adjusted thereafter. Some games more buggy than others. I don't like it but there's not much I can do about it, other than just not buy it at all. When it comes to DAMP, I just think it is a small part compared to SP, which probably is in total, worth the money alone.

That being said I also judge developers after how they communicate their process with their core fan base. How much they update them and how often or how quick they fix things that are happening constantly in their games. When you release a buggy game, DLC or patch - this is the only way to get the fanbase back on your side. In this case I think bioware score high on the actual game, but pretty low on the follow up. I even think that they should have a launcher for the game that updates it when needed, and informs everyone about whats going on in the game, patches, what you are working on etc. etc. like information like "Elementalists firestorm is causing a bug on invicible units etc. etc.". "We are making progress on these issues, expect a fix in x days". So on and so forth.

 

Last of all, let the community that has eagerly awaited your game actually beta test it FOR you. I know tons of people would be willing to do so, even me, free of charge... Doesnt matter if it shows part of the game you dont really want the public to see. It's all good for your game. The more streams and viewers you have on twitch that sees your game pre release, the more people might buy it. I dont really understand when people are being secretive about these things...



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I think most people had action taken against them for the way they used their words.


^ This.

Forumites will lose their collective mind if a company employee makes a post that can be even slightly construed as "snippy" but for some reason if those same forumites explode in self importance that's completely OK. The double standards, hypocritical behavior and childish antics on these forums are a sight to truly behold. This is a video game. One more time. Video. Game.

To see grown adults completely labotomize what sense of integrity and self control their parents *supposedly* instilled in them over a... video... game... is mind blowing.

Perspective.

Some people really need to get some.
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A couple of folk apparently got weekend bans, it is rumoured for saying stuff they shouldn't have regarding bugs and patches.

I don't know the truth of it and debating the truth of it is likely going to be an issue as well.

 

I find the hashtags rather melodramatic myself, 

but they seem decent people so I hope they are back soon.

Ah. Well hopefully the game starts progressing soon. At the risk of sounding dramatic, I feel like the game's been on its back for too long. We need something else to talk about and some content to get hyped over.


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To see grown adults completely labotomize what sense of integrity and self control their parents *supposedly* instilled in them over a... video... game... is mind blowing.

Who said they were all grown adults? You arent really grown until you are 30. People under that are usually immature, ignorant kids. They just dont realize it.

And who said parents instill anything on their kids. Parents now days doesnt seem to do anything other then put cushions under their asses, and let them bring themselves up once everything is properly secured. As long as you dont die, or even experience pain or misery - its all good.
 

 

Some people really need to get some.

Get some what? :)



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Ah. Well hopefully the game starts progressing soon. At the risk of sounding dramatic, I feel like the game's been on its back for too long. We need something else to talk about and some content to get hyped over.


I agree. They got about 7 weeks to do something pretty amazing. Bloodbourne and Final Fantasy Type 0 HD release mid-March. That's when I'm probably out completely unless there is some great new content to keep DAMP in my rotation. If this game isn't humming by May, (or maybe June) it's screwed, because Final Fantasy 15 is dropping and I guarantee that game is gonna blow people's socks off (I'm predicting it's GOTY 2015). I find a lot of Dragon Age/Bioware fans are also Final Fantasy fans as well.

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I agree. They got about 7 weeks to do something pretty amazing. Bloodbourne and Final Fantasy Type 0 HD release mid-March. That's when I'm probably out completely unless there is some great new content to keep DAMP in my rotation. If this game isn't humming by May, (or maybe June) it's screwed, because Final Fantasy 15 is dropping and I guarantee that game is gonna blow people's socks off (I'm predicting it's GOTY 2015). I find a lot of Dragon Age/Bioware fans are also Final Fantasy fans as well.

 

Never played FF, might try it.

TW3 in May of course.

 

(oh and I have AC Unity still on the shelf, unstarted)

 

I'm still having a ton of fun with DAMP

(And BSN is a game in itself some days...)

 



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There was an unofficial one for a while, you even got credit...  ;)


Yeah tons of suggestions and responses and not a single BW response

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Yeah tons of suggestions and responses and not a single BW response

 

Wrong!!! There were 2 PMs from people at biower



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Wrong!!! There were 2 PMs from people at biower


I must be thinking of another thread then

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Not a lot of DA inquisition discussion going on. We are done here.