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[TheChosenOne]

VarricxCassandra?

 

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[Incantrix]

The Varric husbando and Cassandra waifu gangs would never have it.

[Qunquistador]

 In short, he acts like a gentleman in all matters that concern Josephine.

He does, but obviously that doesn't mean he is one. The same way acting like a warden doesn't a warden make.

 

After all, not too many gentlemen would kill innocent people for coin, let their cohorts take the fall, then steal a dead guy's identity to cover their tracks. And even Gaspard wouldn't openly call Celene a "snake" as Blackwall does Vivienne. And before anyone argues that Blackwall didn't know Callier's kiddies would be among the entourage. Cole clearly states that Blackwall has a moment where he sees them and makes the decision to let them be slaughtered to cover his lies to his men.

 

He thinks, "Maker, they're young!" and continues with the assault anyway. Very gentleman like...

 

But no, fantasizing about what someone looks like naked does not make you a bad person. Murdering innocent people for gain makes you a bad person.

[Ryriena]

The Varric husbando and Cassandra waifu gangs would never have it.

From what I seen on the Varric thread they want him with anyone but Bianca, so it's just the Cassandra waifu guys that would have a fit.

[jellobell]

He does, but obviously that doesn't mean he is one. The same way acting like a warden doesn't a warden make.

Which is why my statement includes "towards Josephine". Whether or not he's a gentleman in general is a whole 'nother argument.

[rda]

From what I seen on the Varric thread they want him with anyone but Bianca, so it's just the Cassandra waifu guys that would have a fit.

Which that just...doesn't make any sense to me. I romanced Isabella in one of my DA2 playthroughs. I wasn't offended on a subsequent playthrough when she hooked up with Fenris. Are the people that hooked up with Bull outraged if in a subsequent playthrough where they romance, say, Sera, Bull and Dorian hook up?

I mean, what's the big deal on that front?

[Ynqve]

From what I seen on the Varric thread they want him with anyone but Bianca, so it's just the Cassandra waifu guys that would have a fit.

 

Yup, and if someone were to make a poll in the Varric thread I wouldn't be surprised if Varric/Harding turned out to be a more popular ship than Varric/Inquisitor.

 

Which that just...doesn't make any sense to me. I romanced Isabella in one of my DA2 playthroughs. I wasn't offended on a subsequent playthrough when she hooked up with Fenris. Are the people that hooked up with Bull outraged if in a subsequent playthrough where they romance, say, Sera, Bull and Dorian hook up?

I mean, what's the big deal on that front?

 

Your character doesn't feel as super speshul if they aren't the One True Love of their love interest. Idk, some people want to have their cake and eat it too.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

What he does in his mind has no effect on the way he acts in the open

I disagree. Thoughts motivate actions. 

 

Because it's...true?  

I know it's true. That's the problem. I'm already having a hard enough time romancing her due to this pairing Bioware did so I don't need to think about that since it makes it harder to romance her. 

 

Bah, not like Blackwall's the only one fantasizing. Given the way Josephine was staring at Bull's 'goods' in his romance scene I'm willing to bet she does more than her fair share of that herself.  

Ugh, that scene.

 

Which that just...doesn't make any sense to me. I romanced Isabella in one of my DA2 playthroughs. I wasn't offended on a subsequent playthrough when she hooked up with Fenris. Are the people that hooked up with Bull outraged if in a subsequent playthrough where they romance, say, Sera, Bull and Dorian hook up?

I mean, what's the big deal on that front?

Well, I can't speak for anyone but myself but as I have said before I can't bring myself to romance LIs that Bioware pair up with each other. Feels like I am ruining something by getting involved. 

[AresKeith]

I disagree. Thoughts motivate actions. 

 

And what does fantasizing about someone naked motivate? 

[Hair Serious Business]

Yup, and if someone were to make a poll in the Varric thread I wouldn't be surprised if Varric/Harding turned out to be a more popular ship than Varric/Inquisitor.

Varric x Harding? I approve  (Dagna...keeping for myself,crazies are my type lol)

[Andraste Take the Wheel]

And what does fantasizing about someone naked motivate? 

 

Badly timed erections. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

And what does fantasizing about someone naked motivate? 

Doing things that will get that fantasy turned into a reality for one. There are many who are nice to others to try to get into their pants. 

[Hair Serious Business]

Doing things that will get that fantasy turned into a reality for one. Or has nobody ever been helpful to another person as a way to try to get into their pants? 

Especially "Borewall" is one we are talking about...man who for who knows what time we say murdered entire innocent family!

He is shady as hell!I don't know what kind of things this guy else has done but gentleman? Nah,that he is not because true gentleman even biggest $lut and snake won't call as one(calling Vivienne snake is not very gentleman like).

Besides like or hate Vivienne she does give best judgments of person's character and she is right how BoreWall is like pup that is just begging for attention.

Then take the whole point how BoreWall sleeps with Inquisitor while pretending to be someone else? I wouldn't call that gentleman at all as well! True gentleman would decline lady no matter how much she insists if he wasn't 100% clean with her and BoreWall didn't needed much to get in bed of woman that though that he was someone else.That is low blow!

So when Cole said how BoreWall has fantasies about "naked Josie" I found that whole thing creepy and disturbing as hell,because BoreWall is definition of creepy and disturbing in equal measure!I wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be rapist in here!(not to mention part that he still has fantasies of Josie even if Inquisitor romanced her! Amazing!)

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Man, I'm sure glad mind-probing spirits like Cole don't exist in reality, because people would be accusing me of all kinds of weird sh*t if they saw what was going on in there. Privately.

[jellobell]

 

But no, I see their situations as completely different. The former was an unintentional death that was caused by self-defense. The latter was an intentional massacre that was caused by greed. And the latter doesn't try to atone for years, but just runs away. As Cassandra said, "A man who truly aspired to be righteous would not lie. He would earn respect, not steal the respect due another."

I'm not saying that the acts themselves were equivalent, only that the way it affected both of them was similar. Both were events that they came to regret deeply, and proved to be transformative for them. Both of them are people who are deeply influenced by one big regret in their pasts, and that regret comes to motivate them to tightly hold onto their own moral codes. So in that way, they're very similar. I also think that this similarity means that they'd be able to understand each other very well.

 

I disagree. Thoughts motivate actions.

Sure, in that Blackwall's attraction is motivated by both his physical attraction and his respect for her, which in turn motivates him to get to know her better. That's how falling in love usually works.

 

I know it's true. That's the problem. I'm already having a hard enough time romancing her due to this pairing Bioware did so I don't need to think about that since it makes it harder to romance her.

Welp, good luck with that. 

[AresKeith]

Especially "Borewall" is one we are talking about...man who for who knows what time we say murdered entire innocent family!

He is shady as hell!I don't know what kind of things this guy else has done but gentleman? Nah,that he is not because true gentleman even biggest $lut and snake won't call as one(calling Vivienne snake is not very gentleman like).

Besides like or hate Vivienne she does give best judgments of person's character and she is right how BoreWall is like pup that is just begging for attention.

Then take the whole point how BoreWall sleeps with Inquisitor while pretending to be someone else? I wouldn't call that gentleman at all as well! True gentleman would decline lady no matter how much she insists if he wasn't 100% clean with her and BoreWall didn't needed much to get in bed of woman that though that he was someone else.That is low blow!

So when Cole said how BoreWall has fantasies about "naked Josie" I found that whole thing creepy and disturbing as hell,because BoreWall is definition of creepy and disturbing in equal measure!I wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be rapist in here!(not to mention part that he still has fantasies of Josie even if Inquisitor romanced her! Amazing!)

 

0/10 troll harder

[Qunquistador]

 he still has fantasies of Josie even if Inquisitor romanced her! Amazing!

He does? Is this intentional or a bug? I mean you can tell he has a thing for her anyway even if she is romanced so it's funny that Cole would expose him like that. Adds to the depth of the rp. I sensed resentment during that scene about the dog and it makes sense for a quiz who has all he wants - the glory and the girl.

 

If only Bioware would ratchet up the drama and gave us a way to clash with our companions as a result of our romantic choices instead of throwing in NPC fluff for the heck of it..

[AresKeith]

He does? Is this intentional or a bug? I mean you can tell he has a thing for her anyway even if she is romanced so it's funny that Cole would expose him like that. Adds to the depth of the rp. I sensed resentment during that scene about the dog and it makes sense for a quiz who has all he wants - the glory and the girl.

 

If only Bioware would ratchet up the drama and gave us a way to clash with our companions as a result of our romantic choices instead of throwing in NPC fluff for the heck of it..

 

I remember hearing that it was bug, but it's not like someone is gonna stop having feels for someone just because they're in another relationship

[mordy_was_here]

He does? Is this intentional or a bug? 

 

It's a bug. Sheryl Chee confirmed it in the BW thread.

[Br3admax]

 

Doing things that will get that fantasy turned into a reality for one. There are many who are nice to others to try to get into their pants. 

I'm sorry, what's wrong with trying to sleep with people again? It's a basic human necessity. Guess I should stop thinking about pizza too. Don't want to exploit the milk out those cows just so I can have cheese. 

 

 

Y'all just mad Blackwall walks circles around you to get to Josephine regardless of you being with her or not. Sounds like a problem with you not setting boundaries than one with Blackwall. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

I'm not saying that the acts themselves were equivalent, only that the way it affected both of them was similar. Both were events that they came to regret deeply, and proved to be transformative for them. Both of them are people who are deeply influenced by one big regret in their pasts, and that regret comes to motivate them to tightly hold onto their own moral codes. So in that way, they're very similar. I also think that this similarity means that they'd be able to understand each other very well.

Ah, okay. I had someone else recently compare their past events as equivalent so didn't know if you were as well or not. 

 

Sure, in that Blackwall's attraction is motivated by both his physical attraction and his respect for her, which in turn motivates him to get to know her better. That's how falling in love usually works.

I never said that thoughts motivating actions was a good or bad thing, just that I disagreed that one did not influence the other. 

 

Welp, good luck with that. 

Is this a genuine good luck or not genuine? Sometimes it is hard to tell with text. 

 

Especially "Borewall" is one we are talking about...man who for who knows what time we say murdered entire innocent family!

He is shady as hell!I don't know what kind of things this guy else has done but gentleman? Nah,that he is not because true gentleman even biggest $lut and snake won't call as one(calling Vivienne snake is not very gentleman like).

Besides like or hate Vivienne she does give best judgments of person's character and she is right how BoreWall is like pup that is just begging for attention.

Then take the whole point how BoreWall sleeps with Inquisitor while pretending to be someone else? I wouldn't call that gentleman at all as well! True gentleman would decline lady no matter how much she insists if he wasn't 100% clean with her and BoreWall didn't needed much to get in bed of woman that though that he was someone else.That is low blow!

So when Cole said how BoreWall has fantasies about "naked Josie" I found that whole thing creepy and disturbing as hell,because BoreWall is definition of creepy and disturbing in equal measure!I wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be rapist in here!(not to mention part that he still has fantasies of Josie even if Inquisitor romanced her! Amazing!)

I wouldn't go as far as to call Rainier a rapist. I doubt that Bioware will make a character that is one, for which I am thankful. 

 

He does? Is this intentional or a bug? I mean you can tell he has a thing for her anyway even if she is romanced so it's funny that Cole would expose him like that. Adds to the depth of the rp. I sensed resentment during that scene about the dog and it makes sense for a quiz who has all he wants - the glory and the girl.

 

If only Bioware would ratchet up the drama and gave us a way to clash with our companions as a result of our romantic choices instead of throwing in NPC fluff for the heck of it..

It is a bug. Despite Josephine being romanced, the banter parts about Rainier's infatuation with her is still brought up but the part where you talk to him about it does not, thus making him appear like a stalker. 

 

 

I'm sorry, what's wrong with trying to sleep with people again? It's a basic human necessity. Guess I should stop thinking about pizza too. Don't want to exploit the milk out those cows just so I can have cheese. 

I was just answering a question someone else asked me, and there was no judgement in that post. No need to be snippy. 

 

 

Y'all just mad Blackwall walks circles around you to get to Josephine regardless of you being with her or not. Sounds like a problem with you not setting boundaries than one with Blackwall. 

What?

[Br3admax]

Yes. And what's wrong with that? Wanting to sleep with someone doesn't stop you from being "gentlemanly" either. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yes. And what's wrong with that? Wanting to sleep with someone doesn't stop you from being "gentlemanly" either. 

Did I ever say there was anything wrong with it? I just said people do it.

 

As for the it being gentlemanly, we'll have to agree to disagree. 

[jellobell]

Is this a genuine good luck or not genuine? Sometimes it is hard to tell with text.

A little bit of both, I guess. It would suck for you to not be able to enjoy a romance that you seem really genuinely into, and my heart goes out to you. But these are also fictional characters. Blackwall is never gonna get with Josephine if you do the romance with her. In your version of the Inquisition universe, that relationship would simply never happen. Thinking about fictional "what if?" scenarios in an already-fictional universe is just overthinking things.

[Qunquistador]

I remember hearing that it was bug, but it's not like someone is gonna stop having feels for someone just because they're in another relationship

Ah, okay. And definitely. It's only realistic, which is why I'd think it was cool if it wasn't a bug.

 

 

Y'all just mad Blackwall walks circles around you to get to Josephine regardless of you being with her or not. Sounds like a problem with you not setting boundaries than one with Blackwall. 

 

  Blackwall's boundaries start and end in the Anderfels.

 

While in Skyhold, he's free to fantasize about whatever he wants in the comfort of my barn with his griffon action figure and his right hand to keep him company.