Leliana is the worst. Another reason to not support her is that she's responsible for the nug apocalypse that will eventually befall Thedas. Who was that brought them to the surface? Leliana. Now they're in every map breeding uncontrollably.
Are these the actions of a responsible Divine BSN? I ask you!!
Nug invasion DLC when?
In the world of The Witcher they are not trapped in towers, but are hunted to death. It is not very different from the DA. It depends on the universe, I think this kind of fantasy is common to magic being seen as something evil, usually this view is caused by the local religion, does not make it a bad thing in fact, is only the view of the people.
Locking them in tower is alternative to killing them in da in fact even in a way protection as people were more than glad to do that before circles.In fact chantry never spread hate against magic all they do is point truth about magic and in fact still praise it.So if something hate comes from peoples in that case not organisation and their fears are legitimate in that case as mages many times proved.
So what separate da universe from others in that matter this is more than just prejudices because mages are different and because of that we hate them what makes leliana epilogue even more ridiculous.
Locking them in tower is alternative to killing them in da in fact even in a way protection as people were more than glad to do that before circles.In fact chantry never spread hate against magic all they do is point truth about magic and in fact still praise it.So if something hate comes from peoples in that case not organisation and their fears are legitimate in that case as mages many times proved.
So what separate da universe from others in that matter this is more than just prejudices because mages are different and because of that we hate them what makes leliana epilogue even more ridiculous.
They do not preach hatred of magic, that I agree, but with a little note... they leave implicit hatred of magic. But that does not mean much, it seems to me that's what you said is true, they really do the cycles as a kind of protection. But can you explain better? I am not native in English, did not understand if you like or dislike the Leliana as Divine. Sorry ;-;
They do not preach hatred of magic, that I agree, but with a little note... they leave implicit hatred of magic. But that does not mean much, it seems to me that's what you said is true, they really do the cycles as a kind of protection, can you explain better? I am not native in English, did not understand if you like or dislike the Leliana as Divine.
I dislike her as i said her epilogue is just unrealistic even more if unhardened and is in fact insult for this series as it completely ignores issues that her soulution would bring making whole conflict black and white with templars as bad guys who restricted mages freedom for no reason and mages that wanted freedom and it had no cost at all .
Yes. She basically just says personal happiness doesn't matter when Thedas needs change. Which is a nice way of saying, "No, becoming Divine is more important."
**** that.....Yes. She basically just says personal happiness doesn't matter when Thedas needs change. Which is a nice way of saying, "No, becoming Divine is more important."
Locking them in tower is alternative to killing them in da in fact even in a way protection as people were more than glad to do that before circles.In fact chantry never spread hate against magic all they do is point truth about magic and in fact still praise it.So if something hate comes from peoples in that case not organisation and their fears are legitimate in that case as mages many times proved.
So what separate da universe from others in that matter this is more than just prejudices because mages are different and because of that we hate them what makes leliana epilogue even more ridiculous.
You seem to ignore historical situation. Hate mages received from common people early on was closely related to the fact that it was an aftermatch of the original Exalted March. Magic was so important to Tevinter Empire that mages had pretty good chances of being immidiately identified as Tevinter-sympathizers just by sin of being mages. It was more a kind of racial prejudice (race - mage 
) than anything else.
If you believe Chantry had no impact on how the mages were seen in following centuries, just look at all the non-andrastian (or not truly Andrastian) societies in Thedas:
- Rivain
- Avvars
- Chasind
- Dalish*
Generally speaking, where the Chantry is not present, mages tend to be MUCH less feared and/or hated. Oh, and then there is that second Chantry where mages are in power, but Tevinter being the Generic Evil Empire doesn't really lend them credibility. Either way, you could argue that the threat mages pose is real, but it's beyond question that Chantry is the major force behind mages' status as either hated outcasts or feared slaves to the Chantry.
*yeah, there is this "kicked out a mage child 'cause there were already two mages" crap but that contradicts all the earlier lore so I'm considering it a strange isolated incident
You seem to ignore historical situation. Hate mages received from common people early on was closely related to the fact that it was an aftermatch of the original Exalted March. Magic was so important to Tevinter Empire that mages had pretty good chances of being immidiately identified as Tevinter-sympathizers just by sin of being mages. It was more a kind of racial prejudice (race - mage
If you believe Chantry had no impact on how the mages were seen in following centuries, just look at all the non-andrastian (or not truly Andrastian) societies in Thedas:
- Rivain
- Avvars
- Chasind
- Dalish*
Generally speaking, where the Chantry is not present, mages tend to be MUCH less feared and/or hated. Oh, and then there is that second Chantry where mages are in power, but Tevinter being the Generic Evil Empire doesn't really lend them credibility. Either way, you could argue that the threat mages pose is real, but it's beyond question that Chantry is the major force behind mages' status as either hated outcasts or feared slaves to the Chantry.
*yeah, there is this "kicked out a mage child 'cause there were already two mages" crap but that contradicts all the earlier lore so I'm considering it a strange isolated incident
Not at all peoples hate mages because those are dangerous and harmful to society as proven societies you pointed are pretty much primitive and dominated by mages often corrupted and destructive handling few mages at best.Chantry did nothing to spread hate unless telling truth you call spreading hate.Tevinter isn't loved by folks at all mages have control only because they dominated society but hardly they are loved in tevinter.
As i said you have nothing no prove no even tiny line from chantry that they spread hate against mages pretty much sure huge amount of disasters caused by mages is more than enough to folks hate them.
Not at all peoples hate mages because those are dangerous and harmful to society as proven societies you pointed are pretty much primitive and dominated by mages often corrupted and destructive handling few mages at best.Chantry did nothing to spread hate unless telling truth you call spreading hate.Tevinter isn't loved by folks at all mages have control only because they dominated society but hardly they are loved in tevinter.
As i said you have nothing no prove no even tiny line from chantry that they spread hate against mages pretty much sure huge amount of disasters caused by mages is more than enough to folks hate them.
Rivain is a pretty big country, I don't recall it being primitive - unless "primitive" becomes somehow synonymous with "not conforming to Chantry views on things like spirits and magic".
It's primitive because they live in tribes that sell their daughters for goats and conform around magical seers that talk to spirits. That's pretty primitive.
It's primitive because they live in tribes that sell their daughters for goats and conform around magical seers that talk to spirits. That's pretty primitive.
Well, that's just the glorious influence Qun had on Isabela's mother...
Also, through whole Thedas people sell their children into marriage, be it for wealth or power or just because that's the right way. And the "conforming around magical seers that talk to spirits" could sound pretty primitive, but there's the problem: spirits are objectively real, as is magic. And one thing we know about spirit magic is that it potentially gives a mage powerful healing abilities. So what exactly is primitive about them? The fact that their spirit-related magic research/expertise is beyond that of Chantry mages?
For the first few game plays, I chose Cassandra as Divine. After that I started questioning if I made the right choice. Thus I started to dig deeper and peel back the layers. I also took a step back and examined the situation as a whole.
Fiona said something that started all this, “We cannot go back to the way things were.” And she is right.
Considering all the Chantry has done and not done up to the death of Divine Justina.
A good start of these problems, is how hypocritical The Chantry views magic. The Chantry sees Blood Magic as evil, yet The Templars use it. They say The Harrowing is a test to show if a Mage can truly resist the temptation of a Demon, yet any Mage who has passed his/her Harrowing can still become possessed long after they have passed this test. They use Tranquil as a means to bring in a large source of income for The Chantry. The list goes on and on.
The only way The Chantry can survive is to wipe the slate clean and start over.
As for the candidates. I can understand Cassandra and Lilly being candidates but Vivienne still is a mystery to me as to how she even was considered.
But, no, Vivienne will never in any of my game plays be Divine. She is a power hungry woman who does not care about anyone but herself and getting more power. Sure, Vivienne may have this hell bent ideas about mages, but the truth is: Vivienne says these things simply because she does not want a mage surpassing and becoming more powerful than Vivienne wants to be. I see Vivienne as another Meredith with Tivinter mixed in. Giving a power hungry person more power will do nothing but cause more problems. When Vivienne claims the crown as Divine, her actions are no better than a tyrant.
As I said Cassandra was my choice, but I chose to no longer make her Divine. Cassandra is too twitchy to sit in one place. But that is not the main reason. The main reason is: Cassandra wants to try and make things like they were and its falling apart. Sure, she makes some changes, but making small changes to the chaos still going on is not going to solve any problems only create new ones. Don’t get me wrong, I like Cassandra, but not as a Divine.
Lilly was and always will be the better option. She is willing to wipe the slate clean and start over, make The Chantry better or at least try too. Giving mages freedom is a good step in this direction. Considering the Rebellion, you cannot reinstate the Circles and expect all free rebellion mages to return to what was. If you do, sooner or later another rebellion will break out. I also like her idea to allow other races into The Chantry. I never understood why, let’s say an Elf who is very devout in The Maker yet cannot be a Chantry sister. And as an added bonus considering all Lilly has been through, I believe she deserves to be The Divine.
In the end however the choice on who you chose to make Divine, is just that, your choice.
Fiona said something that started all this, “We cannot go back to the way things were.” And she is right.
Yes you can, Viv makes it happen like a boss. As for Fiona? Given her track record I wouldn't be so keen on taking her advice, if anything doing the opposite is likely the better choice.
Yes you can, Viv makes it happen like a boss. As for Fiona? Given her track record I wouldn't be so keen on taking her advice, if anything doing the opposite is likely the better choice.
I rather trust Fiona then Vivienne any day.
Really? Vivienne will never betray you or go against the Inquisition, you can make everything to annoy her, like gaiving Briala the throne, allying with the mages, making Leliana Divine, and she will not leave you.I rather trust Fiona then Vivienne any day.
Yes you can, Viv makes it happen like a boss.
Vivienne returns to the same basic system, but definitely not the way it was before the war.
I trust vivienne over fiona. Fiona was a bit of an imbecile. How could you trust the welfare of mages when she makes the decisions she did. I commend her for trying her best but she is not the most capable.
Vivienne is more capable, though she does seem powerhungry, it is only because she was been raised through court and to me see appears more cunning and wily than deceitful and powerhungry, but that is just my own perception of her.
However i do think vivienne is too traditional, she basically wants things back the way it was because to her it was fine, (being a court enchanter) and not having to deal with all the problems alot of mages have, with templar oppression etc etc.
Cass however has seen it first hand, and knows the secrets of the tranquility and such, she has also been "with" a mage, all in all i think she is best suited as she is just a better person overall, especialyl compared to leilanna who talks like she has her head in the clouds (though i still think she is awesome).
I dont think any of the 3 are perfect, but vivienne would just just try and make things go back to normal and ignore the problems whilst lavishing in court and riches. Leilanna would just cause chaos without thinking of the consquences. Cass would be out of her depth but atleast she would know what the "right" thing to do was.
O.o Why would you trust someone who is too stupid to realize that she is selling her own people into slavery and committing treason over someone who managed to keep what was left of her circle safe in the middle of two civil wars?I rather trust Fiona then Vivienne any day.
Ya'll are forgetting something really important as to why Leliana is the best Divine.
She has red hair.
Duh.
Ya'll are forgetting something really important as to why Leliana is the best Divine.
She has red hair.
Duh.
Leliana is never my choice. I always either choose Cassandra or Vivi.
Why? Because **** the idea of Mages running themselves.
Seriously, they elected a leader who then sold them into slavery to one of the most evil-appearing empires in the whole damn world under the most suspicious and sketchiest of circumstances. Not to mention one of their own carved up and skinned skulls to do weird magic demon bullshit. And instead of doing something about all this nonsense, they just sit on their hands instead of seeking help to escape the enslavement their leader put them in. You know, the same leader who started the war half of them never even wanted in the first place?
And THEN, when we save them, they come into our camps and complain about their treatment, regardless of whether they're our allies or not.
And let's not get started on Orsino's and Irving's leadership.
I wouldn't trust the mages to run a paper bag, much less an army of mages.
It's like they're supposed to be intelligent but get thrown the idiot ball or something.
Yo, hate on Fiona and Orsino all you want. You leave Irving out of this.
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