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[justafan]

I don't know if it would be possible, even were all the nations of Thedas united under one banner.  Going into the deep roads would mean going into the darkspawn's home turf, and while they are not usually a threat outside of blights, this is not because they lack the numbers, but because they are too busy underground doing darkspawny stuff and searching for archdemons.  Going into the deep roads means encountering possibly an unfathomable number of darkspawn, since brood mothers can apparently birth nearly limitless hoards.  Not to mention the logistical trouble of navigating the mazes of the deep roads and keeping the army fed.

 

You might be able to seal off the Thaigs, but the darkspawn's purpose in life is to dig for old gods, and once an archdemon is awoken, it would likely put them to digging themselves out, thus the problem would only be delayed.  Even if it was possible to eradicate every last blighted creature, the blight was clearly unleashed by a being of immense power, possibly even God himself.  In a universe where godlike beings are proven to exist, you might very well have to defeat something far greater than darkspawn if such a being is intent on keeping the blight around.

[leaguer of one]

Taking out all the Old Gods would probably do it, or at the least downgrade them to a low-level threat. With no possibility of Blight they just become an annoyance.

And the dread wold laughs in our  face and says no.

[King Cousland]

I just say we unleash Sandal with the Legion at his back. He does have a penchant for this sort of thing, after all. 

 

Before you know it, the darkspawn are gone we have Paragon Sandal!

[leaguer of one]

Random question that absolutely no one is capable of answering time!

If Qunari (the race) broodmothers make ogres, elf broodmothers make shrieks, dwarf broodmothers make genlocks, and human broodmothers make hurlocks, then what the hell do the Fex make?

 

YOU MUST ACKNOWLEDGE THE FEX EVENTUALLY, BIOWARE! YOU CAN'T JUST MENTION THEM AND DROP IT! YOU MUST ADDRESS IT EVENTUALLYYYYYYYYY!!!! *voice fades out*

it's because they are bioware's ewoks.... You happy?

[leaguer of one]

No. I don't know much about Star Wars, so I'm not really seeing the relevance of ewoks. :/

... I ...what?

[X Equestris]

I think I might have missed it in game, (codex?) but what effect does red lyrium have on darkspawn? They're both spouting underground so how do they interact with each other? Does the red lyrium bolster darkspawn strength? Morph them into something worst?

It's mentioned that Darkspawn avoided the Primeval Thaig, where the red lyrium idol was found, like the plague. That's rather strange.

[Daerog]

One doesn't have to eradicate the blight to eradicate the darkspawn... although that would do the trick as well since the darkspawn are all blight.

 

If all the darkspawn and current broodmothers are killed, then the darkspawn would probably not come back unless someone wishes to force the process of making a broodmother on an unfortunate woman... making broodmothers isn't just about getting infected by the blight and becoming the usual ghoul, the darkspawn focus attention on females they plan on making broodmothers and... well, they didn't go into detail but it sounds like they make them ingest blight and flesh and... ya... it's not a normal ghoul process.

 

Killing the Old Gods won't solve the problem. The darkspawn will still be around, there are sentient darkspawn around thanks to the Architect (and the player if they allow the Messenger and Architect to live...), and there are likely more Ancient Magisters somewhere.

 

However, if Thedas successfully commits genocide on the darkspawn and their broodmothers and then on all ghouls (like the Grey Wardens), then the blight that is deep under ground could probably just be monitored and fenced off so people don't spread it anywhere.

 

That one First Enchanter was able to create an enchanted dagger that repels the blight in some fashion, they could line the Deep Roads with those kind of enchantments to prevent it from coming to the surface on its own or something.

 

That, or the mages of Thedas could harness the power of blight magic to eradicate the Qunari, and then fence it off and punish anyone who breaks quarantine or uses blight magic by having him or her thrown into the Fade, like in DA:O, where demons are already in wait, like in a Harrowing but without a fenced off part of the Fade, then keep his or her body in a suspended state until a demon captures him or her, then slowly have the body decay while their mind/spirit is still in the clutches of the demon so they are trapped forever like the Baroness' subjects. Mwahahahahahaha!  They will beg for Tranquility!

 

 

*ahem* or just have it monitored and guarded, because the previous idea is just silly and such...

[Obsidian Gryphon]

It's mentioned that Darkspawn avoided the Primeval Thaig, where the red lyrium idol was found, like the plague. That's rather strange.

 

I must have missed that one. Ok, so if the darkspawn avoid red lyrium and it continues to spread out (I'm assuming that's what happening below) to the Deep Roads, does that mean the darkspawn would be forced out into the open? Could that be why they started appearing for no apparent reason along the Storm Coast? If so, would there be more darkspawn outbreaks occurring more often in Southern Thedas?

[Basher of Glory]

I must have missed that one. Ok, so if the darkspawn avoid red lyrium and it continues to spread out (I'm assuming that's what happening below) to the Deep Roads, does that mean the darkspawn would be forced out into the open? Could that be why they started appearing for no apparent reason along the Storm Coast? If so, would there be more darkspawn outbreaks occurring more often in Southern Thedas?

That would have been my next question, too.

[X Equestris]

I must have missed that one. Ok, so if the darkspawn avoid red lyrium and it continues to spread out (I'm assuming that's what happening below) to the Deep Roads, does that mean the darkspawn would be forced out into the open? Could that be why they started appearing for no apparent reason along the Storm Coast? If so, would there be more darkspawn outbreaks occurring more often in Southern Thedas?

The red lyrium was apparently confined to the thaig until after its was removed, first by Hawke and co., then by Corypheus. It is possible that it has spread to other parts of the Deep Roads, but since we hardly even touch on them, we can't say for sure at this point.

[littlebrightpanda]

But where did the red lyrium come from in the first place? That's the actual question, as it could imply that the blight did not first enter the world with the ancient magisters, but was present before. And how did the primeval dwarfs worship the idol without going completely crazy? Maybe they did...

 

And Dwarven history, not even known to the dwarves? Where did the Dwarfs come from? In the light of the Dalish lore changing, maybe something similar could happen to the Dwarfs. 

[daveliam]

Slightly OT:  I have never heard the word academical used before.  And I work in academics.  I always just say "academic".  Looked "academical" up and, sure enough, it's legit.  Nice.  Now I have to find a way to use it in a sentence today!  Thanks BSN for teaching me a new word.

[TheLastArchivist]

So we have 2 facts:

 

1. The taint would go on after the darkspawn are erradicated.
2. The red lyrium - normal lyrium corrupted by the taint- would still be a threat.

The answer would be to combat the taint. To discover an antidote or vaccine against it. But so far, no one knows what the taint is.

 

The Architect, in his own limited way, found a way to at least end the darkspawn threat by ridding them of the calling. He used Grey Warden blood to concoct a potion that can be drunk. However, they still carry the taint within their bodies, being able to infect other races.

 

Avernus also found a "cure" through blood (the mage you meet in Soldier's Peak). 

 

The HoF is travelling the world seeking this cure. This might be the main theme of DA4. What is the relation between the taint and blood? From here on, we can only do guesswork. Judging by the Wardens's fate shown in the DA:I epilogue, Weisshaupt knew what the taint was all along. However, they chose to keep it a secret. If they knew what the taint was, so they knew a way to find a cure. Weisshaupt may very well have chosen to let millions of Wardens die from the taint rather than share that secret.

 

Because of this, we hear the Wardens have segregated themselves from Weisshaupt.

 

 

 

Why did Weisshaupt keep the taint a secret? And what is it?

 

My guess: the taint is blood magic, possibly residual blood magic from the blood sacifice the seven Chosen Magisters did by killing thousands of elves to open the Veil and enter the Fade.

 

And Weisshaupt knew this all along.

So why keep this a secret?

1. In the DA wikia, we learn the first wardens were a group of people from Tevinter who did research to try and defeat the Archdemon. When the dragon dies, his soul travels to the nearest darkspawn, a process which makes him immortal. The Tevinters then worked to find a countermeasure. The only thing they managed to produce was to infect a man with the taint and delay the infection for 30 years.
2. Shortly after the first Blight, the Chantry was created. Anything Tevinter related was deemed unholy. Any blood mages were hunted down.If the Joining is a Tevinter ritual of blood magic, the Wardens would have been banned and exiled, possibly even hunted by the Chantry.

The only answer Weisshaupt had to preserve the Order was to keep this knowledge a secret.

 

 

Proof that the taint and blood are closely related:

1. The Joining is a blood ritual, although one where you don't slit your wrist.
2. The Architect develops a cure based on mixing blood.
3. The dark ritual made by Morrigan involves transfer of blood. She acquires the taint through sex.The taint, however, may not have affected her and traveled to her fetus.  
4. Fiona got rid of the taint in a sex ritual. A ritual that conceived Alistair. 

 

Those are my guesses so far. To sum it up:

The taint is residual blood magic from the original ritual that opened the first Breach fourteeen hundred years ago.

And the reason for Weisshaupt to keep this a secret is because the cure for the taint was a Tevinter blood ritual that would attract the Chantry's attention at the time and threaten the Order's very survival. 

 

o/

[TheLastArchivist]

My personal thanks to the owner of the thread for opening an academic topic.  It allows people to share their ideas in a sensible manner, without the nuisance of wild guessers who try to force their own theories and partial, personal views on others.

[MoonDrummer]

I like to think every casteless in Orzammar is currently being golemised to rebuild some Dwarven glory.

[Antergaton]

Those are my guesses so far. To sum it up:

The taint is residual blood magic from the original ritual that opened the first Breach fourteeen hundred years ago.

And the reason for Weisshaupt to keep this a secret is because the cure for the taint was a Tevinter blood ritual that would attract the Chantry's attention at the time and threaten the Order's very survival. 

 

So close but alas, first it was 1400 years ago not, 14,000. Timeline of DA is only know til 7000 year ago or so. But Weisshaupt aren't keeping the taint secret, everyone knows about that. They are keeping how the Grey Warden's know about/can sense Darkspawn and the Archdemon a secret because of the implications and/or death surrounding it.

 

Yet how would the Grey Warden's know? They aren't Tevinter (well some might have been) but they also formed like 100 years after Cory and pals did their naughty business.

 

 

On Topic in my own view: Darkspawn won't be eradicated but could be nigh on removed from being a problem. After the 4th Blight, it was thought that they had been hurt so bad that there would no longer be any but in order to take them out you need to take out the broodmothers, right? Well who formed them in the first place? I think as long as 1 Darkspawn exists, you can assume so does everything else surrounding them. Removing the Old Gods removes the threat of a Blight but Darkspawn will never be removed from existance. I think they can be controlled however, block up a few deep road entrances and what not and the mindless Darkspawn won't force their way out.

[littlebrightpanda]

@TheLastArchivist

The only problem with the theory is, that the taint is much older than the Tevinter magisters breaching into the fade: see red lyrium idol. So the actual cure for the taint is unknown, which leaves infection up on the table, now that the primeval thaig is open. 

 

And the Architect didn't cure the taint, he just managed to remove the call of the old gods, which then turned the darkspawn mad, trying to reconnect to the calling. So we can assume, nobody really knows what the taint is, except that it is in the blood and can be removed by questionable methods.

(I still don't understand how Fiona could be cured, except by being a special snowflake). 

[TheLastArchivist]

So close but alas, first it was 1400 years ago not, 14,000. 

 

Alas, the post was being corrected. I always post first and correct later. Not having English as my first language is troublesome indeed. 

But by the time the edited post was posted, you had already answered.

 

 

 

Maybe wait a bit longer before answering with such eagerness (to prove you're right and others are wrong)? 

[Antergaton]

Maybe wait a bit longer before answering with such eagerness (to prove you're right and others are wrong)? 

 

Well cool. But didn't meant to offend. I'll go away now. Maybe I'll go play Destiny or something...

[Aren]

 Once you can reason you can compromise. Once you can compromise you are on the path to co-existence. Once you can co-exist you can have peace.

With that said, my Warden killed the Architect. o.O lol

It doesnt matter his disciples are still around, and after i have seen Coryphish super mega powa resurrection i belive that the Architect can do the same

[fhs33721]

I must have missed that one. Ok, so if the darkspawn avoid red lyrium and it continues to spread out (I'm assuming that's what happening below) to the Deep Roads, does that mean the darkspawn would be forced out into the open? Could that be why they started appearing for no apparent reason along the Storm Coast? If so, would there be more darkspawn outbreaks occurring more often in Southern Thedas?

Is it confirmed, that they specifically avoid the red lyrium? It could be that they avoided the thaig for other reasons. Proably because it was filled with demons and rock wraiths that killed them whenever they tried to enter.

[X Equestris]

Is it confirmed, that they specifically avoid the red lyrium? It could be that they avoided the thaig for other reasons. Proably because it was filled with demons and rock wraiths that killed them whenever they tried to enter.

Demons avoid Darkspawn and the taint. They can't comprehend it. So if demons fear them, what would scare off the Darkspawn?

[legbamel]

I'm wondering now how Dark spawn react to untainted Lyrium. I don't know that it was ever mentioned in either a positive or negative way. One would think they would have an affinity for the tainted version unless the properties of Lyrium itself twist the "song" in some way.