This is a very very strange thread.
Just to add some perspective, just because they 'look' 13, doesn't mean they are.
Personally I have a baby-face, I seriously look like I'm 14 when in fact I'm going to be 20 this year <.< My body shape isn't helping either.
That s what i was talking about, just beacuse someone says that someone looks 13 it doesn t mean they are.
And attractive female who is highly intelligent speaks in front of 100 people about the concepts of applied physics and when that female is done with her presentation, she is walking through the hallways when she runs into a peer who's first compliment is, "Nice shoes" or "I just want to say how wonderful your hair looks" or something similar to that nature, totally ignorant of the fact of her intelligence, but because she is a female, that notion is suppressed and thus the only "important" quality is her looks. I guess it is some longstanding opinion that men's productivity/value increases with age while women's decreases. I disagree with this notion, but this is a long thought understanding that has held value for a very long time.
I'm fairly certain her shoes or hair is noticed because those are things can be physically seen. Nobody knows how intelligent someone is or isn't until they speak to them.
I'm also not exactly sure why there's some level of mutual exclusivity with appearance and intelligence, as if smart people can't be pretty or can't be complimented on their appearance. Walking up to somebody who's intelligent and saying "hey, I like your pants" doesn't demean them in any capacity, nor does it downplay their intelligence in favor of their looks.
But please, continue with the left-field assumptions. I'm sure you'll make a valid point eventually.
I'm fairly certain her shoes or hair is noticed because those are things can be physically seen. Nobody knows how intelligent someone is or isn't until they speak to them.
I'm also not exactly sure why there's some level of mutual exclusivity with appearance and intelligence, as if smart people can't be pretty or can't be complimented on their appearance. Walking up to somebody who's intelligent and saying "hey, I like your pants" doesn't demean them in any capacity, nor does it downplay their intelligence in favor of their looks.
But please, continue with the left-field assumptions. I'm sure you'll make a valid point eventually.
My point being is that society as a whole places greater emphasis on physical appearances for women than they do anything else. As intelligent as the woman was and how eloquent and smart her speech was, that went unnoticed. I have seen this happen many of times.
My example was not about if you are intelligent you can never recieve compliments about your looks, no. My example was about the general rule that society has with women and how their looks remains of great importance to the point where a highly intelligent female point blank in your face would receive far more compliments about her looks than her intelligence. This thought extends well into the job market and employment as well, but again, that is for another discussion.
Point is, my example was more symbolic and less literal. Of course she could receive a compliment about her shoes, its just the simple fact that society would naturally suppress the idea that she is a smart lady in favor of her being an attractive lady. Also her being smart was just as physical as her hair and shoes. I mean she just gave an extremely thorough presentation to a room full of academics about applied physics. However general society would see her as an attractive female whereas if it were a male, the accolades would be centered around how intelligent he is, not how his tie compliments his suit.
Thank you for your reply.
You have a point there and one that I brought up in a previous post in this thread. For some reason, men and women are comfortable creating and even playing with male characters that are "older". Men and women are comfortable creating and playing as male characters that aren't "model looking" but sometimes rather scruffy, aged, and some imperfections. However you normally NEVER really see that with female characters. You rarely ever see a male or female purposely try to add age to the female character. When I mean age, I don't mean 30 years old v. 22 years old. I mean 40+ years old as opposed to being some 20 something. Why is this? Well, like you said, it has a lot to do with society and how our minds have been wired because of this. We [society] place a lot of emphasis on superficiality and that is extremely common with women and how society views women, and even how women view themselves.
And attractive female who is highly intelligent speaks in front of 100 people about the concepts of applied physics and when that female is done with her presentation, she is walking through the hallways when she runs into a peer who's first compliment is, "Nice shoes" or "I just want to say how wonderful your hair looks" or something similar to that nature, totally ignorant of the fact of her intelligence, but because she is a female, that notion is suppressed and thus the only "important" quality is her looks. I guess it is some longstanding opinion that men's productivity/value increases with age while women's decreases. I disagree with this notion, but this is a long thought understanding that has held value for a very long time.
I know that I am getting a bit off topic, but it was important to note that because I noticed that there was a lady here who is 42 years old who claimed that she would NEVER create a female character that is 40+ and I thought to myself "What is wrong with a female hero who is 40+? How in the world is that a negative thing? We need more 40+ women heros in movies and games!"
So perhaps in people's endeavors to make youth the number one aspect of their female characters whether it be elves, humans, Commander Shepard, or Hawke, people tend to goto the extreme and make them look as young as possible which sometimes could make their character look REALLY young, like under 16 years old young.
I do not know the age of most of you guys so if you are 11-16 then perhaps you may find that stuff attractive, but by looking at threads and people posting their female elfs, the vast majority of them look....adolescent. Again, if that is your thing that that is your own business. However, it just seems like people always go with the furthest left option under the complexion tab in CC which normally results in the most "youthful" looks. I like to dab further into the complexion options to create more "mature" looking women that are in their mid-30s at minimal. Hell, for my next character a female mage elf, I will give her a bit of an aging appearance to make her look like she is at least in her 40s.
So yeah, is western society that anti-aging/anti-older women that people are willing for their female characters to appear like they are in the 7th grade?
There are an astounding number of false statements and assumptions in this post and the title.
You have no idea what most people's avatars look like, and you have no idea what their choices are (or the reasons for those choices.) Some people have posted avatars in the forum that aren't what you would personally make. That isn't a reason to start a social crusade based on the fact that not everyone plays games the same way.
You have no idea what most people's avatars look like, and you have no idea what their choices are (or the reasons for those choices.) Some people have posted avatars in the forum that aren't what you would personally make. That isn't a reason to start a social crusade based on the fact that not everyone plays games the same way.
I see my Elf-quisitor at around 19.
Hawke started out as 18, and my DAO character, 17.
Point being none of my characters are above 20. Because, well, I myself am young and was young when I started playing? I was around 13 when I started playing DAO on the XBOX 360, and I am currently 18 turning 19. So, yeah. Usually try to go for characters that are a few years ahead of me.
Still kind of shocking that I'm now my Hawke's age when she first ran out of Lothering, jfc.
I know this is off-topic, and it seems that the OP is trying to wrap up his thread, but I would just like to point out the known/assumed ages of the Warden and Hawke, and DA:I characters.
The Warden is supposed to be 19 going on 20, while Hawke is assumed to be 23. Bethany and Carver are 18.
The Inquisitor's age seems to be unknown, but I've gotten the feeling that we're supposed to be in our 30s. The romances seem to fit this age group.
- Solas is 43 (which is awesome, because that's how old I thought he was, prior to the game's release, and his LI confirmation).
- Cullen is probably the same age as the Warden; 30.
- Blackwall is likely mid 30s to early 40s.
- Sera is likely only about 15 to 20 years old, going by her being a young child during the Blight. My guess is 18 or 19.
- Cassandra is in her late 30s.
- Josephine is about 28
- Bull is in his mid to late 30s
- And I've always thought of Dorian as being in his late 20s
The ones we can't romance:
- Vivienne is likely in her mid 30s or about 40, despite being mistress to a 70 or 80 year-old Duke Bastien.
- Cole is 20, if he even has an age, going by his codex.
- Varric was born in 9:00-9:01 Dragon, so is 39-40.
What's the point of this thread anyways? If the OP wants to make grizzled, scarred, sunburnt 50+ year old women, you are free to do so. I don't want to play that kind of character (male OR female) unless the story acknowledges your character as a grizzled veteran, a parent, etc...Besides, making an older or even more realistic character requires: knowledge of facial anatomy and the effects of aging, artistic skill, and skill with this particular CC. The presets have the rounded features, small nose, short face, "big freaky elf eyes," etc...and someone without the skill straying too far from the preset often makes an inhuman monstrosity.
I definitely think there is an issue with an extreme lack of variety in female characters not only in games but creating that diversity (in not only looks but personality and skills) falls to the game creators, not the fans. Also implying that everyone who makes a character that you decide looks too young is a pedophile is just offensive on so many levels. I have a baby face, button nose, large eyes, etc...and if I want to make a character that looks like me, let me make a character that looks like me without being all high and mighty.
This is a very strange thread full of very strange comments. I m a university student at the moment so the majority of people i know are 20-24 years old and many of them look like the pictures you posted, just beacuse you think someone looks 13 it doesn t mean they are. I also seen people commenting on how childish is the body a the female elf, well guess what there many skinny women who has similar bodies to them and there is nothing wrong with that. Also it s there s nothing wrong with being attracted to 20-24 years old women, just beacuse the op prefers 30-35 years old women doesn t mean everybody else has to.
Yes. This, so much this. I am in college as well and most 20-27 year old women look thin and quite youthful.
Then again, I am in Southeast Asia, the region with the lowest obesity rate, as opposed to North America so that could be the reason too...
Then again, I am in Southeast Asia, the region with the lowest obesity rate, as opposed to North America so that could be the reason too...
So we've gone from "the BSN is pedophiles" to "America is fat".
This thread certainly took a left at Albuquerque.
My point being is that society as a whole places greater emphasis on physical appearances for women than they do anything else. As intelligent as the woman was and how eloquent and smart her speech was, that went unnoticed. I have seen this happen many of times.
My example was not about if you are intelligent you can never recieve compliments about your looks, no. My example was about the general rule that society has with women and how their looks remains of great importance to the point where a highly intelligent female point blank in your face would receive far more compliments about her looks than her intelligence. This thought extends well into the job market and employment as well, but again, that is for another discussion.
Point is, my example was more symbolic and less literal. Of course she could receive a compliment about her shoes, its just the simple fact that society would naturally suppress the idea that she is a smart lady in favor of her being an attractive lady. Also her being smart was just as physical as her hair and shoes. I mean she just gave an extremely thorough presentation to a room full of academics about applied physics. However general society would see her as an attractive female whereas if it were a male, the accolades would be centered around how intelligent he is, not how his tie compliments his suit.
Thank you for your reply.
When Emma Watson gave her He For She speech the internet was alight with responses, some agreeing with her some, ridiculing her but very few mentioned how beautiful she looked or how nice her suit was. If the subject of the speech was memorable enough people will over look that it is being said by a beautiful young woman.
What's the point of this thread anyways? If the OP wants to make grizzled, scarred, sunburnt 50+ year old women, you are free to do so.
Being able to do what you like isn't enough, you should be able to stop people from doing what you dislike too! Even in fictional gaming worlds! Because reasons! Important, not-at all-ridiculous reasons!
At this point I'm not sure if this thread is about people who create 13 year old looking elves or a rant about society placing a lot of emphasis on how people look, especially women.
On the bright side, there are far worse in the world than making your inquisitor look like a 13 year old. Perhaps this creative outlet serves the greater good.
What I find a bit wrong is looking at a picture and saying "that person is 12", especially with screencaps from within a game. I didn't come away with that impression from either of the screenshots you provided. The second one is strikingly similar to one of my ex girlfriends, and she was 30 when we met. Just because you came away with an impression doesn't mean anyone else is going to share it. If I were to venture a guess on the first one's age, I'd go mid 20s. Which is alarmingly young for me, considering she'd be in the neighborhood of 10 years younger than my daughter. But I wouldn't have guessed much younger than that.
I agree I think everyone has different perceptions. The top one looks about 18 to me while the bottom one looks 21.
This thread is .. Projecting maybe..
"I like older women. So edgy and unique."
Its shocking that people have personal preferences/tastes isn't it?
Don't know where you're from but in australia we have a strict set of laws which can put people in a jail cell for a very long time if their person preferences and tastes are under the age of 18.
Don't know where you're from but in australia we have a strict set of laws which can put people in a jail cell for a very long time if their person preferences and tastes are under the age of 18.
Considering its legal to have sex with a 16 yr old in australia i have no idea where you get your info from.
Jrpg syndrome
One of the reasons I absolutely DESPISE JRPG is that crap with female character that look like they're 10 years old with super short dresses acting cute and dudes on their late 20s just crazy about them
seriously, that freaks me the **** out and they should just leave my presence ASAP if they're into that stuff
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