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[rx00]

1.They already said circle isn't slavery as mages aren't possession if you prefer live in lie your choice...

2.If mages were free there would be disaster after disaster with mages like orsino or uldred and their follower having free hand to act also peoples like zathrian and many others as i said it takes little for mage to cause disaster.

3.Divine didn't dealay it divine caused it if lambet was left alone that rebelion would be end before it started and no war.

1. Of course not. It's JUST a prison (maybe a really cozy prison, depend on circumstances) filled with guards who have the right to execute/lobotomize you if they doubt you for doing something wrong.

 

2.The last time I checked, Tenvinter is live and kicking, without abominations running on streets eating people, and they are probably the most extreme cases on  freedom mage. While Uldred (details we don not know, consider we never know true Uldred) committed his crime under Circle situation. As for Zathrian, it's a group grudge gone wild, but hey, the Exalted March on Dales has done the same(if not worse) effect on both human and elf for generations till today, no magic at all.

 

Truth is, mages and their magics might sour things quicker, but things never goes straight down just because of magic. Mages are people, and people tends to do bad things if everyone around them marked them as "bad things" without any chances to prove themselves or redeem from the past.

 

3.Pardon, not really sure what you meant here.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Vivienne see the problems and adress them, she gaves mages more freedom and responsability, and put the templars on a short leash, with this they cant go abusing their power like before.

The one who wants to repeat history, is Leliana, the mages were free once, abominations rampaged the land and because of this the Inquisition of old was formed and a new one group will rise to hunt them. And I want to know, how long before a noble/ruler starts hunt mages, conscript them to his/her army and use them on petty wars (like Gaspard wanted in TME), withouth the Chantry to protect the mages, how Leliana will stop something like that to happens.

Difference is that Vivienne's ending outright says that all true power lies with her. The moment she isn't Divine, the templars stop being leashed and the mages lose any freedoms she gave them. Unlike Cass or Leliana, Vivienne never tries reforming anything or changing people's views, she only gives power while she's in charge. There is no indication her changes will endure after she's gone.

[Steelcan]

Difference is that Vivienne's ending outright says that all true power lies with her. The moment she isn't Divine, the templars stop being leashed and the mages lose any freedoms she gave them. Unlike Cass or Leliana, Vivienne never tries reforming anything or changing people's views, she only gives power while she's in charge. There is no indication her changes will endure after she's gone.

and Leliana's epilogue also indicates her reforms might not last forever, you can't hold that against Vivienne

[fizzypop]

No they are all terrible divines I would be the best divine. I would destroy the chantry because it's very existence is wrong.

[TheKomandorShepard]

1. Of course not. It's JUST a prison (maybe a really cozy prison, depend on circumstances) filled with guards who have the right to execute/lobotomize you if they doubt you for doing something wrong.

 

2.The last time I checked, Tenvinter is live and kicking, without abominations running on streets eating people, and they are probably the most extreme cases on  freedom mage. While Uldred (details we don not know, consider we never know true Uldred) committed his crime under Circle situation. As for Zathrian, it's a group grudge gone wild, but hey, the Exalted March on Dales has done the same(if not worse) effect on both human and elf for generations till today, no magic at all.

 

Truth is, mages and their magics might sour things quicker, but things never goes straight down just because of magic. Mages are people, and people tends to do bad things if everyone around them marked them as "bad things" without any chances to prove themselves or redeem from the past.

 

3.Pardon, not really sure what you meant here.

1.What have pragmatic ground as any law and pretty much taking into account the middle ages setting death is often punishment not only for mages hell RoT is almost never questioned even by most of mages is seen as necessity .

 

2.Who created blights? From where venatori came from? Pretty much from what i remembe there is even example of tevinter mage in wot experiment with blood magic what ends with him being an abomnation so hardly no abomnations they prob don't care much about them like in rivain.Not to mention you never saw tevinter streets.Also that was political situation between countries no single person grude that caused colosal destruction and damage.

 

3.Not at all and partly true mages are human but they have magic tevinter mages may have been human but that wasn't being human what allowed them to blow up almost entire world being a mage allowed them to do that same for any disaster caused by mage.

[dragonflight288]

Difference is that Vivienne's ending outright says that all true power lies with her. The moment she isn't Divine, the templars stop being leashed and the mages lose any freedoms she gave them. Unlike Cass or Leliana, Vivienne never tries reforming anything or changing people's views, she only gives power while she's in charge. There is no indication her changes will endure after she's gone.

 

 

 

 

and Leliana's epilogue also indicates her reforms might not last forever, you can't hold that against Vivienne

 

True on both sides. 

 

True on the one hand that points out that Vivienne doesn't try to reform the system long-term, and that her ending does outright say that she's the one with real power and no one else has it. 

 

It's also true that Leliana's ending implies that trouble's on the horizon. 

 

All three candidates have pros and cons, but there is one thing each Divine has in common. None of them go back to the status quo pre-Asunder. There are varying levels, some get closer to the original circle than others, but I think Bioware has each of them take the name Victoria so it's easier for them to say Divine Victoria made this decision (codex and dialogue changed based on in-game decisions in Inquisition) for future games or DLC. 

[rx00]

 

1.What have pragmatic ground as any law and pretty much taking into account the middle ages setting death is often punishment not only for mages hell RoT is almost never questioned even by most of mages is seen as necessity .

 

2.Who created blights? From where venatori came from? Pretty much from what i remembe there is even example of tevinter mage in wot experiment with blood magic what ends with him being an abomnation so hardly no abomnations they prob don't care much about them like in rivain.Not to mention you never saw tevinter streets.Also that was political situation between countries no single person grude that caused colosal destruction and damage.

 

3.Not at all and partly true mages are human but they have magic tevinter mages may have been human but that wasn't being human what allowed them to blow up almost entire world being a mage allowed them to do that same for any disaster caused by mage.

1. Perhaps, but that doesn't mean it's necessary, especially when its prisoner's only "crime" is about being what they are.

 

2.Ah, yeah, Blight, we should lock all mages up for this disaster created by a few ancient magisters with a method and social context which basically can't be recreated now. It's like someone wants to locking all Germans up because what Nazi did, I understand the paranoid, but it's still ridiculous.

 

As for Tevinter's current situation, if you can't trust Dorian or in game codex or official guide......well, sure, then I've nothing to say.

 

3.Still not sure what you meant to say in the first half......for the second part, as I said, every interest groups can cause disasters, with or without mages. As for the only mages only disaster(aka Blight)? See my previous point in this post.

[TheKomandorShepard]

1. Perhaps, but that doesn't mean it's necessary, especially when its prisoner's only "crime" is about being what they are.

 

2.Ah, yeah, Blight, we should lock all mages up for this disaster created by a few ancient magisters with a method and social context which basically can't be recreated now. It's like someone wants to locking all Germans up because what Nazi did, I understand the paranoid, but it's still ridiculous.

 

As for Tevinter's current situation, if you can't trust Dorian or in game codex or official guide......well, sure, then I've nothing to say.

 

3.Still not sure what you meant to say in the first half......for the second part, as I said, every interest groups can cause disasters, with or without mages. As for the only mages only disaster(aka Blight)? See my previous point in this post.

 

It is not crime it is law and they have to undergo different laws and measures that provide society safety.

 

2.You lock them to prevent another mage or group of them do same thing that in we saw many times that mage create disaster after disaster when not under proper control.

 

Dorian is naive and we saw many times example of "freedom" of tevinter mages so no...

 

3.Not rly only mages did that as far save for red templars.

[rx00]

It is not crime it is law and they have to undergo different laws and measures that provide society safety.

 

2.You lock them to prevent another mage or group of them do same thing that in we saw many times that mage create disaster after disaster when not under proper control.

 

Dorian is naive and we saw many times example of "freedom" of tevinter mages so no...

 

3.Not rly only mages did that as far save for red templars.

1. Yeah, not crime, just a burden makes you can slay them on sight if they're not in some particular places.

 

2. And what did that accomplished? Oh wait, a total outburst for some things most of them never even dream to commit. And as we mentioned, non-mages disasters (some are much more serious than these "magic crimes" you said) are all over in the history of Thedas, and you still think it appropriate to have some special treatment for this particular group?

 

I have nothing to say about Tevinter if you don't even trust in-game information, as I said.

 

3.Oh? But I never seen a particular "mages' interest parties" in most Exalted Marches, assassin of Queen Madrigal of Antiva, First Qunari War, basically every Dwarven events and so on , so on.....it's not mages' privilege to go far, it's the "privilege" belongs to every societies or groups in Thedas.  

[TheKomandorShepard]

1. Yeah, not crime, just a burden makes you can slay them on sight if they're not in some particular places.

 

2. And what did that accomplished? Oh wait, a total outburst for some things most of them never even dream to commit. And as we mentioned, non-mages disasters (some are much more serious than these "magic crimes" you said) are all over in the history of Thedas, and you still think it appropriate to have some special treatment for this particular group?

 

I have nothing to say about Tevinter if you don't even trust in-game information, as I said.

 

3.Oh? But I never seen a particular "mages' interest parties" in most Exalted Marches, assassin of Queen Madrigal of Antiva, First Qunari War, basically every Dwarven events and so on , so on.....it's not mages' privilege to go far, it's the "privilege" belongs to every societies or groups in Thedas.  

 

1.If they are in places they shouldn't be they are punished and they commit crime as every person under law and after all what protection would be circle if if they didn't punished mages for escaping also pls death isn't punishment here sadly it should.

 

2.What that have accomplished? Rly because from what i remember many times circles were only thing between society and bunch of abomnations or just simple dangerous mages what prevented a lot of potential disasters when mages would cause if were uncheked sadly far from perfect score as system was broken as it allowed mages too much freedom.

 

I trust in game informations as i said examples i provided were not only from game but also pretty much word of god.

 

Since when Exalted Marches were disasters? From what i remember it protected from what i remember we had against qunari ,tevinter (that i already proven that was dangerous and is as can see in dai) and dales that ultimately provoked.And please don't compare random murder to mages caused disaster... Also do i have to remind you who is ultimately responsible for current status of dwarven empire and it is fall?

[Eliastion]

Since when Exalted Marches were disasters? From what i remember it protected from what i remember we had against qunari ,tevinter (that i already proven that was dangerous and is as can see in dai) and dales that ultimately provoked.And please don't compare random murder to mages caused disaster... Also do i have to remind you who is ultimately responsible for current status of dwarven empire and it is fall?

You know you're completely missing the point? Even if the Dales were actually solely responsible for the war (they were not) it wouldn't make a campaign leading to fall of a powerful nation and its people any less of disaster. And if Dales won (they came pretty close, EM actually turned the tide of the war) and commited atrocities comparable too what Orlais has done, it would STILL be a disaster. And, mind you, millions of City Elves continue to suffer through ages consequences of the disaster Exalted March was - did those city elves provoke someone too? Or maybe they are so dangerous they need to be held in Alienages, away from any positions of power including priesthood above sister/brother level?

Moving on - Qunari invasion is a disaster. EM directed against Qunari and mass-murdering of Qun converts in Rivain were disasters. And, incidentally, Tevinter mages are one of the main reasons why their war against Qunari is a stalemate - and from what we know of Qun, I think I would prefer ancient Tevinter to conquer Thedas all over again rather than let those guys win... 

Basically, Thedas is pretty much constantly in state of war, thousands - both combatants and not - dying everywhere. People suffering everywhere. Mage-Templar war is a disaster, but civil war in Orlais isn't any better. And if you pay attention to Ferelden, you notice that those idiots in Bannorn tend to wage their petty wars all the time.

Then there are bandits, Dalish bandits, Avvarian raids, rebels and insurgents, fanatics and cultists. Even in the height of Mage-Templar war the true disasters don't seem to be magic-related at all: those are painfully mundane consequences of war.

 

I don't say all this has much to do with mages and magic-related dangers, but please, don't try to deny "mundane" disasters as that is simply laughable.

 

Also, I know it's from some time ago, but this one I couldn't just get over as "lost point" in discussion:

1.They already said circle isn't slavery as mages aren't possession if you prefer live in lie your choice...

They're taken from their families (with no say in that) and usually never see them again (unless their family is important enough to pull some strings).

Thay're denied their own family; if a mage has a child, said child is taken from her right away and shipped to another country

They can't possess any land, hold any titles, the matter of any personal property is quite hazy; their work in the Circle enriches the Circle and not them personally (and much less their family, since, well, no family)

They have their career decided for them, at most they can decide on specialization

They are confined to their "home" with rare exceptions when they're allowed to leave, usually on some mission, and even that is restricted for the most loyal AND there are still those magical tracking devices

If they try to flee, they're killed or lobotomized or (if successful) they become hunted criminals for the rest of their lives

 

Now, please, tell me: does it describe a slave or a free person? It can be denied all day long, but the reality is that they ARE property of the Chantry and NOT people. A different label without all those bad connotations doesn't change that.

[TheKomandorShepard]

You know you're completely missing the point? Even if the Dales were actually solely responsible for the war (they were not) it wouldn't make a campaign leading to fall of a powerful nation and its people any less of disaster. And if Dales won (they came pretty close, EM actually turned the tide of the war) and commited atrocities comparable too what Orlais has done, it would STILL be a disaster. And, mind you, millions of City Elves continue to suffer through ages consequences of the disaster Exalted March was - did those city elves provoke someone too? Or maybe they are so dangerous they need to be held in Alienages, away from any positions of power including priesthood above sister/brother level?

Moving on - Qunari invasion is a disaster. EM directed against Qunari and mass-murdering of Qun converts in Rivain were disasters. And, incidentally, Tevinter mages are one of the main reasons why their war against Qunari is a stalemate - and from what we know of Qun, I think I would prefer ancient Tevinter to conquer Thedas all over again rather than let those guys win... 

Basically, Thedas is pretty much constantly in state of war, thousands - both combatants and not - dying everywhere. People suffering everywhere. Mage-Templar war is a disaster, but civil war in Orlais isn't any better. And if you pay attention to Ferelden, you notice that those idiots in Bannorn tend to wage their petty wars all the time.

Then there are bandits, Dalish bandits, Avvarian raids, rebels and insurgents, fanatics and cultists. Even in the height of Mage-Templar war the true disasters don't seem to be magic-related at all: those are painfully mundane consequences of war.

 

I don't say all this has much to do with mages and magic-related dangers, but please, don't try to deny "mundane" disasters as that is simply laughable.

 

Also, I know it's from some time ago, but this one I couldn't just get over as "lost point" in discussion:

They're taken from their families (with no say in that) and usually never see them again (unless their family is important enough to pull some strings).

Thay're denied their own family; if a mage has a child, said child is taken from her right away and shipped to another country

They can't possess any land, hold any titles, the matter of any personal property is quite hazy; their work in the Circle enriches the Circle and not them personally (and much less their family, since, well, no family)

They have their career decided for them, at most they can decide on specialization

They are confined to their "home" with rare exceptions when they're allowed to leave, usually on some mission, and even that is restricted for the most loyal AND there are still those magical tracking devices

If they try to flee, they're killed or lobotomized or (if successful) they become hunted criminals for the rest of their lives

 

Now, please, tell me: does it describe a slave or a free person? It can be denied all day long, but the reality is that they ARE property of the Chantry and NOT people. A different label without all those bad connotations doesn't change that.

War isn't disaster... and it is part of conflicting societies unless you will destroy whole human kind war will always exist and good luck with that no to mention that war goes for good of society unlike mages caused disasters when mages just cause destruction interests also war requires an army that is under society control when mage caused disaster 1 mage.As i said military can have nuclear bombs you can't for good reason.And pls just because there are thugs in our world doesn't mean nuclear weapon should be legal as i said don't even go with that logic.

 

Elves just got what they cooked themselves and and from what i remember they can join chantry and they did it is nothing mroe than racial prejudice don't like it kill human kind and as i said good luck with doing that.

 

As i said learn what disaster means because you use it like you used word slavery bandits aren't disaster and they are dealt with society because they are dangerous mages are much much more dangerous and as i said show me pls noble that tried or even had means to destroy world like mages then we can talk .

 

Slave is somone property "Slavery is a legal or economic system under which people are treated as property." mages aren't devs confirmed as i said you can delude yourself your choice won't change facts that circles aren't slavery as devs said circles are at worst prisons.

[Ieldra]

Use facts to support your arguments.

Hmm....I'll have to decline. There are no facts to support this argument...

 

 

....*runs away*

[rx00]

War isn't disaster.

 

Man ,now you're not even trying.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Man ,now you're not even trying.

War can lead to disaster but it isn't disaster.  

[Addai]

The choice of Divine makes absolutely no difference.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The choice of Divine makes absolutely no difference.

It makes for now in epilogues but i won't be suprised if it pretty much end on the same in next game after all in dai our choices previous in almost every case finished on same fate like cultists or dagna...

[Eliastion]

War isn't disaster... and it is part of conflicting societies unless you will destroy whole human kind war will always exist and good luck with that no to mention that war goes for good of society unlike mages caused disasters when mages just cause destruction interests also war requires an army that is under society control when mage caused disaster 1 mage.As i said military can have nuclear bombs you can't for good reason.And pls just because there are thugs in our world doesn't mean nuclear weapon should be legal as i said don't even go with that logic.

War is a disaster and saying it is a part of human nature does not change that. After all, natural disasters are part of nature pretty much by definition. Dangers of magic are part of nature of magic. And your favorite example of magical disaster - unleashing Darkspawn - was caused by a great project that consumed immense resources that the greatest empire of its time struggled to provide.

Also, with absolute monarchs the society has little to no control over many things - Celene and Gaspard are two people, society's control over them is pretty much nonexistent. Of course, an average peasant can't come even close to causing disasters a mage can create, but a person in power HAS power, even if the latter is not magical.

 

Elves just got what they cooked themselves and and from what i remember they can join chantry and they did it is nothing mroe than racial prejudice don't like it kill human kind and as i said good luck with doing that.

 

Ah, yeah, those evil elves didn't just quietly surrender to foreign culture and religion, but closed borders instead until rising tensions led to war.

That's definitely something deserving being wiped out, yeah.

(that was sarcasm, in case somebody missed it)

 

As i said learn what disaster means because you use it like you used word slavery bandits aren't disaster and they are dealt with society because they are dangerous mages are much much more dangerous and as i said show me pls noble that tried or even had means to destroy world like mages then we can talk .

It's a bit low and, obviously, Wikipedia isn't a reliable source, but I don't care enough to look for more reliable sources I could link, so here you are
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disaster

Human-Instigated disasters are the consequence of technological hazards. Examples include stampedes, fires, transport accidents, industrial accidents, oil spills and nuclear explosions/radiation. War and deliberate attacks may also be put in this category. As with natural hazards, man-made hazards are events that have not happened, for instance terrorism. Man-made disasters are examples of specific cases where man-made hazards have become reality in an event.
 

Slave is somone property "Slavery is a legal or economic system under which people are treated as property." mages aren't devs confirmed as i said you can delude yourself your choice won't change facts that circles aren't slavery as devs said circles are at worst prisons.

But they ARE treated as property, as I detailed in my post. Therefore it IS slavery even if the devs claim they are not property - the facts talk for themselves.

[Eliastion]

It makes for now in epilogues but i won't be suprised if it pretty much end on the same in next game after all in dai our choices previous in almost every case finished on same fate like cultists or dagna...

Oh, look, I found something we can agree on

I mean, really, there would be some background information or something, but including any real variation depending on what's the policy of the new Divine? That would require so much additional content with the average player seeing only a small part of it... it's not gonna happen.

 

Though I'm curious HOW they're going to sweep it under a rug. After all, existance or not of Circles/Templar Order seems like a big deal... unless the next installment just takes place in Tevinter.

[rx00]

Though I'm curious HOW they're going to sweep it under a rug.

The laziest way is to say things went back to same old **** after Divine Victoria(s) stepped down/ died, since this risk is the only common thing between these three candidates.

 

But yeah, this is lazy.

 

 

 

War can lead to disaster but it isn't disaster.

Oh, sure, go tell anyone who are/were under the state of war. I'm pretty sure you can still find plenty in real world.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Oh, look, I found something we can agree on

I mean, really, there would be some background information or something, but including any real variation depending on what's the policy of the new Divine? That would require so much additional content with the average player seeing only a small part of it... it's not gonna happen.

 

Though I'm curious HOW they're going to sweep it under a rug. After all, existance or not of Circles/Templar Order seems like a big deal... unless the next installment just takes place in Tevinter.

The devs have said the next game will take place in the North. Considering how all endings give mages more freedom and weaken the Templars, I wouldn't be surprised if the mages gained their freedom anyway. I wonder how pro-templars would react if that was the case.

[TheKomandorShepard]

War is a disaster and saying it is a part of human nature does not change that. After all, natural disasters are part of nature pretty much by definition. Dangers of magic are part of nature of magic. And your favorite example of magical disaster - unleashing Darkspawn - was caused by a great project that consumed immense resources that the greatest empire of its time struggled to provide.

Also, with absolute monarchs the society has little to no control over many things - Celene and Gaspard are two people, society's control over them is pretty much nonexistent. Of course, an average peasant can't come even close to causing disasters a mage can create, but a person in power HAS power, even if the latter is not magical.

 

Ah, yeah, those evil elves didn't just quietly surrender to foreign culture and religion, but closed borders instead until rising tensions led to war.

That's definitely something deserving being wiped out, yeah.

(that was sarcasm, in case somebody missed it)

 

It's a bit low and, obviously, Wikipedia isn't a reliable source, but I don't care enough to look for more reliable sources I could link, so here you are
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disaster

Human-Instigated disasters are the consequence of technological hazards. Examples include stampedes, fires, transport accidents, industrial accidents, oil spills and nuclear explosions/radiation. War and deliberate attacks may also be put in this category. As with natural hazards, man-made hazards are events that have not happened, for instance terrorism. Man-made disasters are examples of specific cases where man-made hazards have become reality in an event.
 

But they ARE treated as property, as I detailed in my post. Therefore it IS slavery even if the devs claim they are not property - the facts talk for themselves.

 

And it can't be changed unless human kind is destroyed what would be from human kind point abosuluty retarded to do aslo you ingored that wars are for good of society of course you ignored that unlike mage caused disaster that destroy everything around blights as an example.Empire was under mages control and only mage could go to the black city because of their power no mage no trip to the black city.

 

Not at all celene still had to play by orlais rules if celene does something that orlesian nobles don't like celene is dead it changes only with gaspard who is strong enough to hold his own ground.So yes she needs approval from her society.As i said show me a noble that caused blight like disaster or what things that corrypheus did...

 

From what i remember they attacked human settlement and got demloished by humans they can blame only themselves.

 

They aren't they have rights and aren't forced to work but have to live under society rules unless you want argue that we are all slaves because we live under society restrictions. Devs said as i keep telling circles aren't slavery and mages aren't property as inmates aren't.

 

 

Oh, look, I found something we can agree on

I mean, really, there would be some background information or something, but including any real variation depending on what's the policy of the new Divine? That would require so much additional content with the average player seeing only a small part of it... it's not gonna happen.

 

Though I'm curious HOW they're going to sweep it under a rug. After all, existance or not of Circles/Templar Order seems like a big deal... unless the next installment just takes place in Tevinter.

 

They prob will go "it didn't worked" even if they will place next game in tevinter sooner or later they will have to change place so sooner or later it will be brought into same fate.

[Ieldra]

Oh, look, I found something we can agree on

I mean, really, there would be some background information or something, but including any real variation depending on what's the policy of the new Divine? That would require so much additional content with the average player seeing only a small part of it... it's not gonna happen.

 

Though I'm curious HOW they're going to sweep it under a rug. After all, existance or not of Circles/Templar Order seems like a big deal... unless the next installment just takes place in Tevinter.

The next instalment will take place outside of the influence sphere of the Inquisition or the Orlesian Chantry. The divergence will be described to 90% in Codex entries. Specific Codex entries may be "bugged" because they forgot to account for all the variations while writing them, like Alistair's in DAI. Some events will be referred to in conversations in a minor way.

[Eliastion]

And it can't be changed unless human kind is destroyed what would be from human kind point abosuluty retarded to do aslo you ingored that wars are for good of society of course you ignored that unlike mage caused disaster that destroy everything around blights as an example.Empire was under mages control and only mage could go to the black city because of their power no mage no trip to the black city.

And what does it change? It was concentrated effort of the empire. Means were magical rather than technological, that doesn't change anything though - at that point it was no longer thing of personal power or being a mage.
And as for wars being supposedly for the good of society - how does it change anything? How exactly did Orlesian society benefit from the civil war? Some people in power thinking they deserve more, or that they know better what's best for society, or for world... And results are tragic, often there are no victors at all.

Not at all celene still had to play by orlais rules if celene does something that orlesian nobles don't like celene is dead it changes only with gaspard who is strong enough to hold his own ground. So yes she needs approval from her society. As i said show me a noble that caused blight like disaster or what things that corrypheus did...

Corypheus wanted to restore the glory of ancient Tevinter - doesn't that count as "for the good of society"?
However, you are right, Blight (something unleashed if not created by a powerful empire that failed at their greatest project) is a great menace, but it has little to do with matter of mages' freedom! It was an effort by the empire, including all its unparalelled military, magical and economical power. A disaster of this magnitude could very well happen even if the mages were working for a mundane ruler who had a stupid idea, be it reaching Golden City or creating a magical superweapon or whatever.
Also, when we're talking about blight, even with Cory's appearance it seems that they unleashed the Blight, true, but they're not responsible for its existance in our world, since Red Lyrium Idol at the very least supposedly predates the trip to Golden City.
 

From what i remember they attacked human settlement and got demloished by humans they can blame only themselves.

There were aggressive attempts at converting the Dales that led to the latter closing its borders. As time passed, relations deteriorated even further, leading to some skirmishes. As for Red Crossing, the spark - not the real reason for war - it seemingly went like that:
- an elven girl was killed because, you know, evil elves
- there was a romance between an elf and a human girl, the former willing to pay lip service to Chantry so that they could've been together
- dead elven girl's sister discovered the romance
- elves got scared that the guy could betray them but they didn't manage to properly talk to him, he seemingly went to the human village, so they followed to stop him before he would endanger them
- rather than find the elf, they encountered the girl, she run to them with something in her hand, the elf (the one who lost her sister) shot an arrow. The something in human girl's hand proved to be daisies... she apparently run from her village to meet with her lover and in the dark she took an elf she saw for the one she was there to find...
- a group of men from the village heard a scream and run toward its source, they attacked the elves and got slaughtered
- the lover of the girl arrived and refused to leave, that slowed down the rest and gave people of Red Crossing time to gather in greater numbers and attack; it seems that the elves retreated, but apparently even more deaths ensued
- from that point it escalated further. It doesn't seem that Red Crossing itself got destroyed (at that point at least) but heavy casualties were most likely a fact
After the full-scale war erupted, Dalish initially got the upper hand, they pushed far into Orlais and captured Val Royeaux. The Exalted March, however, finally managed to turn the tide, in the end it defeated Dales. What measures were taken to ensure that elves won't rise again - that much is history. How many people died in the process of forced relocations and other such nicieties we can only guess as the only one who could have any reliable accounts was the victorious Chantry with mindset that retconning out elven involvement in original Exalted March, complete with destruction of any Chantry art depicting elves, was a good idea; any records they have from this period are not only incomplete and old, but most likely deliberately false...

Either way, saying that "they can only blame themselves" about descendants of victims of conquest, even if their ancestors were originally part of a nation that actually started the war... it's just sickening, frankly.
 

They aren't they have rights and aren't forced to work but have to live under society rules unless you want argue that we are all slaves because we live under society restrictions. Devs said as i keep telling circles aren't slavery and mages aren't property as inmates aren't.

We are not slaves, we can decide about ourselves in many areas, mages don't really have any personal freedoms.Of course, then there are Qunari who managed to build a society where everyone is a slave (way to go, Qunari! ). The question is, basically whether people in question are perceived as people or as things or animals - and the treatment of mage's family matters is where the systems shows its true colors the most.
Either way, if you're so uncomfortable with the - very applicable - word "slave", what do you propose as alternative? Prisoner, sentenced for being a mage? But wait, prisoners as we understand the term are generally allowed to have their families... so what else?

[Master Warder Z_]

Honestly personal freedom is sort of a running myth in Thedas anyway.

Your born, you work and you die all in the same province your family has in the same country for centuries unless if situations prompt relocation.