RNG can make the damage different but I got both bows with 152 damage (200 dps using suberb rune)
The differences:
Punched by the Maker got a grip slot, 10% walking bomb 5 seconds 50% dmg, 16% crit chance.
Longbow of the Griffon has 42% attack and 3 shots when attacking.
Even for archers and some builds for hunter where the 3 shots mostly miss I would say the 42% attack is so huge that it is the better bow.
Griffon is outright better, +42% attack can not be argued against even if you ignore the point-blank power of three shots.
In routine, the walking bomb from PbtM seems great, but it really isn't much damage.
I'd actually rate the Bow of Cruel Redemption above Punched by the Maker because heal on hit is pretty great.
I'd actually rate the Bow of Cruel Redemption above Punched by the Maker because heal on hit is pretty great.
Same. Even though that 1% might look a bit low, but the Bow of Cruel Redemption is actually pretty sick, heals you nicely if you successfully land a Leaping Shot on someone. Now I always use the Leaping Shot as a means to self-heal in extreme situations. Especially if you land one on a Boss from close range you'd never miss and heal for like min-8 to max-12%.
PBM for the Archer and Griffon for the Hunter, but at the end of the day it comes down to personal preference 
Griffon is the stronger of the two (even ignoring the triple shot mechanic).
PBtM has crit chance.
Griffon for Hunter, Punch for Archer.
The archer is the typical Sniper; the crit works wonderfully for him, especially with Archer's Lance, which is probably the best opening attack in the game next to firestorm. He should never be close enough for Griffon to get its shots off; he simply doesn't have the tools to make close range play safe.
Hunter is the complete opposite. Outside of Full Draw, almost all of his skills are close range. The Razor's Edge passive reinforces this. The Griffon Bow practically turns him into another character. Take Stealth, and normal attacks from the Griffon will drop nearly any nonboss on Threatening in one shot. After Leaping Shot, get close up for an equally powerful shotgun-esque blast. Hell, combine the two: Stealth after Leaping Shot, and your next shot from the Griffon will be just as powerful as Leaping Shot itself. Since you're so close getting 3 crits on many of your attacks, Stealth cools down quicker than you'd expect, and Easy to Miss keeps you safe within that range, with Stealth and Leaping Shot to fall back on. Honestly, I tried to go back to Punch with the Hunter, but an Archer will always outplay a Hunter at range, and 1 arrow just doesn't cut it at melee range.
but really crit chance doesn't do much against so much attack. a base crit hit does 40% extra dmg which is less than the 42% attack unless you have extra crit dmg.
but really crit chance doesn't do much against so much attack. a base crit hit does 40% extra dmg which is less than the 42% attack unless you have extra crit dmg.
The crit chance for archers is very important for two passive skills:
- Opportunity Knocks – Crits reduce cooldowns by 0.5 secs, +3 Cun
- Looked like it Hurt – Crits regen 10 sta, +3 Cun
If you have a high crit chance as an archer you can actually spam archer's lance and your others skill because every single
critical hit reduces your cooldown and gives you stamina!
With those skills and a high crit chance I actually don't ever have to wait for my skills to cooldown.
I personaly prefer bow of Grifon over PBM, since i have alot of cunning already.
The 42% atack is no joke, and triple shot after leaping shot is devastating.
P.S: Yesterday i got high dmg grifon bow(4 more dmg than my old one) AND 15% cd amu, in one chest... i was like WHAAT? Rnd GOD Thx alot.
The crit chance for archers is very important for two passive skills:
- Opportunity Knocks – Crits reduce cooldowns by 0.5 secs, +3 Cun
- Looked like it Hurt – Crits regen 10 sta, +3 Cun
If you have a high crit chance as an archer you can actually spam archer's lance and your others skill because every single
critical hit reduces your cooldown and gives you stamina!
With those skills and a high crit chance I actually don't ever have to wait for my skills to cooldown.
Opportunity Knocks is triggered by the crits by your allies, your Maker's crit chance doesn't affect the ability at all. Of course it's possible that your own crits can trigger it, it would not be the first skill that doesn't work properly, yet even if this were the case the skill is still minimally affected by the crit% on Maker.
Looked like it Hurt also isn't significantly influenced by Maker, the average Stamina gain per hit due to the crit% on Maker is 1.6 stamina - hardly game-changing.
The reality is the +42% attack on Griffon is so significant that Maker doesn't even get consideration for "best bow" from me, if it were not for the fact that you can put an ornate grip on it I wouldn't even consider maker for second best.
Say for arguments sake that you have one of each, with 152 damage like the OP, and through gear and build your Archer has +35% attack.
You average base-line damage for attacks and skills will then be:
Maker 216
Griffon 269
That difference is significant, and skills only make the gap wider.
Leaping Shot? Maker 1296, Griffon 1614 (Rolling Draw follow-up: Maker 432, Griffon 538/1076/1614 depending on how many arrows hit, incidentally this is why Griffon is absolute no contest best for a Hunter)
Long Shot? Maker 1344, Griffon 1450 (first target)
(I've assumed a +14 willpower grip in the above calcs)
The sad thing about Maker is that +16% crit chance is only worth about +10% attack in terms of real damage, and that actually diminishes the closer your base crit% gets to 100. Even if you trick it out with +14 willpower and an extra +7% crit from an ornate grip, it's still only peaking around the equivalent to +23-24% attack.
Is Maker a great bow? Yeah.
As good as Griffon? Look, if your base crit% without the bow is 75, confirmation bias will almost surely convince you it is (it's still not)
Better than Griffon? Maker does less damage, what can I say?
Opportunity Knocks is triggered by the crits by your allies, your Maker's crit chance doesn't affect the ability at all. Of course it's possible that your own crits can trigger it, it would not be the first skill that doesn't work properly, yet even if this were the case the skill is still minimally affected by the crit% on Maker.
Yes this is actually the case, your own crits do count even though the description says "allies". The game considers yourself an ally of yourself.
Looked like it Hurt also isn't significantly influenced by Maker, the average Stamina gain per hit due to the crit% on Maker is 1.6 stamina - hardly game-changing.
There are skills on the archer that cause multiple hits at once most noticable Leaping Shot.
While one single crit hit does not do much to reduce your cooldown or regain stamina you can use those skills that
cause several hits at once and you can cooldown almost immediately your other skills.
Thats why you can spam leaping shot and long shot right after one another.
Leaping shot has become a recharge ability at this point for me.
I make a long shot, then a leaping shot and that leaping shot recharges my long shot. And I start anew.
Of course if you have a very high cunning value then the 16% from the bow dont add much.
It certainly depends on your playstayle, skill tree, base stats and so on anway.
Which is why I'd refrain from calling one bow superior over the other at this point.
Might change my opinion though later on
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