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[jellobell]

There is no again. People don't become Darkspawn, they become Ghouls. Darkspawn are born as Darkspawn. 

Tamlen turned into a Shriek after being tainted.

 

EDIT: Wait, nevermind, the game just mistakenly called him a Shriek.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

I'm not recalling anything saying Alexius's wife was raped and killed. I remember hearing that she was killed in a raid, but I haven't heard the other part before.

 

I probably misheard then.   I didn't enable subtitles so I prolly took raid as raped.

 

As it is, I keep hearing a trip to Tewinter in the next setting but it seems messy to me with unresolved issues in southern Thedas. Particularly, red lyrium and the darkspawn incursions.

[Basher of Glory]

About the ghouls:

 

Someone wrote, the ghouls are there for abducting qualified persons for certain tasks, e.g. smiths, females to transform them into broodmothers, etc.

 

Still remains the questions: Who tells them to do this?

 

I mean, today someone is a human, elf, dwarf, tomorrow he is a ghoul. Is there some kind of magical transfer of special knowledge or will

someone turned into a ghoul automatically earn certain inherent knowledges?

[KaiserShep]

The darkspawn probably have instruction pamphlets that they hand out to fresh ghoul recruits.

[Basher of Glory]

The darkspawn probably have instruction pamphlets that they hand out to fresh ghoul recruits.

My first thought, too!

But then, who would print these pamphlets?

[KaiserShep]

I'm sure they have a team of genlocks that just sit around writing on paper that they steal. In DA:O, there was vellum everywhere.

[legbamel]

The Printer and Bookseller caste in Orzammar has a strong illicit trade system with the Darkspawn. Where do you think that lyrium we smuggled in DA:O came from?

[X Equestris]

About the ghouls:
 
Someone wrote, the ghouls are there for abducting qualified persons for certain tasks, e.g. smiths, females to transform them into broodmothers, etc.
 
Still remains the questions: Who tells them to do this?
 
I mean, today someone is a human, elf, dwarf, tomorrow he is a ghoul. Is there some kind of magical transfer of special knowledge or will
someone turned into a ghoul automatically earn certain inherent knowledges?

A ghoul is simply a person who gets tainted. The Darkspawn raid on their own initiative. There isn't any special knowledge, which probably contributes to the generally poor quality of darkspawn equipment, along with the limited resources available to them.

[Beomer]

DG's quote about the taint sustaining the Darkspawn as well as the fact that Darkspawn mages draw power from the taint brings up a very interesting point. The taint it would appear is pretty awesome apart from some glaring problems. I mean of course you are born a soul-less husk, or at least a husk with a soul who only wants to serve the Old Gods or whoever sings the song, and you look terrible (DA2 onwards).

But on the flip side, the taint makes your immune to age, it gives you strength and speed above the average human being, it sustains you, it is a source of magical power, it (presumably) let's you communicate like a hive mind (whatever the song thing is, Cory does it), it might even make you resistant to diseases. So in short there is a pretty long list of advantages. Almost like something someone might develop for their own benefit in a lab before realizing they put in too much chemical X and that they screwed things up.

Which kind of gives credibility to the theory that the Elven mages/ Gods of Arlathan might have developed the taint and inadvertently infected the city. Which the seven Tevinter magisters later entered and got infected in turn. 

[Fast Jimmy]

About the ghouls:

Someone wrote, the ghouls are there for abducting qualified persons for certain tasks, e.g. smiths, females to transform them into broodmothers, etc.

Still remains the questions: Who tells them to do this?

I mean, today someone is a human, elf, dwarf, tomorrow he is a ghoul. Is there some kind of magical transfer of special knowledge or will
someone turned into a ghoul automatically earn certain inherent knowledges?

The song of the Darkspawn tells them.

Wardens hear it as they approach their calling. Ghouls hear it as well. Darkspawn DEFINITELY hear it, as well as Broodmorhers (as we know from the Mother saying she was being driven insane by the LACK of hearing the song, not giving her purpose or meaning.

It is what drives them to dig. To kill. To rape. It gives instructions, detailed or simple, to all who are affected by the taint.


That's why you can't kill them all - because they are a coordinated horde of forever breeding monsters in the deepest bowels of the earth.

The Grey Wardens have proven more and more effective each Blight in taking down the Archdemon quickly. Once the remaining three are dead, there's a possibility the magic that fuels the Taint may die with it and all Darkspawn are killed. Conversely, maybe they will be like the Awakened Darkspawn and be able to reason and think, in which case they can decide their own fate.

Regardless, playing it smart and letting the Blights run their course is the strategy that results in the less death, destruction and unnecessary loss. Give the dwarves the support they need to hold their own with the Anvil in DA:O and the problem solves itself in a few centuries.

[In Exile]

I'm wondering why red lyrium is only turning up now, if darkspawn have been running around in the Deep Roads for a thousand years.

It's turning up now on the surface. It's apparently in the "true" Fade (when we enter it physically) because you can find red lyrium crystals. Though that may be the nightmare's manipulation.

Red lyrium grows. It was deep underground. Then Corypheus mined it to the surface. For all we know the continent the Qunari and humans fled from is nothing but pure red lyrium and that's where all of this comes from.

[In Exile]

Ditto. I'm also wondering, with such numbers, what do they do for food? Even if they often clashed with the dwarves, I doubt the latter provided enough to feed the horde so, where're they getting their victuals? Do they eat those darkspawn that are weak? Or cognizant enough to grow something edible or perhaps just whack the occasional deepstalker or harvest the deep mushrooms.

Darkspawn don't eat. They're sustained by the taint.

[zambingo]

They don't need to eat. The taint sustains them.

That's what she said.

[myahele]

Do poison work on darkspawn?

 

As for the eating bit...yes they dont need to eat; however, the darkspawn have been known to eat people (hespith's rhyme) and on codex they eat ghouls sometimes.

[X Equestris]

Do poison work on darkspawn?
 
As for the eating bit...yes they dont need to eat; however, the darkspawn have been known to eat people (hespith's rhyme) and on codex they eat ghouls sometimes.

Poison works in-game, but I'm not sure if it actually works in the lore.

[Iakus]

It's turning up now on the surface. It's apparently in the "true" Fade (when we enter it physically) because you can find red lyrium crystals. Though that may be the nightmare's manipulation.

Red lyrium grows. It was deep underground. Then Corypheus mined it to the surface. For all we know the continent the Qunari and humans fled from is nothing but pure red lyrium and that's where all of this comes from.

Yeah but dwarves have been mining lyrium for ages.  Heck the miners track it by sound.  And they never even heard of red lyrium until it starts appearing on the surface? 

[Basher of Glory]

Well, we can - again - only guess.

 

Perhaps the Architect and Chorypheus "awakened" it and could use it in different ways.

 

While the Architect used it to make the darkspawn sapient, Chorypheus used it to make mages / templars / whomever to that, what we saw in DA:I.

 

The next "perhaps" would refer to Varric and Hawke: Who knows what they really found during their expedition?

 

At least it looks like the normal darkspawn has no use for it. But then remains the question, what drove them to the surface at the Stormcoast?

 

There I saw these Hessarian's Blades fighting darkspawn. Has anyone ever seen red templars doing the same?

[littlebrightpanda]

I doubt that the Architect and Corypheus had anything to do with the Red Lyrium surfacing. Spreading it to a certain extent, probably, but judging from the info in Emprise du Lion, Imshael was the one cultivating it (or gardening, as he puts it). 

 

You can sometimes see it spreading, when you fight Red Templars at a camp, there are boxes with Red Lyrium with Lyrium coming out of the box. Bury one deep and poof, Red Lyrium source. 

 

The Red Lyrium was found by Hawke and Varric, they were the first accessing the Primeval Thaig with the Red Lyrium veins. Corypheus learned of the location through Bianca, who contacted Larius or Janeka (the ones Cory possessed after Legacy).

 

Now, what he then did with it, that's the mystery. When did Imshael come into play? How much time passed between The Masked Empire and Inquisition? A year? That would be enough time to figure out Red Lyrium and how to spread it. We just don't know how. And we also don't know whether Cory knows everything about it. Though he might be able to sense the taint in it. 

[myahele]

Who knows, maybe Cory knew of something in the location of kirkwall (kirkwall was built due to "something" calling out to them) but didn't quit know up until he heard about red lyrium Meredith and eventually found Beyonce.

 

The funny thing is once he got a hold of it he started spreading it around and apperantly red lyrium as awakened, so i wouldn't be surprised that Cory was also kinda being "controled" by the red lyrium making him compelled to spread it further

[thats1evildude]

I propose destroying the source of their corruption: the Black City.

 

I'm willing to bet that would in turn destroy the darkspawn.

 

 

 

At least it looks like the normal darkspawn has no use for it. But then remains the question, what drove them to the surface at the Stormcoast?

 

I think they were simply "breaking through" there. That one dwarf in Skyhold said it best: darkspawn don't think. They flow.

[In Exile]

Yeah but dwarves have been mining lyrium for ages. Heck the miners track it by sound. And they never even heard of red lyrium until it starts appearing on the surface?

They did hear about it. They just seem to have erased their knowledge of it. DAO and the WH DLC shows us how the shaperate loves to just pretend reality didn't happen.

The old thaig with red lyrium was deep in darkspawn infested territory. It's a crazy dangerous place to mine lyrium *very* far away from Orzammar which remember is the only dwarf city besides Kal Sharok (and for all we know that place is filled with red lyrium).

[Lost Mercenary]

I think in order to truly destroy the Blight you need to go after its source.

 

The Black City.

 

All the answers are there.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Have Sera spam Thousand Cuts over and over again. That should put a stop to this whole darkspawn business. 

[littlebrightpanda]

They did hear about it. They just seem to have erased their knowledge of it. DAO and the WH DLC shows us how the shaperate loves to just pretend reality didn't happen.

The old thaig with red lyrium was deep in darkspawn infested territory. It's a crazy dangerous place to mine lyrium *very* far away from Orzammar which remember is the only dwarf city besides Kal Sharok (and for all we know that place is filled with red lyrium).

 

Kal Sharok is interesting. From Codex entries it most definitely sounds like they are blighted in some way. But in what way? So blighted they are normal again? A "harmless" version of the blight? Managed to tame Red Lyrium? I want to go to Kal Sharok and find out! 

 

Because if they managed to do anything with the taint, except being tainted, it opens up possibilities of magnitude importance, possibly leading to the destruction of the taint. Or something else. But at least something other than ultimately dying! 

 

But again, if the taint already existed before the Black city was breached, then the dwarfs might have something to do with it. Or the rock wraiths. Or those primeval golems we found. Or the people who created that. If the Shaperate didn't record it, and they appear to be keen on censoring history, then it might be something dark or weird. I mean, the dwarfs believe they basically jumped out of the stone. 

 

Just going to the black city might not solve all mysteries, but actually create even more. 

[Nashina]

I suspect to destroy the taint the people of thedas would need to create a biological warfare weapon to target the taint specifically. Like how you can use certain types of ant poison and the ants take it back to the nest, supposedly wipes out the nest. I mean you could spread this to everyone and have each kingdom deploy it in all areas where dawkspawn are seen.

I think that would be the only sane and logical way to approach it without actually sacrificing hundreds and thousands of people to darkspawn.

 

Yes it would also be poison for the grey wardens, and a death to the order, but it would allow the old gods to slumber and be forgotten, and possible peace from the darkspawn.

 

Clearly something needs to be done, they cannot keep living in fear from the constant threat of darkspawn.

 

Edited to add this:

I also find it stupid the grey wardens haven't yet tried to do something like this, clearly Avernus was not shy about experiments with the tainted blood. So clearly if the grey wardens haven't bothered to try this then clearly they are not as altruistic as they make out to be and perhaps an end to the order is needed.

Modifié par Nashina, 29 janvier 2015 - 12:45 .