I never played Mass Effect (and I don't ever intend to, irrespective of ME3's ending). How is it supposed to be pronounced? "Dehn" or "dahn/dan"? Because saying "Kai-dan" is hard-ish, and could easily have them confuse the 'a' for an 'e,' while Leliana is pronounced "Lel-ee" not "Lil-ee," so the distinction for her name should be quiet clear.
Not to people who are not native speakers.
Well personally I can't pronounce english really so I haven't much though of pronounciation stuff ^^;
I wonder why it would carry to written text though? Or maybe people play without subtitles and just assume how the name is written. Or then they just want to be rebels.
Well, the subtitles are shown whether they are on or not when the characters stop talking, and it comes time for the player to select a line.
Not to people who are not native speakers.
You'll have to explain to me what "native" speakers are, 'cause I have no idea.
Oh look, I've derailed the thread!
Well, the subtitles are shown whether they are on or not when the characters stop talking, and it comes time for the player to select a line.
So everyone should known how the names are written. Idk, maybe some people like Liliana better.
You'll have to explain to me what "native" speakers are, 'cause I have no idea.
Oh look, I've derailed the thread!
Native as in English speaking by birth. The way we learn to speak a language and what sounds we can distinguish is programmed into our brain in our first months of existence, further in our life we pick up additional sounds via our environment and training. If our environment and training does not supplies us enough of a particular sound we might be unable to hear it as a separate different sound or even at all (not to mention pronouncing it) and as result our brain will compensate it with a similar sound.
Monolingual and multilingual people have different speech patterns when speaking and hearing the same exact language because of it, hence why people speak with accent. People from a same lingual group but who live in different area have different accent for the same reason.
So everyone should known how the names are written. Idk, maybe some people like Liliana better.
There is a Polish, Russian and German versions of the game I think. I wonder if those have any English subtitles.
The reason may be that the distinction between "ɛ", "ə" and "ɪ" is not phonetically significant in many languages (this means that there can be no word pairs that differ by only that and have different meanings), and subtle even in many variants of English. For instance, I'm German and didn't even notice that Varric pronounces the name differently.P.S. Why in the hell do people call her "Liliana"? The 'e' is quite clearly there. Soooo many people get that wrong. Heck, even Varric Tethras/Brian Bloom calls her "Lil-lee-an-ah" when he asks Solas who is the broodiest or whatever in banter. The OP obviously thought that that was her name, considering the careful(-ish?) writing.
Oh my god. What's a future Bioware not gonna be like if Bioware starts pleasing minorities any more than they already do. Imagine Mass Effect 6: every scene has at least one character of each sexuality in them, and there needs to be at least one plug for trangenderism in a main mission, two gay themed companion quests and a city where only bisexual nudists live.
Bioware is already pleasing crowds waaaaaaaay too much IMO. Good with some homosexual representation - really anything that reflects our society as it can contribute to making the story more insightful, but it not if it cheapens the fiction or lore. Dorian was on the verge of being too much of an immersion breaker.
Game of Thrones sold me better on how it treated its gay characters. It's low fantasy and has a lot of medieval symmetries, you know, back when gay could make one's death justified. Honestly that's how I prefer medieval fantasies. Not because I'm anti gay, but because I think it makes it more authentic.
There's a codex entry - you can unlock it somewhere in Emerald Graves, if memory serves, saying basically that in Thedas, what happens in bedroom is no ones business (as long as it's between consenting adults, of course). I persoanlly, was very happy when I read it.
I really don't understand why medieval "approach" would make it more authentic. DA is not medieval fantasy. It's a fantasy.
And if we go this way - next thing you'd be asking is for women to be excluded from Theodosian military, right? After all it wasn't a norm in our medieval culture, neither....
Native as in English speaking by birth. The way we learn to speak a language and what sounds we can distinguish is programmed into our brain in our first months of existence, further in our live we pick up additional sounds via our environment and training. If our environment and training does not supplies us enough of a particular sound we might be unable to hear it as a separate different sound or even at all (not to mention pronouncing it) and as result our brain will compensate it with a similar sound.
Monolingual and multilingual people have different speech patterns when speaking and hearing the same exact language because of it, hence why people speak with accent. People from a same lingual group but who live in different area have different accent for the same reason.
Sorry, I misread what you said, and it confused me. I thought you said "native speakers" not, "not native speakers". So I took it to mean you assumed I wasn't native to English, thus you got that sentence I wrote wrong. I would've known what you meant by "native" had I noticed the 'not'.
The reason may be that the distinction between "ɛ", "ə" and "ɪ" is not phonetically significant in many languages (this means that there can be no word pairs that differ by only that and have different meanings), and subtle even in many variants of English. For instance, I'm German and didn't even notice that Varric pronounces the name differently.
I guess this is why they say "English is the hardest language to learn."
Still, people should use the subtitles if they're not completely fluent in the spoken language, thus these pronunciation problems should be next-to non-existent. It really bugs me how people get these things wrong in Dragon Age, but the worst thing they get wrong is when they call it "Awakenings" not "Awakening". There's no good reason for people to get that wrong.
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Just thought I'd mention, in Origins, most people pronounce (Arl) Eamon Guerrin's name "ee-mon", while Loghain's VA says it "ay-mon".
This troll thread annoys me greatly. 
This derailment is better than the actual 'Purpose' of this thread.
I totally agree. BioWare gets enough of this equality-in-their-games crap as it is, and rarely do we get a conversation about the real world's real cultural differences.
I have to admit that one of my favorite things about DA:I was diversity. The War Table was the place where the leaders of inquisition gathered. At the core of Inquisition were five people:
Cassandra: White female, straight
Liliana: White female, bi
Josephine: Indian female, bi
Morrigan: White, straight
Cullen: White, straight
Besides a representative of the african american descend, who is missing? A gay person. I think for a game that is constantly praised for being all inclusive, emitting a gay leader is quite a shame. I'm sincerely hoping that BioWare will resolve this concern through a patch or a DLC.
EDIT: Lets try to keep things civil here, people. No point in insults. This is a thread of peaceful democracy, a call for a gay representative on the Inquisition's leadership. Besides, it makes little sense to leave out a gay rep, plot wise. Like, if I was a gay soldier (I'm straight IRL btw, but if I roleplay a female she's always lesbian), I would want someone who understands my issues up there at the map, calling shots. "No Inquisitation with out representation!".
I don't get it, they shouldn't have like a checklist of minorities.
"Oh we need a gay character important!"
I am vehemently opposed to that. Having important character who happens to be gay? oh yeah I can dig that.
Using the subtitles makes it worse, actually, since there are many, many English words where you speak an "ɪ" but write an "e", especially in RP.I guess this is why they say "English is the hardest language to learn."
Still, people should use the subtitles if they're not completely fluent in the spoken language, thus these pronunciation problems should be next-to non-existent. It really bugs me how people get these things wrong in Dragon Age, but the worst thing they get wrong is when they call it "Awakenings" not "Awakening". There's no good reason for people to get that wrong.
Using the subtitles makes it worse, actually, since there are many, many English words where you speak an "ɪ" but write an "e", especially in RP.
Having said that, yeah, people misspell names all the time and I find it annoying, too. I go to some lengths to avoid it but sometimes I'm just in too much of a hurry to look it up if I don't recall the spelling exactly. So I know this can happen even if you're normally careful. Meanwhile, I could post epic rants about *careless* misspellings of names.
And this should be a separate topic. I hate to post in a troll thread.
Is it really a troll thread? Surely there'd be some obvious clues that can't just be them stating their opinions.
Anyway, I never have trouble with spelling names, at least not in Dragon Age. Except when it's a funny spelling of a made up word or name, especially long ones. If you hear the word and see the spelling, it shouldn't be hard. Subtitles or no subtitles, as long as the names are spelt the same above the characters' heads, you should be constantly exposed to how they are written. Unfortunately, you generally have to have a cursor over the character to see their name in Dragon Age, unless it's different on console, but I wouldn't touch a fantasy RPG on console.
i had to keep correcting my husband whenever he kept mispronouncing leliana's name, although i think it's largely due to him hearing varric mispronounce it a lot in his playthrough.
it does really bug me when people misspell a character's name, but i try to give them the benefit of the doubt (like maybe they don't play with subs on). i've seen morrigan spelt as morrighan, isabela as isabella is a common one, varric as verric, etc etc.
on a slightly different topic, is anyone else a little irked by the change in elven pronunciation again? such as eluvian: it was eh-loo-vee-AHN in DA2, but it's eh-LOO-vee-un in DAI. i think arlathan was also changed from AR-la-than in DA2 to ar-la-THAN in DAI. i dunno, personally i preferred the way the words were pronounced in DA2.
i had to keep correcting my husband whenever he kept mispronouncing leliana's name, although i think it's largely due to him hearing varric mispronounce it a lot in his playthrough.
it does really bug me when people misspell a character's name, but i try to give them the benefit of the doubt (like maybe they don't play with subs on). i've seen morrigan spelt as morrighan, isabela as isabella is a common one, varric as verric, etc etc.
on a slightly different topic, is anyone else a little irked by the change in elven pronunciation again? such as eluvian: it was eh-loo-vee-AHN in DA2, but it's eh-LOO-vee-un in DAI. i think arlathan was also changed from AR-la-than in DA2 to ar-la-THAN in DAI. i dunno, personally i preferred the way the words were pronounced in DA2.
BioWare never can seem to get their elves straight in this franchise. First they change their heights, noses, eyes, accents and Marethari's hairstyle in DA2, now they've changed the noses back slightly, changed the eyes significantly, and there are Dalish elves with Welsh or Scottish accents, but the Dalish Elf PC doesn't get that, even though we hear no evidence that Dalish elves with a British or American accent even exist.
Even the pronunciation of Dumat went from "du-mah" to "du-maht". Is the 't' silent or not?
I can't believe people are taking this thread seriously. Like...really?
OP you've outdone your self. You've truly created the perfect troll thread and for that, I applaud you.
I can't believe people are taking this thread seriously. Like...really?
OP you've outdone your self. You've truly created the perfect troll thread and for that, I applaud you.
Behold! My beloved derailment topic from a page ago!
I think that has more to do with the lack of a proper pronunciation guide at Bioware. The people who guide the voice actors should have a document made by the lore team where prounciations are written down in IPA. "ɛ'lu:vian" is how I'd proncounce it without any guide.on a slightly different topic, is anyone else a little irked by the change in elven pronunciation again? such as eluvian: it was eh-loo-vee-AHN in DA2, but it's eh-LOO-vee-un in DAI. i think arlathan was also changed from AR-la-than in DA2 to ar-la-THAN in DAI. i dunno, personally i preferred the way the words were pronounced in DA2.
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I dated an asexual (well, she was before me and her started dating, haha) , so I'm well aware of asexuality.
You can't seal treaties or get money for your cause just by flirting in politics. You need action. As seen in the novels and games, there are many gay nobles and people of power. Having a gay adviser would give us an upper had.
I have further arguments to invalidate what you said, but that was some of the most offensive **** I've ever read that I'm not even going to bother.
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Not trolling: I don't understand exactly. Do 'asexuals' who like sex kind of force themselves to try sex then, to please their love interest, maybe, and then find that they like the sexual act? Or is it something else entirely?
Seems to me that 'asexuals' are shy/young people who need time, luck and the right partner.
This ignorant comment makes me want to cry.
No, that's not how it works.
Asexuality means you aren't sexually attracted to people. Meaning if you see someone you won't be like, "Damn, I'd like to have sex with them."
This ignorant comment makes me want to cry.
No, that's not how it works.
Asexuality means you aren't sexually attracted to people. Meaning if you see someone you won't be like, "Damn, I'd like to have sex with them."
Sorry, I'm from France and all my family were Freudian psychoanalysts.
Asexual is a NA behaviorist psychology 'thing', used to describe a situation which can lead to some very different conclusions in other theories.
Before joining the BSN, I've never even heard of such things as asexual (which is an heresy in psychology, anthropology...) demi-sexuals, other kin and other NA nonsense wild theories popular with teenagers these days.
I was only responding to the bolded (emphasis added by me) part of your comment.
How can you be a(a- from classical Greek, meaning absence, lack of something)sexual and enjoy sex? Isn't that a contradiction in terms? Like OK why not, like having a burger? Been the same for a lot of people since forever, you know, guys and gals. Depends on your mood, your age, your energy.
Listen I'll stop there. If it makes you happy to define yourself as such, good for you.
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