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[AresKeith]

Add this to helping Fiona (an elf) help the mages (elves have an affinity for magic), and it looks like the Time of the Elves is nigh. 

 

And we saw how that ended for them the first time 

[Drasanil]

Add this to helping Fiona (an elf) help the mages (elves have an affinity for magic), and it looks like the Time of the Elves is nigh. 

 

Well, only if you discount the fact that both elves and mages [and frankly everyone else for that matter] would be better off with Fiona out of the picture. Lest some of her fail rub off on them.

[Ryzaki]

Yeah even my pro elf characters run away from Fiona. What a disaster of a leader.

[AresKeith]

Well, only if you discount the fact that both elves and mages [and frankly everyone else for that matter] would be better off with Fiona out of the picture. Lest some of her fail rub off on them.

 

She'll sell them as slaves to the Qunari next time

[Master Warder Z_]

You're talking about it being ironic that up until Germany because Germany, people thought France was hella boss. I'm saying. People don't actually think France is full of pomps. Not any educated ones, anyway.

It's actually about the fourth or third strongest nation in the world.

In terms of capacity for power projection and martial strength.

[Roamingmachine]

Oh look, this thread is overrun with elf-bashing trolls. What a surprise.

Yup. Saw the title, guessed the contents of the first post and knew right off the bat that the usual trolling would ensue.

All this thread deserves now is a Sera.

[Drasanil]

Oh look, this thread is overrun with elf-bashing trolls. What a surprise.

 

Yup, because pointing out that Fiona is hardly the best candidate to champion any cause, as she aptly demonstrated in game, and that reasonably savvy people might not want to be associated with her as consequence of said terrible leadership is totally trolling.

[Eliastion]

Seriously - they literally had "their own" castle granted to them by Fereldan crown. How dumb would they need to be to antagonize Ferelden while selling themselves to Tevinter at the same time? I know the war wasn't going all that well, but SERIOUSLY. If they really needed an ally that badly, at the cost of freedom, they should've pledged allegiance to Ferelden - it was already invested in their cause and looking at them favourably to an extent... They gave them asylum, ffs! They were a small step away from full alliance and it's not like the mages had nothing to offer as the region burned and Fereldan forces were obviously very short-handed. 

Bu nooo. Let's make a deal with shady Magister that suddenly popped up.

 

I really wish I there were an option to take in the mages AND execute Fiona for crimes against her own people.

 

EDIT: And for elf-bashing accusations here: my dalish elf led Inquisition "setting example as an elf" in the world where the 5th blight was stopped by an elf I'm proud to say that in "my" DA there are elves perfectly suited for leadership positions.

It's just that Fiona - most definitely - isn't one of them  

[Dean_the_Young]

so who else saw the dagger with the Chalons crest and immediately knew Gaspard was innocent?

 

I knew (or suspected), but I enjoyed playing an Inquisitor who was duped. It's rather charming, actually.

 

Though I was disappointed I didn't see an option for a big reveal at the end. I sort of 'I knew you were trying to fool me, and I didn't care. I just went along with it until you revealed yourself.'
 

[Dean_the_Young]

She'll sell them as slaves to the Qunari next time

 

'There's a massive rogue Templar army right over those hills! Right over those hills! Submit to the Qun, and my personal detachment will protect you. Sign here on the dotted line and... oh, what do you know, Ben'hassrath tell me they're gone now. You should be grateful!'

[KaiserShep]

I knew (or suspected), but I enjoyed playing an Inquisitor who was duped. It's rather charming, actually.

 

Though I was disappointed I didn't see an option for a big reveal at the end. I sort of 'I knew you were trying to fool me, and I didn't care. I just went along with it until you revealed yourself.'
 

 

I'm reminded of the dialogue you can have on the balcony with whichever companion after it's all done and the party continues, where you can possibly express guilt over what happened to Gaspard. I kind of took it to mean that the Inquisitor can feel bad about going along with what seemed to be a total setup, but I'm not sure what the lines actually say beyond the paraphrase, 'cause I spent all the guilt on wiping out the brown nugs in the Emerald Graves.

[Dean_the_Young]

I'm reminded of the dialogue you can have on the balcony with whichever companion after it's all done and the party continues, where you can possibly express guilt over what happened to Gaspard. I kind of took it to mean that the Inquisitor can feel bad about going along with what seemed to be a total setup, but I'm not sure what the lines actually say beyond the paraphrase, 'cause I spent all the guilt on wiping out the brown nugs in the Emerald Graves.

 

I took that line. I don't think it mentions the set-up at all- just general regret that he had to die for victory..

[LadyCass]

First time I did the Winter Palace, I didn't have enough hallas to get the blackmail on Celene and then felt bad about just letting someone get stabbed right in front of me. Next thing I know, Gaspard is sentenced to be executed and Briala, despite me trying to fast-talk as best I can to get her in a better position, is exiled for life.

 

Exiled. For trying to save the Empress. I'll let that one sink in there for a moment. Briala was there for peace talks, somehow found out about a plot on Celene's life and tries to stop it, and the cow still exiles her. And I get the feeling that if she could have managed it, she would have chopped off Briala's head as well.

 

I agonised for a day or so and then reloaded the save and let her get stabbed. It meant I had to fight Florian, and didn't get the awesome reveal moment, but it was much more satisfying. If I'd had the option to tell Leliana that the moment Briala dies, Gaspard gets the chop as well, however, I would have. I can see the inevitable backlash coming.

 

I also put a hardened Leliana on the Divine's seat, on purpose, as that would either destroy the Chantry or reform it into something unrecognisable. Those two options combined meant that elves started being able to be nobility, priests and other such things.

 

The Dalish also fought in the war against Corypheus and the assault on the Archdemon. Dalish Inquisitor, Dalish Hero of Ferelden, and a Hawke who loves Fenris, and convinced Merrill to stop her madness with the mirror and help elves in Kirkwall Alienage. Not to mention the Inquisitor drank from the Well and will be trying to pass along what knowledge of the ancient elves she gets to her people.

 

In my game, it's looking pretty good for elves.

 

Spoiler

Apart from the bit at the end though... Solas saying "The People need me" and what happens next doesn't exactly bode well for elven relations if he going to do... something. And what was all that to Abelas about telling him that there is place for him to go, with elves like Solas. That sort of implies some kind of ancient elven holdout, no?

 

To be honest, Solas worries me greatly. Doesn't help that him and the Dalish Inquisitor did not get on.

[TheTsar_]

The last thing Thedas needs is a bunch of social outcast gaining that much power in so little time. 

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Add this to helping Fiona (an elf) help the mages (elves have an affinity for magic), and it looks like the Time of the Elves is nigh. 

I wouldn't say helping Fiona is good for the elves tbh, she's an incompetent idiot who would most likely make things worse for them

[Dean_the_Young]

I wouldn't say helping Fiona is good for the elves tbh, she's an incompetent idiot who would most likely make things worse for them

 

Nor does she particularly identify with them.

 

If you asked Fiona what race she was, she'd probably answer 'mage.' By and large, in Southern Thedas 'do you have magic, yes/no' is the far more relevant identifier. An elf who is a mage is treated and considered a mage, much like a human with magic. City-elf dynamics need not apply.

[Steelcan]

I knew (or suspected), but I enjoyed playing an Inquisitor who was duped. It's rather charming, actually.

 

Though I was disappointed I didn't see an option for a big reveal at the end. I sort of 'I knew you were trying to fool me, and I didn't care. I just went along with it until you revealed yourself.'
 

There is the "expose Florianne" option that does have hints of this

[Steelcan]

Oh look, this thread is overrun with elf-bashing trolls. What a surprise.

we aren't even talking about the Dalish

 

lighten up

[EmissaryofLies]

Yup. Saw the title, guessed the contents of the first post and knew right off the bat that the usual trolling would ensue.

All this thread deserves now is a Sera.

 

Sera?

[Br3admax]

There is the "expose Florianne" option that does have hints of this

I'm not letting Celene live to see that. 

[Eliastion]

Nor does she particularly identify with them.

 

If you asked Fiona what race she was, she'd probably answer 'mage.' By and large, in Southern Thedas 'do you have magic, yes/no' is the far more relevant identifier. An elf who is a mage is treated and considered a mage, much like a human with magic. City-elf dynamics need not apply.

Circles go to great lengths to sever any connections the mages could have to their family/community - and, although there is no set age the magic manifests at, it tends to happen to children (the oldest seem to be in their early teens). So unless you come from non-human and/or non-andrastian background, your "race" gets mage-override by the time you have any chance to actually see the outside of the tower again.

You can play an elf that actually cares for the fact of being one, but that would be an exception rather than rule - and it would also probably imply being one of the oldest children to actually manifest magic (or be discovered, at the very least). 

[ctd757]

Well I'm not surprised of the elf dislike but I feel elves will have to play a major role.

[EmissaryofLies]

Well I'm not surprised of the elf dislike but I feel elves will have to play a major role.

 

Surely as hive mind antagonists, of which the pc will indiscriminately mow down for the glory of Andraste. Bonus points if they are Dalish.