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[Kipp73]

I was asked to elaborate on my build in another thread, but rather than tag it onto the end of that, ill post fresh. 

 

Viable at all levels, solo and group.

 

 

 

Abilities:

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• Stone Fist (CC and detonator) - spammable
• Fire wall (CC and DoT dps) - plan ahead when casting
• Barrier (CYA for u and team)
• Immo (Big ol' DoT) - uber-spam

 

The build has so much versatility but requires u to be frontline, and not in the rear lobbing wand juice at mobs.  It covers your ass, makes u tanky DoT monster.  The cool down times on both immo and stonefist mean u can PUMP out dps while controlling mobs.  Firewall used at choke point or directly on top of where u are, or where u are going to be.  Cast it early, pop barrier then run into it if u soloing.  Mobs surround u, stonefist floors them.  Mobs that touch the wall cant attack.

 

 

Ethos:

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- Use stonefist as a disrupting ability on witches, on demons during their 3 step fear casting.  Also used on frozen, on groups, on shielbearers, etc.  Very few mobs can resist knockdown.  This ability validates this build and class, and imho, makes elementalist the best class in the game.

 

- Use firewall on everything. Best uses are, a) when entering a fight, before u take aggro, line up those archers and ffffommph!  They go down while still on back row.  And when u in a solid scrap, drop it wherever u need it, preferably right on/beside u, then bait mobs into/thru it.

 

- Barrier doesnt need to be up 100% time.  Use at your discretion, but its the first ability i tech to when freshly promoted.  Makes u viable when levelling.  Dont worry about upgrading until u got your other 3 abilities upgraded. 

 

- Immolate - Bread and butter, spammable.  Your main dps output.  Actively look for grouped mobs to target.  Cant see any groups except a single file line of mobs rushing u?  Stonefist the first ones, wait til rest catch up, Immo all of them.  Upgrade once u got barrier.

 

 

 

Unlock order:

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- barrier

- death siphon

- immo upgrade

- stonefist upgraded

- firewall upgrade

- Gathering storm

 

After that, what ever you like, but the rest of the passives should be obvious.

[Kapsejs]

Definitely gonna try this out, I found a Fire Wall ring earlier so my elementalist has been more or less centered around Firewall. I never used that ability before, not even in SP, but MP is learning me to know and love a whole range of abilities I barely glanced at before. 

 

Firestorm is fun, I guess, but feels rather unnecessary when you've got Firewall already. Plus it has a long casting time and animation (if you're not careful, you might go down casting and leave the flaming chunks of stone as a goodbye-present to the enemies who took you down) And if you don't manage to time it with a Flashpoint it has a crazy long cooldown! Bye Firestorm, hello barrier.

[Jackyl]

That's the same way i run my ele. Had to find something to replace firestorm because of the key glitch and i do love me some stonefist.

[Torkelight]

That's the same way i run my ele. Had to find something to replace firestorm because of the key glitch and i do love me some stonefist.

You know, even if I have been adamant on avoiding Elementalists in PUGs, if you play one yourself you just avoid using it on those stages where you will bug the game out - dogs, shadows etc. That means you'd have to avoid it on about 2 of 5 stages. So it has been usable all the time, you only avoid pugging with one, as you cant control what he is doing. 

While in a proper group you can easily do it, you just focus down those enemies that might cause the bug and then you can use firestorm to your hearts content.

Elementalist is godclass after all.

Edit: Btw, firestorming dogs and creatures should now be moderatly safe.

[-PenguinFetish-]

Stone fist does not work as a detonator. 

 

Decent build, but the key bug prevents me from using the elementalist until its fixed.

[DanakV]

On most of the kits I play regularly I tend to rely predominantly on just two or three abilities and it almost doesn't matter if I pick up a fourth or not.  I really struggle with one build on Elementalist though because they have so many good skills!  I seriously avoid playing him these days not because of the key bug but just because I can't ever make up my mind on which abilities to use.

 

If you make me start considering Stone Fist on him also....argh!

 

 

[Torkelight]

On most of the kits I play regularly I tend to rely predominantly on just two or three abilities and it almost doesn't matter if I pick up a fourth or not.  I really struggle with one build on Elementalist though because they have so many good skills!  I seriously avoid playing him these days not because of the key bug but just because I can't ever make up my mind on which abilities to use.

 

If you make me start considering Stone Fist on him also....argh!

I personally like:

Barrier
Stone fist/winters grasp/fire mine
Firewall
Firestorm

I believe it is the best you can get. Passives should really be obvious. 

[Kapsejs]

Just played this build and tried out Stonefist, and it is so. Freaking. Good. Really satisfying to get hunted by a group of mooks and knock them all on their *sses instead of waiting for Winter's Grasp's cc. A shame that you can't freeze enemies and then stone fist them, but you can't have everything I guess. Thank you kipp73 for opening my eyes to this little nugget!

[Kipp73]

Firestorm is very overrated, notwithstanding the current key issues.  Not without its merits, i think its just not worth taking for the fact that it cripples fluid play.  It has use in 5/5, but fire wall does that job better and with more control.  I cant justify a costly skill deliverying only 12(1x weap dmg strikes), wide area, slow delivery, 60 sec c/d.  Although not huge, there is a lot of RNG going on after casting the skill. 

 

Stonefist > Firestorm every time

[Petrikles]

Stone Fist shatters. I run a fast-CD Elementalist like this: Winter´s Grasp, Stone Fist, Immolate, Fade Step. Rotation is Stone Fist > Immolate > Grasp > Fade Step. Easy as pie; just be aware of approaching enemies and LoS ranged when they are too far spaced apart for your Stone Fist you should not die at all.

[Zorinho20_CRO]

Stone fist does not work as a detonator. 

 

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Care to explain?

I am rather sure,that does detonate,but maybe my memory is just toying with me.

[Catastrophy]

Care to explain?

I am rather sure,that does detonate,but maybe my memory is just toying with me.

I'm quite sure I shattered frozen guys with stonefist.

[Kenny Bania]

I'm quite sure I shattered frozen guys with stonefist.

 

It "shatters", but doesn't have any cold damage associated with it (which it should).

[Catastrophy]

It "shatters", but doesn't have any cold damage associated with it (which it should).

Lol, I never look at the numbers. It's useful for breaking pots, though.

[Kenny Bania]

Lol, I never look at the numbers. It's useful for breaking pots, though.

 

Just another broken ability.

 

I'm pretty sure they have no idea just how many are broken, and don't expect any of them to get fixed at any point.

[Catastrophy]

Just another broken ability.

 

I'm pretty sure they have no idea just how many are broken, and don't expect any of them to get fixed at any point.

I know. Eventually there will be an ability with an unintended weird feature that works for the player. Bonus points if it's also funny.

[Mithhuanion]

It "shatters", but doesn't have any cold damage associated with it (which it should).

Why? It's a spirit power which means spirit damage

[Kenny Bania]

Why? It's a spirit power which means spirit damage

 

Longshot doesn't do cold damage either, and it does cold damage on shatter. The damage type in this scenario is based off the primer.

[UnearthlyCheese]

I'll have to try this build on my ele some time.

I just don't know if I'll be able to drop Firestorm lol.

My group of friends and I have avoided/uninstalled the DLC, so we don't have issues with the ele at this point.

Because I play with the same group consistently, we all pick up firestorm at level 7 on our eles, and use it for speed running.

We just did a bunch of perelous last night with 2 hunters, myself ele, and a 4th as keeper and ele. We played it the same way we usually play threatening. Pull everything, group everything, AOE everything lol.

Other than for doors, who needs a warrior lol?

[Robbiesan]

Yep, great build.  Have used this one too to great effect.

[Beerfish]

People hate you a lot less if you use a barrier build I find. 

[Catastrophy]

People hate you a lot less if you use a barrier build I find. 

Good, more reason to spec out of it.

[anagram_of_evil]

Stone fist does not work as a detonator. 

 

Stonefist detonates, but doesn't trigger any bonus damage on detonation.  However, the original status effect (the detonation primer) is still removed.  Just be aware of this and don't Stonefist stuff that is frozen, stunned, etc.  Several abilities are bugged in the same way (Mighty Blow, Whirlwind).

 

You are probably aware of that, but other folks seem not to be.

[anagram_of_evil]

Decent build, but the key bug prevents me from using the elementalist until its fixed.

 

Why, because you can't spam Firestorm?

[anagram_of_evil]

Abilities:

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• Stone Fist (CC and detonator) - spammable
• Fire wall (CC and DoT dps) - plan ahead when casting
• Barrier (CYA for u and team)
• Immo (Big ol' DoT) - uber-spam

 

I've used the same build for my last two promotions, and I like it a lot.  I got tired of saving Firestorm for zone 5, so stopped using it until the key glitch is fixed.

 

I disagree on your point about needing to be on the front lines for this build.  It works great from the back lines, too.  Just try to Barrier whoever needs it the most.

 

Also, I always unlock Wall of Fire before anything else.  I have Wall of Fire on all of my elementalist builds.  :-)

 

Sometimes I take Fade Cloak instead of Barrier.  You can spam the other three abilities more if you're not using Barrier, and Fade Cloak gives you an escape + recover ability.