Sorry, but every races comes with a history, and I won't be colorblind to that. Some are still mistreated than others. So no, there isn't just the human "race" as long as prejudices still exist, but I won't get into this.
That's culture, bro.
Are you taking a philosophy class or something? Because you really can't just start making up how living things are classified, whether they are people or trees.
Humans are the ones who classify it. For social reasons more than anything. Social construct.
Humans are the ones who classify it.
Well, more specifically, scientists are the ones who classify it. Are you a scientist? Have you written a peer-reviewed paper soon to be published that will turn the scientific community on its head with the theory that race is a social construct and nothing more?
Besides, the humans at Princeton University disagree with you. Specifically: "As a biological term, race denotes genetically divergent human populations that can be marked by common phenotypic traits."
Well, more specifically, scientists are the ones who classify it. Are you a scientist? Have you written a peer-reviewed paper soon to be published that will turn the scientific community on its head with the theory that race is a social construct and nothing more?
Besides, the humans at Princeton University disagree with you. Specifically: "As a biological term, race denotes genetically divergent human populations that can be marked by common phenotypic traits."
I'm aware, and how scientists define things do change. For instance, humans weren't always considered apes.
The differences aren't enough for me to take it seriously, not when black white, all that started as non scientific distinctions. Just based on skin color.
The Solas thread was like 1,000+ pages long before the game came out so...
The argument goes something like this, and is not the property of philosophy, but anthropology (cultural and biological) and genomics: The one race (human) has been separated into discrete groups based on observable phenotypic variance (eye color, skin color, hair texture, among other things). One defining trait of race is the inability to reproduce with those who are outside of it. If there really were biological races, then we couldn't interbreed- that's part of the argument, anyway.
Also, regarding classification- Linnaean taxonomy may still be the standard, but a lot of Linnaeus's original human classifications have been dropped over time because they were well, racist: ****** Americanus; ****** Asiaticus, ****** Europeanus etc. Now only "Human" remains. In any case, the mainstream scientific community at large stopped validating the idea of there being biological "races" a while ago. Compare racial discussion before and after the Human Genome project and you can definitely see a difference. http://harvardmagazi...etic-world-html
But none of this negates that race is a social and cultural reality, with actual ramifications. And now I'm out, because tbh, I don't find Solas very interesting. But jeebus OP, different strokes, etc.
I'm aware, and how scientists define things do change. For instance, humans weren't always considered apes.
The differences aren't enough for me to take it seriously, not when black white, all that started as non scientific distinctions. Just based on skin color.
Scientific classification did not start merely as skin color. Skin color is one denotation, but so is bone structure and height. But hey, if you're going to go with "all humans are the same" then at least call us the human species and not the human race.
The argument goes something like this, and is not the property of philosophy, but anthropology (cultural and biological): The one race (human) has been separated into discrete groups based on observable phenotypic variance (eye color, skin color, hair texture, among other things). One defining trait of race is the inability to reproduce with those who are outside of it. If there really were biological races, then we couldn't interbreed- that's part of the argument, anyway.
Also, regarding classification- Linnaean taxonomy may still be the standard, but a lot of Linnaeus's original human classifications have been dropped over time because they were well, racist: ****** Americanus; ****** Asiaticus, ****** Europeanus etc. Now only "Human" remains. In any case, the mainstream scientific community at large stopped validating the idea of there being biological "races" a while ago. Compare racial discussion before and after the Human Genome project and you can definitely see a difference.
But none of this negates that race is a social and cultural reality, with actual ramifications. And now I'm out, because tbh, I don't find Solas very interesting. But jeebus OP, different strokes, etc.
Thank you, well said 
I do understand obviously that race in our world exists with social and cultural ramifications, and you can make an argument that this means it can be applied to Dragon Age because of it. I however don't, because racism in their world isn't quite the same. For instance, dwarves do in fact suck ass at magic. Whites do not factually suck at dancing... the differences in their world are far greater. Racism in our world had more power as a word because it's based on something not actually real, making it a lot more ignorant.
Scientific classification did not start merely as skin color. Skin color is one denotation, but so is bone structure and height. But hey, if you're going to go with "all humans are the same" then at least call us the human species and not the human race.
See above.
See above.
Have you thought about fighting your own battles?
Technically yes, we are definitely a single species- 'race' is a subcategory of species. It would be nice if the distinction were made more often, but as a culture, we are very hung up on differences as measurements of worth, so race is the more used word. Sadly. :/
Have you thought about fighting your own battles?
I've been fighting my own battles. Someone else showed what I was saying much better than I could have. Am I supposed to ignore it? Don't get mad, beb.
I've been fighting my own battles. Someone else showed what I was saying much better than I could have. Am I supposed to ignore it? Don't get mad, beb.
Remember this, the next time you start throwing science around when you don't have the means to back it up yourself.
Remember this, the next time you start throwing science around when you don't have the means to back it up yourself.
Can we get to a more constructive argument? Like Pie vs. Cake.
I'm on Team Cake. Burn the heathens on Team Pie.
Solas likes the frilly Orlesian cakes.
I didn't need to, seeing as how what I said was good enough apparently. And someone else came in and supported my argument and now you couldn't be more butthurt about it, and honestly it's funny as hell. Thanks for playing.
You didn't have an argument. A statement that you heard from Discovery Channel is not an argument. And he kind of supported you, but do you know that guy other than that he agreed with you? I don't. I'm sure that you appreciate that he said what you didn't have the means or knowledge to say however. So, congrats on someone agreeing with you.
The problem is, Solas needs to just get laid...... I mean after that long slumber, the poor guy. Of course he took it out on that fine piece of ass, Flemeth, at the end.
Hmm...I was going to post here, but I think I prefer sticking to my safe places: The Cullen thread, The Solas thread, The Dorian thread, and The Iron Bull thread.
Although I will leave a little screenie to depict my reaction to all these posts:
Remember this, the next time you start throwing science around when you don't have the means to back it up yourself.
Can we get to a more constructive argument? Like Pie vs. Cake.
I'm on Team Cake. Burn the heathens on Team Pie.
Solas likes the frilly Orlesian cakes.
Okay, I said I was stepping out of this thread, but this blasphemy cannot go unaddressed.
The answer is not pie or cakes. The answer is ice cream,
Okay, I said I was stepping out of this thread, but this blasphemy cannot go unaddressed.
The answer is not pie or cakes. The answer is ice cream,
The answer is steak.
I made that statement based on my own observation of the world. I'm biracial, so this sort of thing is an interest to me, and that's how I felt about it all.
They supported my statement with more than an agreement, but if you're not done moaning, then I'm done addressing you, lol. The butthurt is still visible. Hurt on your own.
The answer is steak.
For dinner? Hell yes, and I just had some. But for dessert, I love me some ice cream! Especially coffee ice cream...and now I'm going to the grocery store.
BTW, re the whole citations thing- while I think game forums on the internet don't really merit such seriousness, I did add a link to a Harvard magazine article about scientific approaches to the question of race from both biological and cultural standpoints to my original post. Good reading for anyone who is interested.
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